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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:08 pm I posted a govt study somewhere that has the data.
Link?
We have other posters with idiotic views of the police. Wasn’t targeting you. Just the data inadequacy.
You are the most dishonest person on this board.

You join the other cons around here with the idiotic views of the police.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:19 pm You can't respond. You couldn't actually rebut what I wrote.

So how many murders do you want BEFORE the police are a threat to black people?
There is no upper limit for conservative whites, because there never has been.
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carmenjonze wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:21 pm Link?



You are the most dishonest person on this board.

You join the other cons around here with the idiotic views of the police.
Pretend democrat who is a liar and sides with the cons on ALL issues says what?

I wont respond to them, none of them, they do not deserve to be acknowledged as human beings. Because of the Prof and for NO other reason, and because he cautioned and corrected me NOT to use words like "filth" when referring to any human being, due to what happened to the Jewish people and others in WWII, I dont do it, and because I cant call them what I want to call them, I simply wont talk to them EVER.

But I can refuse to acknowledge them and I do.
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ProfX wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:04 pm Source?



a) "many" is a vague, unqualified descriptor.
b) source?

I wasn't making any inferences. I was presenting data. You drew what inferences you chose to draw from it.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cbpp18st.pdf
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:13 pm Like George Floyd was suicide by cop?

When cops escalate instead of de-escalate, is it then unavoidable?

Cops do what they WANT to do, because they know their unions will get them off, no matter WHAT they do.

Since the entire group works together to keep murderers from being held accountable, the entire group is responsible.

So tell me how the Police weren't a threat to kill George Floyd. All the cops on the scene worked together to make it happen, without remorse, in front of a large public who was videotaping them. Didn't bother them at all.

What about the cops that pepper-sprayed Army Lt. Caron Nazario, as well as pointing a gun at him and threatened to murder him? Were they a threat to kill people?
I watched the Floyd video. The police really wanted him to simply get in the patrol car. Bystanders wanted him to get in the patrol car. He didn’t get in the patrol car. The police didn’t show up hoping to kill him. A piss poor cop showed up later and killed him. And that cop is in jail.

Again, isolated incidents and you paint all police and police unions as racist killers. But 60,000,000 interactions with civilians and 698 fatalities (profx number) says police are not a threat.
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Thanks.

[from your source]
A higher percentage of blacks (4%) and Hispanics (3%) than whites (2%) or other races (2%) experienced threats or use of force.

[snip]

ƒƒFour percent of blacks and 4% of Hispanics reported being handcuffed during their most recent contact with police, compared to 2% of whites and 2% of other races.

[snip]

In 2018, blacks and Hispanics (5% each) were more likely than whites (2%) or persons of other races (2%) to experience at least one type of force during their most recent contact with police.

[snip][end]

Interesting and statistically significant findings.
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Libertas wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:54 pm Pretend democrat who is a liar and sides with the cons on ALL issues says what?

I wont respond to them, none of them, they do not deserve to be acknowledged as human beings. Because of the Prof and for NO other reason, and because he cautioned and corrected me NOT to use words like "filth" when referring to any human being, due to what happened to the Jewish people and others in WWII, I dont do it, and because I cant call them what I want to call them, I simply wont talk to them EVER.

But I can refuse to acknowledge them and I do.
Conservatives are not filth.

But they are dirty, dirty people. They can remedy that condition but they refuse.

So f'em.
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sam lefthand wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:56 pm Image
Creators Syndicate is packed to the gills with rightwing nutjobs.

This cartoon will make more sense when police stop allowing their members to run around as vigiantes with guns and badges.

Sadly, we have a terrible history of that in this country.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:34 pm I watched the Floyd video.
Porn for you.
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Libertas wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:54 pm Pretend democrat who is a liar and sides with the cons on ALL issues says what?

