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Detroit police investigating after shooting injures 1 at repass on city’s east side
....Upon arrival, the scene was marked by yellow markers, scattered throughout the area, indicating gunshots fired.

The violence did not confine itself to the parking lot, as a related shootout ensued around the corner. Following the initial shooting, individuals involved in the incident engaged in a vehicle chase, exchanging gunfire along the way.

Inside the VFW hall, a repass was taking place, and as attendees were leaving to go to their cars, multiple shots were fired, striking one.......
3 killed, 1 wounded in Philadelphia shooting; 2 in custody
Two teenagers have been charged with firearms and related offenses following the slaying of three people and the wounding of a fourth person at a northeast Philadelphia home, authorities said.

Lt. John Stanford told reporters that officers called to the residence in the Lawncrest neighborhood shortly after 3:30 p.m. Friday found one person shot on the sidewalk, another on the porch and a third victim inside the home. All three were pronounced dead at the scene.....
11 injured, most from gunfire, amid chaos surrounding South Carolina park party
At least 11 people were injured, nine by gunfire, in the early morning hours Saturday at a party held at a Columbia, South Carolina park, authorities said.

Deputies responded at about 1:30 a.m. Saturday morning and found "dozens of shell casings of multiple calibers," the Richland County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. Few people were still there when deputies arrived, the statement said, but they began receiving reports of injured people at hospitals nearby.

"In all, 11 people were hurt in the incident, nine with varying injuries from gunfire, one struck by a vehicle and one with a hand injury," the statement said.

The victims were between 16 and 20 years old.......
9 teenagers injured in shooting at prom after-party in Texas
Gunfire at a huge prom after-party at a home in Texas injured nine teenagers, and a second shooting in a nearby city is being investigated for a possible connection, officials said.

Sheriff's deputies in Jasper County, in East Texas, arrived in the wee hours of Sunday at a home where about 250 people were partying, authorities said. They found nine victims with gunshot wounds that didn't appear to be life-threatening, according to a statement by the Jasper County Sheriff’s Office.......
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gounion wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:14 pm So, you have NO solution. Let’m all die. Guns are far more important that children. That’s what it sounds like to me.
And once again you demonstrate that you have zero ability for a civil back and forth.
The main problem with so called gun control is the left will not be satisfied until all guns are banned.
But, done so in a manner where they can innocently say we didn't ban guns. Like the way they have defacto banned gun stores in San Francisco.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:53 am And once again you demonstrate that you have zero ability for a civil back and forth.
The main problem with so called gun control is the left will not be satisfied until all guns are banned.
But, done so in a manner where they can innocently say we didn't ban guns. Like the way they have defacto banned gun stores in San Francisco.
A civil back and forth? Why don't you go try have a civil back and forth with the family in Texas? Tell them this is the future of our nation?

You GOT your way, Glenn. The nation is awash in guns. You tell us we MUST allow not only everyone that wants one to have AR-15s, but that they must be able to openly carry them everywhere (well, except for the NRA Convention floor. No guns allowed there!

I ask for your solution. Your conservative solution is that there's no solution. This is the USA from now on.

Well, we have the conservative world. 4,375 dead children last year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fixEDRUZlw

Children Killing Children whats this all about?
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'Zero' leads on Texas shooting suspect's whereabouts; reward increased; witness describes mass killing: Updates
During a brief news conference Sunday afternoon, authorities say they have "zero" leads on Oropeza.

"We do not know where he is. We do not have any tips on where he may be," James Smith, FBI Houston Special Agent in Charge told reporters, adding that authorities are uncertain if the suspect is even still in the area.....

....San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told reporters that officers are going door-to-door looking for information. He hopes those who may have any ideas about Oropeza will be incentivized by an increased $80,000 reward......
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Greg Abbott's Tweet about the 5 killed in Texas.
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I’ve announced a $50K reward for info on the criminal who killed 5 illegal immigrants Friday. Also directed #OperationLoneStar to be on the lookout.

I continue working with state & local officials to ensure all available resources are deployed to respond.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:53 am And once again you demonstrate that you have zero ability for a civil back and forth.
The main problem with so called gun control is the left will not be satisfied until all guns are banned.
But, done so in a manner where they can innocently say we didn't ban guns. Like the way they have defacto banned gun stores in San Francisco.
I'm on the left, I don't think guns should be banned.

In fact, I've found very few who advocate such a thing. It's never been an either/or situation.

Clearly the populous can't handle the responsibility that comes with AR15s and the like. And yes, few do spoil it for the rest. It's a common thing. Considering the death and destruction with the use of guns, it just seems stupid to not try and fix the problem. It is an issue that can be improved, there I just needs to be a will to do it and an acceptance that the overwhelming majority needs to stop kowtowing the small minority of small dicked men.
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Toonces wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:23 pm I'm on the left, I don't think guns should be banned.

In fact, I've found very few who advocate such a thing. It's never been an either/or situation.

