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I think it's more that they're finally all together, and they brief each other and get their facts in order.

LASD of course confirms that the shooter blew off his own head in the Torrance incident. Something about it taking quite a while to positively identify him.

Weapon used was a MAC-10. He had more than one of them. It's a military grade submachine pistol. Kind of a mini-Uzi and just as deadly.

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Some wounded are in critical condition
Some wounded are in critical condition

......Meyer said officers responded to a call of shots fired at around 10:30 pm local time.

"When officers arrived on scene they observed numerous individuals, patrons of the location, pouring out of the location screaming," Meyer said. He said officers immediately entered the building. The wounded were taken to hospitals where their conditions range from stable to critical, Meyer said.

Video from the scene shows ambulances lined up awaiting people being loaded onto stretchers. Other photos showed bloodied and bandaged victims being treated by firefighters in a parking lot.....
The wounded are often disabled and or disfigured for life

....The shooting and manhunt sent a wave of fear through Asian American communities in the Los Angeles area and prompted other cities to send extra officers to watch over the celebrations.

Ten people were hospitalized as a result of the assault at the Monterey Park venue, some of them in critical condition.

President Joe Biden expressed his condolences in a statement and said he has directed federal authorities to aid the investigation. "I want to assure the community of Monterey Park and the broader area that we will support you in every way we can,'' Biden said....
I think Biden will help in ways that are self serving causes like authority militarization and business opportunity for the mass shooter industry but I dont see him doing justice for those made poor or any of the things that cause such disfunction and desperation, inequality, marginalization that these type of situations grow out of.
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This shooter was 72 years old. That's a difference, but perhaps the only one that matters. I haven't heard whether he left an Internet trail, but since no one has mentioned that, it's possible that he didn't. Some older people take to the net, some don't. I've heard various Nooz attempts to construct a bio on him, but they don't have much in the way of information.

It does appear that he might have had some of the usual issues with the bedroom aspects of this culture. There's a marriage gone bad somewhere, but then you have to cut through the usual BS in the wider culture, such as our tendency to marginalize the aged. He apparently (everything's apparent here) lived in a trailer park, oops I mean a mobile home community, by himself in Hemet, a desert town out past Palm Springs, in arid desolate country better known for military bases and huge wind storms. There are the typical unconfirmed reports of the usual antisocial behavior, but that's unconfirmed. They're quoting the usual non-reliable sources that he might have been involved financially with one or both of the dance places, which are said to be where you go if you're older in that culture. I can't confirm that, new one on me, but that's what they say.

What we do know is that he had the usual military-grade firepower. That seems to be the one thing that these shooters nowadays all have in common. We're past the phase of adolescents with one handgun and ten boxes of ammo. Today's shooters walked into a store or contacted someone online, and after the usual cursory checks possessed an arsenal that could take out a whole military unit.

There's your key. Now you understand the situation. Every whacko winds up with an arsenal, some of them use it.
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Props to the bystander who disarmed the perp at the 2nd location he targeted in Monterey, preventing this tragedy from possibly being twice as worse.
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He wasn't a cop or a law enforcement Explorer or a veteran or anything. I don't think he'd had any training or experience with this sort of thing. He just did what knew he had to do, when a lot of people would have just froze and probably been the first one shot. I hope he gets an award.

Apparently he pointed the gun at the perp, and that's when the bad guy ran away and jumped in his white van.
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2 ballroom dancing places

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bruu2zHzDBQ
Brandon Tsay helped wrestle the gun away from the alleged gunman at a dance studio in Alhambra, California, 17 minutes after the Monterey Park shooting, police said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixTI2VM2Ah0
SWAT enters van possibly linked to Monterrey Park shooting, body found in driver's seat
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3 locations:
the two ballrooms/ dance studios/ whatever they're called
the parking lot at a mall in Torrance where they stopped the bad guy in his van

LA has felt like a war zone for several years now. It was going downhill before covid, and ever since it has been crime central. The mass shootings are making the whole country pretty iffy, especially in the schools and on holidays. Why should an entire population be always under threat to keep a few influential gun manufacturers happy?

Wouldn't it be simpler to pass sensible gun restrictions that keep the military hardware locked up at military facilities, and illegal on the streets? If someone feels like their dick is bigger if they own a handgun or hunting rifle, well that can be arranged in a legal and sane manner, but we can't keep pretending that civilized countries don't have to restrict control of the military grade hardware to the military. What next, personal tactical nukes?
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Mass shooting in Half Moon Bay, on the coast south of SF, around 320 miles north of LA. 2 locations, both mushroom farms. 7 dead, several others wounded. 67-year-old shooter in custody, after he drove to a sheriff station and let himself be cuffed 'n' stuffed without a fight. The name sounds Chinese. Believed that most or all of the victims are also Asian.

