The fix is in, Rittenhouse case...

[ProfX]

The only point I made, and it has not been refuted, is the AR-15 has been used in a number of high profile mass shootings in this country.

We are talking about perceptions here. Forgive my abbreviations, we all know what names I'm shortening. Saves typing.

You bring up how Ri. may have perceived Ro., G, and H. Threats to his life.

I'm just saying that people in that crowd did not know Ri. from Adam. He may have been the world's sweetest choir boy and boy scout. No one knew who he was.

What they saw was a young, callow kid open-toting a weapon that has been used several times in high profile mass shootings. And clearly looked too young to know how to handle it safely. And several testified he appeared to be pointing it at people in the crowd.

I think it highly rational some folks thought he needed to be disarmed. Sadly, two paid with their lives, one with what I think is still some permanent injury.

Unfortunately, while I appreciate Ri. too understands Lin Wood is insane, he doesn't seem to get that is also true about Jack Pob. I thought he was less willing to be used by these people than Nick Sandmann. I was wrong.

[carmenjonze]

One instance. One cop. Therefore all cops do it. Not a good analytic methodology.

Even if your attempts to minimize this issue were based in reality, one instance is too many.

One cop is too many.

There is no upper limit to you guys' insatiable bloodlust to see unarmed nonwhites and others racially profiled and killed by state actors.

[carmenjonze]

Shouldn’t have tried to take the gun.

How dare a nigger-lover take the killing machine from the conservative white male.

How very dare he

https://youtu.be/jKHq-mAEQlU

[Glennfs]

And Rittenhouse's actions weren't a threat to life?

Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a liberal rally
One was a pedophile
One was a violent criminal
One pulled a gun on him

Imagine that 3 random people at a liberal rally
Pedophile, violent criminal, and a guy packing.
What are the odds
Hmmmmm

[carmenjonze]

Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a liberal rally
One was a pedophile

Irrelevant

One was a violent criminal

Irrelevant

One pulled a gun on him

Just another nigger-lover.

Imagine that 3 random people at a liberal rally
Pedophile, violent criminal, and a guy packing.
What are the odds
Hmmmmm

Your party is lead by a pedophile, and you happily vote for it.

You yourself are a child rapist.

[carmenjonze]

Yes, I understand this far more than you do. That's why I think police unions should be dissolved completely. They abuse the arbitration clause of contracts, and use "Qualified Immunity" so they suffer no consequences, even if they murder.

Check this crap out.

As I have been saying for many years around here, it's not just African Americans who are targets.
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Christian Contreras
7h ·

Today, we were victorious in conclusively beating qualified immunity in the Anthony Vargas civil rights case. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed Defendants Rojas’, Perez’s and County of Los Angeles’ qualified immunity interlocutory appeal. I wrote and filed the answering brief under the guidance of Humberto Guizar.

As many of you know, qualified immunity is the biggest impediment in a civil rights case. In the Vargas case, Humberto and I filed and opposed at least seventeen (17) different motions. It has been a war. However, through this litigation, we have proven the existence of deputy gangs. The federal judge in our case even stated in an order that we established the existence of the Banditos in the East Los Angeles Sheriff’s station. There is simply no justification for shooting an innocent unarmed young man ten (10) times in the back, two (2) times in the back of the head, and one (1) time in the arm. The murder of Anthony Vargas was a gang initiation shooting.

Now, we are ready to proceed to trial. With Humberto as lead trial counsel and the support of our community, we are ready for the final battle in trial. #SayHisName #AnthonyVargas #CivilRights

https://www.facebook.com/christian.cont ... 4751456388

[ProfX]

Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a liberal rally
One was a pedophile
One was a violent criminal
One pulled a gun on him

Imagine that 3 random people at a liberal rally
Pedophile, violent criminal, and a guy packing.
What are the odds
Hmmmmm

This is you doing your obvious trolling. BTW, it's not funny. You're implying that liberals are all pedophiles and violent criminals.

Look, Ro. may have got nailed on statutory for having sex with a 15 year old girl that consented, the law says there consent is impossible. But "pedophile" makes it sound like he had a long history of child <14 rape.

I do not know the circumstances, looks like H. as a young man attacked two of his siblings. Haven't seen additional details yet. Did his brother and sister hang him outside a window before this happened? No context given. But "violent criminal" makes it sound like he had a lifelong history of mugging people. C'mon. Cut this crap out.

Neither was there at the rally to trawl for kiddies or commit violent crime, but to protest injustice. There may have been criminal activity going on that night, but they were not doing it.

The guy "packing" is a strong 2nd amendment supporter. Thought your "side" liked that. He really did have a pistol to, you know, defend himself and never brandished it or pointed it at anybody, kept in holster until ... he encountered someone far more heavily armed.

[Ted]

Are you for some sort of gun control? Any sort of gun control?

Not really because almost none of the proposed gun control laws will have any real impact on gun crime.

Do you have some specific proposals you would like to get my thoughts on?

[gounion]

Not really because almost none of the proposed gun control laws will have any real impact on gun crime.