I wont respond to them, none of them, they do not deserve to be acknowledged as human beings.
Well, they do in my book, because they are human beings. Their problem is, as supremacists, these conservative elitists think they're above the rest of humanity and deserving of special rights über Alles. Plus, they choose to live and behave the way they do and are perfectly capable as anyone else of choosing to be regular people instead of entitled supremacists. They're nothing special.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:34 pm I watched the Floyd video. The police really wanted him to simply get in the patrol car. Bystanders wanted him to get in the patrol car. He didn’t get in the patrol car. The police didn’t show up hoping to kill him. A piss poor cop showed up later and killed him. And that cop is in jail.

Again, isolated incidents and you paint all police and police unions as racist killers. But 60,000,000 interactions with civilians and 698 fatalities (profx number) says police are not a threat.
One bad cop? What about the others that stood there and kept the public at bay while he did it? That's FIVE bad cops.

Again, you argue for the status quo, because you're a entitled white guy, who wants to be sure to be safe from criminal blacks. So, you defend whatever the cops do.

Why isn't the cop that murdered Philandro Castile in jail?
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:34 pm I watched the Floyd video. The police really wanted him to simply get in the patrol car. Bystanders wanted him to get in the patrol car. He didn’t get in the patrol car. The police didn’t show up hoping to kill him. A piss poor cop showed up later and killed him. And that cop is in jail.

Again, isolated incidents and you paint all police and police unions as racist killers. But 60,000,000 interactions with civilians and 698 fatalities (profx number) says police are not a threat.
The cop that showed up was a FTO. When asked by one of the other cops if Floyd should be turned on his side, he was over ruled by the FTO. Up until that time, the first 2 officers that had originally responded to the call were trying to de-escalate. It's why they originally let Floyd go to a sitting position up against the wall. From there they tried nursing him into the car. That's when the FTO showed up and things went south.
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carmenjonze wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:02 pm Creators Syndicate is packed to the gills with rightwing nutjobs.
Oh really.

:roll:

Creators Syndicate is a site I used to keep bookmarked, it was where I would go to see my Molly Ivins.

It is true they are a syndicate, they're in business for business, they will host anyone who is good enough to need to be syndicated, some of them are right wing, and as I recall from the past some of them are also Jim Hightower.

:)

This is their featured opinion column for today:

A Georgia Jury Correctly Draws the Line on Stand-your-Ground Rights
By Daily Editorials

https://www.creators.com/read/daily-edi ... und-rights

:lol:

Hmm, I wonder what that is all about.
The multiple guilty verdicts last Wednesday against three white Georgia men who cornered and murdered a Black jogger marked a refreshing turn of justice. A jury drew a much-needed line between stand-your-ground laws and gun-carrying vigilantes who have been emboldened to go on human hunting sprees. The nearly all-white jury decided that spurious assertions of self-defense and false allegations of hostile intent by the victim, Ahmaud Arbery, were no excuse for the reckless actions of defendants Travis McMichael and his father, Gregory McMichael, and their neighbor, William Bryan.

That's how the system is supposed to work every time. Unfortunately, the results too often lead to disappointment for Americans who want to see punishment for vigilantes who go out with guns looking for trouble and wind up killing people without justification. Long before the Nov. 20 not-guilty verdict for teenage vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse in Wisconsin, there was George Zimmerman in 2012. He stalked Black teenager Trayvon Martin on a Florida street, confronted the unarmed boy without justification, then killed him. Zimmerman and Rittenhouse inserted themselves into dangerous confrontations without cause, then convinced jurors that self-defense was their only way to get out alive.
Anyway that's what came off the top today. But I'm quite sure they handle the accounts of some right wingers as well.