LA shooting body count is now 11. Victim succumbed to injuries.

Shooting at a school somewhere, 3 dead. Won't make the mass shooting list because those have to be 4 or more.

Police searched the Monterey Park shooter's trailer in Hemet. Found hundreds of rounds, an illegal rifle, and evidence that the shooter was manufacturing silencers/suppressors for the MAC-10s. Next door neighbor says he was "quiet."
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plus 8 shot in oakland

8 shot, 1 killed at Oakland gas station
Eight people were shot and one person was killed in Oakland Monday night, the Oakland Police Department said. The shooting happened just after 6:00 p.m. at 5910 MacArthur Boulevard.

Upon arriving at the scene, OPD officers learned that there was a shootout between several people. Video from the Citizen app shows the crime scene is a Valero gas station.

There were no victims at the scene when police arrived, but officers found shell casings. OPD later learned of multiple gunshot victims taking themselves to local hospitals.

As of Monday night, OPD was aware of eight victims. One is dead and the other seven are in stable condition.....
TIMELINE: Half Moon Bay mass shooting leaves 7 dead
” There were children present when the mass shooting occurred. Corpus said, “This is a devastating tragedy for this community and the many families touched by this unspeakable act of violence.”.....

....... A connection between the suspect and victims was revealed. Zhao and the victims worked at one of the farms. Some workers at one farm lived on the premises with their families, Sheriff Corpus said.
https://twitter.com/AmyLarson25/status/ ... 0679202816
Half Moon Bay mass shooting: Chunli Zhao was recorded on video as he surrendered to San Mateo County deputies at the media staging area. Journalists were waiting for a news conference to begin when the suspected gunman suddenly showed up.
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Police: 2 Students Killed, Man Seriously Injured in Des Moines Shooting

DES MOINES, Iowa—Two teenage students were killed Monday and a man was seriously injured in what police said was a targeted shooting at an alternative educational program that was designed to keep at-risk youth away from trouble, police said. The injured man was identified as the program’s founder—a rapper who left a life of violence and was dedicated to helping youth in Des Moines.

Three people were arrested shortly after the shooting at the educational program called Starts Right Here, police said. Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie identified the injured adult as William Holmes—who goes by the stage name Will Keeps—and said the victims and those arrested were all teenagers.

https://www.ntd.com/police-2-students-k ... 96715.html
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One of the Half Moon Bay shootings was at one of those depressing farm labor camps. Despite all the hoopla around the farm workers' strike some huge number of years ago, the conditions can still be pretty bad. Let's just say that Skid Row flophouses would be an improvement and let it go at that.

The shooter used weapons of a class that is similar to the ones in Monterey Park.

Nooz is closing in on the notion that California is the problem. California is not the problem. It's all on the Feds, and the well connected lobbies that maintain a thriving market for high-velocity semi-automatic military style weapons designed to kill humans as rapidly as possible. Legal or otherwise. And on the media who capitalize on the Wild West fantasy, and of course the many appeals to hate.

The situation on the battleground is that every bozo who believes Wild West or INCEL or conspiracist rhetoric and/or who has a grudge against some business or family has been given the tools to very effectively act out their fantasies of mass murder.

What next, a contest on Faux Nooz to see who can kill the most people in 15 minutes?
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Overnight shooting in Yakima, Washington, leaves 3 dead, suspect at large

(CNN) — At least three people are dead following an overnight shooting in Yakima, Washington, according to Yakima Police Chief Matt Murray.

Murray said the suspect in the shooting remains at large.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/us/yakim ... index.html
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Every big city in the US probably has some shooting like the one in Yakima on a pretty much weekly basis. Gangs have at it. Parties get out of hand. Interpersonal arguments escalate. In most advanced countries, this would cause incidents with knives or blunt trauma instruments. Here, however, people go for their guns. That's the American Way.

These smaller incidents don't usually get reported on the national level. Right now, though, they do. Right now, violence creates wide interest, and wide interest sells ads.

However, this war has been going on for quite some time.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:08 am Every big city in the US probably has some shooting like the one in Yakima on a pretty much weekly basis. Gangs have at it. Parties get out of hand. Interpersonal arguments escalate. In most advanced countries, this would cause incidents with knives or blunt trauma instruments. Here, however, people go for their guns. That's the American Way.

These smaller incidents don't usually get reported on the national level. Right now, though, they do. Right now, violence creates wide interest, and wide interest sells ads.

However, this war has been going on for quite some time.
And now let's cue glenn to post about Chicago.
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Chicago tries to pass meaningful gun laws, but it doesn't matter because anyone can drive to Indiana and pick up any hardware they want.

Once again the ball is in the Feds' court, and we all know they'll miss it.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:23 am Chicago tries to pass meaningful gun laws, but it doesn't matter because anyone can drive to Indiana and pick up any hardware they want.