If that's true why do nations with better gun laws have much less gun crime? I mean the "criminals won't follow the law, so why have laws" logic really doesn't make sense, does it?

Do you have some specific proposals you would like to get my thoughts on?

So you support complete and total open carry everywhere, at any time? What about "Stand Your Ground" laws?

[ProfX]

Sigh. For those interested, there's data that says otherwise.



Source is JAMA - journal of American Medical Association.

To understand the legend, the deeper the color of the state, the higher the gun mortality rate per cap.
(Now I will grant maybe some of that is not per se "gun crime" could include people shooting their kids by mistake)
The more "0"s the stricter the gun laws, with "0000" being the strictest.

[ProfX]

If that's true why do nations with better gun laws have much less gun crime? I mean the "criminals won't follow the law, so why have laws" logic really doesn't make sense, does it?

Only law-abiding people stop at red lights. The scofflaws will just run right through them. So, we shouldn't have them. Likewise stop signs and speed limits.

Why have laws making it illegal to own or make bombs? Only the law-abiding people will be prevented from making them.

Alright, I'm sorry, I admit I went too quick into reductio ad absurdum territory on the last one.

[gounion]

Only law-abiding people stop at red lights. The scofflaws will just run right through them. So, we shouldn't have them. Likewise stop signs and speed limits.

Why have laws making it illegal to own or make bombs? Only the law-abiding people will be prevented from making them.

Alright, I'm sorry, I admit I went to quick into reductio ad absurdum territory on the last one.

You really didn't. If C-4 and detonators were available at Walmart, of course there would be lots of bombings. The fact that they are difficult to purchase and the penalties for having them are steep is why you don't have many bombings.

But I'm interested in hearing Ted's take on it.

[carmenjonze]

Only law-abiding people stop at red lights. The scofflaws will just run right through them. So, we shouldn't have them. Likewise stop signs and speed limits.

Why have laws making it illegal to own or make bombs? Only the law-abiding people will be prevented from making them.

Alright, I'm sorry, I admit I went too quick into reductio ad absurdum territory on the last one.

The gubbamint is making me wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle so in case I get in an accident nobody will have to pick my brains up off the ground!

This is TYRANNY!

It's MY RIGHT to feel the wind in my hair!

[gounion]

One instance. One cop. Therefore all cops do it. Not a good analytic methodology.

Cop in Tuscon shoots a man in a wheelchair nine times, murdering him.

No big deal, right?

[carmenjonze]

Cop in Tuscon shoots a man in a wheelchair nine times, murdering him.

No big deal, right?

Shot in the back, in a wheelchair, over some alleged, stupid toolbox.

Everyone brace yourselves for the inevitable, five-word magic incantation, "I feared for my life!!!" How many disabled persons are among those abused and murdered by these people.

Yes, the cons are vindicated by this. That video is porn for them.

[marindem01]

One was a pedophile

Post your proof. You have written this before without proof. Post your fucking proof.

[bradman]

The only point I made, and it has not been refuted, is the AR-15 has been used in a number of high profile mass shootings in this country.

We are talking about perceptions here. Forgive my abbreviations, we all know what names I'm shortening. Saves typing.

You bring up how Ri. may have perceived Ro., G, and H. Threats to his life.

I'm just saying that people in that crowd did not know Ri. from Adam. He may have been the world's sweetest choir boy and boy scout. No one knew who he was.

What they saw was a young, callow kid open-toting a weapon that has been used several times in high profile mass shootings. And clearly looked too young to know how to handle it safely. And several testified he appeared to be pointing it at people in the crowd.

I think it highly rational some folks thought he needed to be disarmed. Sadly, two paid with their lives, one with what I think is still some permanent injury.

Unfortunately, while I appreciate Ri. too understands Lin Wood is insane, he doesn't seem to get that is also true about Jack Pob. I thought he was less willing to be used by these people than Nick Sandmann. I was wrong.

[bold] i keep reading that. It kinda makes it sound like witnesses testified that Rittenhouse had been pointing the gun at demonstrators thru out the night. When in fact, it sounds like the only "gun pointing" Rittenhouse did started from a grainy drone footage clip that only started when Rosenbaum confronted Rittenhouse on the corner of the used car lot.


https://www.npr.org/2021/11/19/10574223 ... -to-acquit

Prosecutors attempted to convince jurors that Rittenhouse had provoked the encounter with Rosenbaum, which would have undercut his self-defense claim. But the interaction they described as Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at other people before the chase was captured only by a single drone video, filmed from over a block away, in which Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum are tiny and distant.

Another video that captured Rittenhouse's encounter with Huber and Grosskreutz was analyzed frame by frame during the trial. Defense attorneys and prosecutors urged jurors to draw opposite conclusions from it — including, crucially, whether Grosskreutz had pointed his pistol at Rittenhouse before being shot.

"The state has to prove that Kyle Rittenhouse provoked the attack by proof beyond a reasonable doubt. And so, the question is: If everyone in that courtroom is still not sure, if the judge wasn't sure, then how are 12 jurors going to be sure?" said Kim.