Clearly the populous can't handle the responsibility that comes with AR15s and the like. And yes, few do spoil it for the rest. It's a common thing. Considering the death and destruction with the use of guns, it just seems stupid to not try and fix the problem. It is an issue that can be improved, there I just needs to be a will to do it and an acceptance that the overwhelming majority needs to stop kowtowing the small minority of small dicked men.
I, too, an on the left and I don't think guns should be banned. I don't know why anyone would need an AR-15-style weapon or a hand gun that can be converted to shoot 15 rounds in about three seconds for protection.

I say let's agree that people can own traditional hunting rifles that hold only a handful of bullets or double-barreled shotguns. As for hand guns, they should be limited as to who can own and use them. Before anyone can purchase a hand gun or rifle, they have to pay for and go through a more thorough background check, take a pay for and take psyche profile test to see if they pose a danger to themselves or others, be require to have and use gun locks and gun safes in their homes, register all their weapons with the local police, if they move from one city or town they have to re-register their weapon(s) with the local police and pay for and a psyche test and a more through background check. In addition, they must carry liability insurance for each weapon they own just like they have to do to own/operate a car.
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Number6 wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:06 pm I, too, an on the left and I don't think guns should be banned. I don't know why anyone would need an AR-15-style weapon or a hand gun that can be converted to shoot 15 rounds in about three seconds for protection.

I say let's agree that people can own traditional hunting rifles that hold only a handful of bullets or double-barreled shotguns. As for hand guns, they should be limited as to who can own and use them. Before anyone can purchase a hand gun or rifle, they have to pay for and go through a more thorough background check, take a pay for and take psyche profile test to see if they pose a danger to themselves or others, be require to have and use gun locks and gun safes in their homes, register all their weapons with the local police, if they move from one city or town they have to re-register their weapon(s) with the local police and pay for and a psyche test and a more through background check. In addition, they must carry liability insurance for each weapon they own just like they have to do to own/operate a car.
I think that some limitations on assault weapons might be possible. I don’t think a “ban” will be effective as there are already a large number of these weapons in circulation. Plus, of the total deaths by firearms in this country, I would bet that assault weapons are not as large a percentage as you think. I would bet that most deaths are caused by handguns. So banning assault weapons won’t give you the bang for the buck you expect.

As for handguns, better background checks might work. Red flag laws might work. I would hope we could get away from constitutional carry as I think carrying a weapon in public or in a vehicle should require a permit and training. I would limit mag sizes to 15 rounds as many weapons have a 15 round standard and there are hundreds of thousands of them in circulation. Above 15 rounds should require a special permit or be illegal. I don’t believe you will be able to pass laws that require a long waiting period or storage requirements. If you did I don’t think they will pass muster constitutionally at the Federal level.

For a law to be successful, it will have to be bipartisan and supported at the state and local level. Otherwise it will be unenforceable. Mayors and Governors will just ignore the law and creat sanctuary cities and states.

That’s just an opinion.
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2 killed, 4 wounded in Mississippi shooting; man arrested
Police have charged a 19-year-old man with killing two teenagers and wounding four others in an early Sunday shooting at a house party on the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

Cameron Everest Brand of Pass Christian is charged with murder and aggravated assault, jail records show. Bay St. Louis Police Chief Toby Schwartz said in a news release that police identified Brand as the sole shooter through witness and victim statements.

....Students had gathered for a party at the home on a sparsely populated road after Bay High School’s prom. Local news outlets reported that trails of blood could be seen on the pavement Sunday outside the home, while cars were peppered with bullet holes. The home is less than a mile from Bay High.

Police said the six victims wounded by gunfire ranged in age from 15 to 18. All were taken to area hospitals, some by helicopter.

Both of the teens who died had attended nearby Hancock High School in Kiln, officials in that school district said. Two more Hancock High students were shot and wounded, as were two students from Bay High. Those are the only two public high schools in Hancock County, on the western end of the Mississippi Gulf Coast between New Orleans and Gulfport.......
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What the FUCK are Texas cops good for? I mean, they wouldn't protect children in Uvalde, and can't find this guy who used his Texas-worshipped AR-15 to wipe a family out because they asked him to stop shooting in his yard because their baby needed to sleep.

After all, Texas is where you can shoot your AR-15 off anywhere you want, right? That's what gun rights are all about, right?

And neither Glenn nor Joe gives us ANY possible solutions. Just more and more children dead every damned year. Via WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -shooting/
The killings marked at least the seventh incident this month in which an armed American shot others in response to otherwise unremarkable encounters. Among them, an 84-year-old man allegedly shot a teenager who accidentally knocked on the wrong door in Kansas City. In Upstate New York, a man allegedly killed a 20-year-old woman who was in a car that mistakenly pulled into his driveway. And in South Florida, someone shot a delivery driver and his girlfriend when they came to the wrong address.
You know, there used to be hope in America. Hope for a better day. But the Republicans rule, and they themselves admit that they don't want any hope for anyone. All they want are more guns.
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gounion wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:50 am What the FUCK are Texas cops good for? I mean, they wouldn't protect children in Uvalde, and can't find this guy who used his Texas-worshipped AR-15 to wipe a family out because they asked him to stop shooting in his yard because their baby needed to sleep.