Once again the ball is in the Feds' court, and we all know they'll miss it.
Gun laws can prevent people who shouldn't have a gun from legally buying one if properly enforced. However, like drugs, there is a black market that can easily provide anyone a gun. The effectiveness of gun laws comes after someone is arrested and is used to add to the charges for the crime(s) the person committed. The problem is we have too many guns in the hands of too many people who have no business having a gun.

I'd like to see Congress pass a bill that would outlaw automatic and semi-automatic weapons for civilians, require gun owners to register their weapons with local law enforcement agencies, require certified training and re-training every three years, mandatory storage requirements to prevent children from using them, and to authorize billions of dollars to buy back automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:08 am Every big city in the US probably has some shooting like the one in Yakima on a pretty much weekly basis. Gangs have at it. Parties get out of hand. Interpersonal arguments escalate. In most advanced countries, this would cause incidents with knives or blunt trauma instruments. Here, however, people go for their guns. That's the American Way.

These smaller incidents don't usually get reported on the national level. Right now, though, they do. Right now, violence creates wide interest, and wide interest sells ads.

However, this war has been going on for quite some time.
Cause we have leaders who only trust in violence and inequality and injustice to solve problems and make an example through state and federal government to show that. We end up with people emulating, idealizing that inequality and injustice and violence instead of other things because it is the biggest most repetitious observable force we have access to witness. Whats more unequal and unjust than mass shootings, they are right up there with corporate collusion to oppress societies and enslave people.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:47 am Gun laws can prevent people who shouldn't have a gun from legally buying one if properly enforced. However, like drugs, there is a black market that can easily provide anyone a gun. The effectiveness of gun laws comes after someone is arrested and is used to add to the charges for the crime(s) the person committed. The problem is we have too many guns in the hands of too many people who have no business having a gun.

I'd like to see Congress pass a bill that would outlaw automatic and semi-automatic weapons for civilians, require gun owners to register their weapons with local law enforcement agencies, require certified training and re-training every three years, mandatory storage requirements to prevent children from using them, and to authorize billions of dollars to buy back automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
The problem with such laws other than they won’t get passed to begin with and the obvious constitutional questions, is that, as you mentioned, they cannot be enforced. It has become rather fashionable lately for state and local governments to simply ignore federal laws with which they do not agree. So just as we have states that ignore drug and immigration laws and establish sanctuary states and cities, so it will be guns. Sadly that’s the precedent. Nobody gives a shit anymore about complying with federal law. Ignore the ones you don’t like.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:21 am The problem with such laws other than they won’t get passed to begin with and the obvious constitutional questions, is that, as you mentioned, they cannot be enforced. It has become rather fashionable lately for state and local governments to simply ignore federal laws with which they do not agree. So just as we have states that ignore drug and immigration laws and establish sanctuary states and cities, so it will be guns. Sadly that’s the precedent. Nobody gives a shit anymore about complying with federal law. Ignore the ones you don’t like.
So, we've been doing it your way, passing law after law after law in the states giving all kinds of rights to gun owners. You've got the Supreme Court stacked to declare all laws restricting guns unconstitutional. You got your way. Congratulations.

So, you are saying we just have to accept mass shooting as the way of the United States.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:47 am The effectiveness of gun laws comes after someone is arrested and is used to add to the charges for the crime(s) the committed.
That’s one of first charges removed in order to get a quick plea bargain.

I’d like to see a standard where committing a crime with a gun while under a gun disability can’t be bargained out and that results in a prison sentence.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:59 am So, we've been doing it your way, passing law after law after law in the states giving all kinds of rights to gun owners. You've got the Supreme Court stacked to declare all laws restricting guns unconstitutional. You got your way. Congratulations.

So, you are saying we just have to accept mass shooting as the way of the United States.
It’s not up to me what you do or do not accept.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:22 am It’s not up to me what you do or do not accept.
But that IS what YOU accept, right?
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:23 am But that IS what YOU accept, right?
I have stated numerous times what I would support as far as gun law changes. I accept that not everyone agrees with me. That’s democracy. Doesn’t mean I agree.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:26 am I have stated numerous times what I would support as far as gun law changes. I accept that not everyone agrees with me. That’s democracy. Doesn’t mean I agree.
You don't want ANY gun law changes. You just said so.

So, you have no solutions at all and say this is what the American people must accept - daily mass shootings. More dead school children.

Well, you got your way, you must be proud.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:29 am You don't want ANY gun law changes. You just said so.

So, you have no solutions at all and say this is what the American people must accept - daily mass shootings. More dead school children.

Well, you got your way, you must be proud.
Show me the post where I said I didn’t want ANY gun laws. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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