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sam lefthand wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:50 am
Packed to the rafters with some of the very worst rightwing nutjobs, like the author of that dumb cartoon.

https://www.creators.com/categories/opinion/all
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carmenjonze wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:12 pmPorn for you.
I see con is justifying that murder.
I sigh in your general direction.
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carmenjonze wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:20 pm Well, they do in my book, because they are human beings. Their problem is, as supremacists, these conservative elitists think they're above the rest of humanity and deserving of special rights über Alles. Plus, they choose to live and behave the way they do and are perfectly capable as anyone else of choosing to be regular people instead of entitled supremacists. They're nothing special.
You are right about that.

So I guess what I meant was yes I do have to acknowledge they are humans, but I dont have to talk to them or make eye contact or anything. Ever again.
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Libertas wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:16 am You are right about that.

So I guess what I meant was yes I do have to acknowledge they are humans, but I dont have to talk to them or make eye contact or anything. Ever again.
That's about how I feel. I've got nothing in common with these people except our shared humanity.

The feeling is not mutual towards us, believe that.
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bradman wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:46 am The cop that showed up was a FTO. When asked by one of the other cops if Floyd should be turned on his side, he was over ruled by the FTO. Up until that time, the first 2 officers that had originally responded to the call were trying to de-escalate. It's why they originally let Floyd go to a sitting position up against the wall. From there they tried nursing him into the car. That's when the FTO showed up and things went south.
You know better than that. All cops involved were racist killers salivating at the opportunity to kill a black man.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:15 pm You know better than that. All cops involved were racist killers salivating at the opportunity to kill a black man.
They sure stood by while Chauvin murdered him, didn't they?

And why did the cop murder Philandro Castile? Did he have just cause? Yes or no?

And why did he go free?

questions you run away from. Gutless.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:18 pm They sure stood by while Chauvin murdered him, didn't they?

And why did the cop murder Philandro Castile? Did he have just cause? Yes or no?

And why did he go free?


questions you run away from. Gutless.
[bold] Murder means premeditation. Yanez did not plan on shooting Castile that day.

The best i can tell ya, Yanez should never have been a cop. And i'd be willing to bet ya his training records show it.
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bradman wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:06 pm [bold] Murder means premeditation. Yanez did not plan on shooting Castile that day.

The best i can tell ya, Yanez should never have been a cop. And i'd be willing to bet ya his training records show it.
Training, schmaining.

The minute you start dealing realistically with the white-supremacist and anti-Black, anti-Latino-, anti-Native elements in law enforcement, maybe it will be time to consider your views on who should and should not be an officer of the law.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:18 pm They sure stood by while Chauvin murdered him, didn't they?

And why did the cop murder Philandro Castile? Did he have just cause? Yes or no?

And why did he go free?

questions you run away from. Gutless.
He had just cause and should have gotten off, according to people like bradman.

"He should never have been a cop" is a cop-out. He was a cop who murdered a guy he pointlessly forced into a no-win position, bradman is quite fine with it, and he'll make every excuse in the world possible to rationalize Philando Castile's final outcome.
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bradman wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:06 pm [bold] Murder means premeditation.
Only if you are charged with 1st degree.
If you do it "in the heat of passion and rage" it's 2nd degree.
If you kill someone without perhaps meaning to ... but in a way that was so terribly reckless you had to know it clearly could have ended their life ... 3rd degree.

Best example, you drive down a street you KNOW is full of kids leaving school going 200 MPH and kill 5 of them. Did you MEAN to? Maybe not, but you HAD to be aware you COULD and very likely WOULD.
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ProfX wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:20 pm Only if you are charged with 1st degree.
If you do it "in the heat of passion and rage" it's 2nd degree.
If you kill someone without perhaps meaning to ... but in a way that was so terribly reckless you had to know it clearly could have ended their life ... 3rd degree.


Best example, you drive down a street you KNOW is full of kids leaving school going 200 MPH and kill 5 of them. Did you MEAN to? Maybe not, but you HAD to be aware you COULD and very likely WOULD.
[bold]And that's what they couldn't prove in Yanez's case.

And yes, i get your final point. He was a cop and we should expect more from a cop. i would have been fine with manslaughter.
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