After all, Texas is where you can shoot your AR-15 off anywhere you want, right? That's what gun rights are all about, right?

And neither Glenn nor Joe gives us ANY possible solutions. Just more and more children dead every damned year. Via WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -shooting/



You know, there used to be hope in America. Hope for a better day. But the Republicans rule, and they themselves admit that they don't want any hope for anyone. All they want are more guns.
Maybe we should start enforcing the laws already on the books
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 2:21 pm Maybe we should start enforcing the laws already on the books
Can't do that with Texas judges. The more guns, the merrier!

Let the kids die. I'm surprised by how conservatives do things these days. More open carry, more "stand your ground".

Hell, that may be the defense if they catch this guy in Texas. "They wanted me to stop shooting and I stood my ground!"
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Glennfs wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 2:21 pm Maybe we should start enforcing the laws already on the books
I'm curious. What laws were not being enforced what what happened in Uvalde?

What other statutes are law enforcement ignoring that would have prevented Nashville? Stoneman Douglas? Santa Fe? Las Vegas? Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Anyone is welcome to answer this question. I've heard the "they just need to enforce current laws" point before. Yet, I'm also told that some of them bought their guns legally. Can these things both be true? It seems unlikely.
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Toonces wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:26 pm I'm curious. What laws were not being enforced what what happened in Uvalde?

What other statutes are law enforcement ignoring that would have prevented Nashville? Stoneman Douglas? Santa Fe? Las Vegas? Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Anyone is welcome to answer this question. I've heard the "they just need to enforce current laws" point before. Yet, I'm also told that some of them bought their guns legally. Can these things both be true? It seems unlikely.
They don't have anything, it's just deflection. Just like "We need to do something about mental health."

That's bullshit too, you don't see the right putting forth any mental health bills either. And ObamaCare gave us mental health parity, where insurers had to cover mental health treatment at the same level as other medical health treatment, which was great. But of course, the right tried to repeal ObamaCare with nothing to replace it.
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Belgrade shooting: Teen made 'kill list' for Serbia school attack

A teenager who killed eight fellow students and a security guard in a Serbian school planned the attack for weeks and had a "kill list", according to police.

The 13-year-old was arrested following Wednesday morning's attack at the Vladislav Ribnikar primary school in central Belgrade.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65468404
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ap215 wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 11:30 am Belgrade shooting: Teen made 'kill list' for Serbia school attack

A teenager who killed eight fellow students and a security guard in a Serbian school planned the attack for weeks and had a "kill list", according to police.

The 13-year-old was arrested following Wednesday morning's attack at the Vladislav Ribnikar primary school in central Belgrade.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65468404
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Atlanta mass shooting live updates: 1 killed, 4 hurt; suspect at large

One person is dead and four are injured from a mass shooting at an Atlanta medical center on Wednesday, police said.

Police have released these images of a suspect who they say is at large.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/ ... d=99048067
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ap215 wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 1:18 pm Atlanta mass shooting live updates: 1 killed, 4 hurt; suspect at large

One person is dead and four are injured from a mass shooting at an Atlanta medical center on Wednesday, police said.

Police have released these images of a suspect who they say is at large.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/ ... d=99048067
Since when is ONE death national news when we have these daily? Let's see if we can guess why.
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Video of LOTS of gunshots interruption South Carolina youth baseball game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyzYqsufZQQ

This is YOUR state, Glenn. You say we just have to accept this as the new normal. Vote Republican for MORE of this!
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gounion wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:45 am Video of LOTS of gunshots interruption South Carolina youth baseball game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyzYqsufZQQ

This is YOUR state, Glenn. You say we just have to accept this as the new normal. Vote Republican for MORE of this!
Yes someone was firing their weapon nearby. Not at anyone as is the normal in democratic cities with tough gun laws. But at a target.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:58 am Yes someone was firing their weapon nearby. Not at anyone as is the normal in democratic cities with tough gun laws. But at a target.
Then you didn't watch the video. It was a GUNFIGHT outside the game, with over a hundred shots fired. Not one person.
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gounion wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:59 am Then you didn't watch the video. It was a GUNFIGHT outside the game, with over a hundred shots fired. Not one person.
Watched it twice and nowhere do they claim.it was a gunfight
Only of you click on the deal below the video do they mention a gunfight between teens. Probably gang violence which they under play fir obvious reasons
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Glennfs wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 10:05 am Watched it twice and nowhere do they claim.it was a gunfight
Only of you click on the deal below the video do they mention a gunfight between teens. Probably gang violence which they under play fir obvious reasons
I love how you think this is just fine. Won't bother those kids at all, will it?

This is the future. Gunshots everywhere. Don't go to any house ever and ring the doorbell. Maybe body armor to send your kids to school.

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When there were responsible gun regulations in the past, I'm pretty sure violent gun related crimes dropped significantly.
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