On the stand, or off the stand, i have yet to find anything about witnesses saying Rittenhouse had been pointing the gun at demonstrators thru out the night.

[carmenjonze]

[bold] i keep reading that. It kinda makes it sound like witnesses testified that Rittenhouse had been pointing the gun at demonstrators thru out the night. When in fact, it sounds like the only "gun pointing" Rittenhouse did started from a grainy drone footage clip that only started when Rosenbaum confronted Rittenhouse on the corner of the used car lot.


https://www.npr.org/2021/11/19/10574223 ... -to-acquit


On the stand, or off the stand, i have yet to find anything about witnesses saying Rittenhouse had been pointing the gun at demonstrators thru out the night.

This stupid little nazi murdered two people and almost a third.

How dare anybody protest the cops shooting somebody in the back and paralyzing them!

[carmenjonze]

Not really because almost none of the proposed gun control laws will have any real impact on gun crime.

[bradman]

The weapon in question was a straw purchase. Rittenhouse's Mother drove him to demonstration. He fired into the crowd with the intent to commit bodily harm. He claimed he was a medic, but carried no medical bag, or displayed a badge identifying himself as a medic.

Rittenhouse did not live in the community. He was carrying a live weapon. He murdered two men in cold blood. Those are the facts.

A few things, Rittenhouse's mother did not drive him to the demonstration. He really didn't "fire into a crowd" but fired at certain individuals. Rittenhouse had been involved with the Explorer Program and had received rudimentary first aid training. He was carrying a medical bag that can be seen strapped to the side of his torso in many videos. And, while he didn't have a badge, he can be seen offering first aid to anyone injured.

[bold] Which is surreal in and of itself. At one point Rittenhouse can be seen, alone, within a crowd of demonstrators offering first aid to anyone that may have needed it. Talk about a wtf moment. The demonstrators are looking at, and commenting to, Rittenhouse like he was from outer space.

[carmenjonze]

A few things, Rittenhouse's mother did not drive him to the demonstration. He really didn't "fire into a crowd" but fired at certain individuals. Rittenhouse had been involved with the Explorer Program and had received rudimentary first aid training. He was carrying a medical bag that can be seen strapped to the side of his torso in many videos. And, while he didn't have a badge, he can be seen offering first aid to anyone injured.

Who tf is this WN to be offering first aid to anyone, and what are you so defensive about?

Both questions are purely rhetorical.

[bold] Which is surreal in and of itself. At one point Rittenhouse can be seen, alone, within a crowd of demonstrators offering first aid to anyone that may have needed it. Talk about a wtf moment. The demonstrators are looking at, and commenting to, Rittenhouse like he was from outer space.

There's nothing surreal about a WN going to kill the nigger-lovers, which is what he did. It's been a rightwing fever dream since the 1960s.

By the way, the cops gave this dirty little neonazi water and comfort.

[Ted]

If that's true why do nations with better gun laws have much less gun crime? I mean the "criminals won't follow the law, so why have laws" logic really doesn't make sense, does it?

So you support complete and total open carry everywhere, at any time? What about "Stand Your Ground" laws?

Let me know what you mean by better gun laws.

No - I do not support complete and total open carry everywhere, at any time.

On Stand Your Ground laws - I believe that if someone is attacked then they should be able to defend themselves without first having to retreat. I also believe that if a person is going to carry a firearm then it is their responsibility to know the pertinent laws inside and out before doing so.

[gounion]

Let me know what you mean by better gun laws.

No - I do not support complete and total open carry everywhere, at any time.

On Stand Your Ground laws - I believe that if someone is attacked then they should be able to defend themselves without first having to retreat. I also believe that if a person is going to carry a firearm then it is their responsibility to know the pertinent laws inside and out before doing so.

Well, for instance, any criminal can go to a gun show and legally buy a gun, no background check needed.

Why shouldn’t you have a duty to walk away? Do you think if someone attacks you, that’s an automatic death sentence for them? What about if you accidentally run someone off the road, and they get out of their car mad as hell? You then have the right to blow them away?

Gun laws seem to work just fine in every other country on earth. Why can they not work here?

[bengal59]

Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a liberal rally
One was a pedophile
One was a violent criminal
One pulled a gun on him

Imagine that 3 random people at a liberal rally
Pedophile, violent criminal, and a guy packing.
What are the odds
Hmmmmm

Then I guess you would have no problem if somebody splattered Matt Gaetz's brains all over the place at a rally, since he sex traffics teenage girls! Incidentally I am not advocating this, before your head explodes with feigned rage!

[Libertas]

Then I guess you would have no problem if somebody splattered Matt Gaetz's brains all over the place at a rally, since he sex traffics teenage girls! Incidentally I am not advocating this, before your head explodes with feigned rage!

Yeah, imagine their reaction if the story was Biden knowingly went to the debate to expose trump to the virus. Imagine the OUTRAGE they would experience.

Rule is cons can do anything, at all. Libs or dems cant even wear a tan suit or suggest water is healthy for kids.