Is this the high-water mark of our freedoms? Must-see.

[carmenjonze]

Of course, I’m quite sure that Joe will also defend Texas, which is having the state investigators investigate all the parents of all trans children, too, won’t he?

Yes, he will.

These cons around here are so dishonest they claim to support "gay marriage" yet support the surveillance state for actual queer and trans people, and our families.

Lol we're supposed to be "civil" to these violent brutes. F. that, and f. them. :problem:

[JoeMemphis]

So why don’t we investigate all the GOP lawmakers that are doing cocaine and having orgies, like Madison Cawthorn said? Should we open an investigation on each and every one of them?

What’s funny is, with all the problems in our nation, you want to just dream up shit and investigate THAT, instead of REAL problems.

Because you have no solutions to the real problems facing our nation.

YOU brought up child abuse. YOU opened that door. Not me. I didn’t dream any of it up. Now you are desperately running away from the topic YOU brought up. You can’t even bring yourself to say you would investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs. That’s pretty pathetic. Speaking of gutless.

Run away GoU. You brought this up but you go ahead and run. You say you answer all questions but that’s more GoU bullshit. It’s all political. More politics of fear.

[carmenjonze]

YOU brought up child abuse. YOU opened that door. Not me. I didn’t dream any of it up. Now you are desperately running away from the topic YOU brought up. You can’t even bring yourself to say you would investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs. That’s pretty pathetic. Speaking of gutless.

Run away GoU. You brought this up but you go ahead and run. You say you answer all questions but that’s more GoU bullshit. It’s all political. More politics of fear.

You're afraid to simply watch the OP video.

[gounion]

YOU brought up child abuse. YOU opened that door. Not me. I didn’t dream any of it up. Now you are desperately running away from the topic YOU brought up. You can’t even bring yourself to say you would investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs. That’s pretty pathetic. Speaking of gutless.

Run away GoU. You brought this up but you go ahead and run. You say you answer all questions but that’s more GoU bullshit. It’s all political. More politics of fear.

Don’t you think religious parents should be more concerned about their kids getting molested by their church by hundreds or thousands and it being covered up for decades, that they are concerned about whether the word “gay” is mentioned in schools?

[carmenjonze]

Welp, I think that I can explain it. There actually is no need for such laws. The driver is not so-called parental involvement/consent. The driver is fear, period. NO child is being indoctrinated, groomed or any other bullshit term/buzzword/dog whistle. That needs to be repeated: NO CHILD IS BEING INDOCTRINATED, GROOMED OR ANY OTHERR BULLSHIT TERM/BUZZWORD/DOG WHISTLE. Fear is a seller. It is a vote driver. Gin up fear over some imaginary issue and you get these results. ALL of this derives from multiple different historical sources that have been dredged up and repackaged: Leo Strauss, Russell Kirk, William F. Buckley, the John Birch Society, the Brown v Bd. of Ed. decision, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the Loving Decision, The Griswold Decision, the Obergefell Decision and Roe v Wade.

You can couch it any way that you wish. You can make claim to being “reasonable” or calling for discussion. There is nothing to discuss. Fear is an emotion. The right is playing upon fear, period. I don’t really care about their fear. They will succumb to it eventually or they will move beyond it. That is their problem. My problem is that their fear and the politicians seeing power and votes in that fear must not pass laws based upon that fear.

I would add that the driver is both fear and the backlash that results from their irrational, longstanding hate.

JoeMemphis and Glennfs are peddling the same Cold War and 1970s antigay conservative politics that is being peddled to them.

Not just in this thread, either.

Ask these a-holes why conservative whites aren't freaking out children being groomed by "great replacement theory," but they're ready to get out the hemp rope over their fantasies about teachers grooming children with "critical race theory" or whatever. :problem:

You will not get an answer.

[carmenjonze]

Don’t you think religious parents should be more concerned about their kids getting molested by their church by hundreds or thousands and it being covered up for decades, that they are concerned about whether the word “gay” is mentioned in schools?

Conservatives do not care about children, including their own miserable children. When their own children are molested, they blame the children. They have the same attitude about rape - she wanted it, she seduced me/I thought she was 18, what were you wearing, you must have provoked him, etc.

They're about as "profamily" as they are "prolife". Glennfs and JoeMemphis are about as "pro gay marriage" as they are profamily and prolife.

Conservatives just use these words to target social minorities for state repression and votebank gullible, hate-based dupes like Glennfs and JoeMemphis.

[JoeMemphis]

Don’t you think religious parents should be more concerned about their kids getting molested by their church by hundreds or thousands and it being covered up for decades, that they are concerned about whether the word “gay” is mentioned in schools?

If you are molested as a child, does it matter?

Answer the question GoU. Simple question. Why not investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs and regardless of whether the abuser is a trusted teacher or a trusted preacher? Or do you still what to only investigate the one who doesn’t carry a union card?

Remember GoU. You brought this shit up. Don’t run away.

[gounion]

If you are molested as a child, does it matter?

Answer the question GoU. Simple question. Why not investigate all child abuse regardless of where it occurs and regardless of whether the abuser is a trusted teacher or a trusted preacher? Or do you still what to only investigate the one who doesn’t carry a union card?

Remember GoU. You brought this shit up. Don’t run away.

Sure you investigate. And we’ve found out that for decades that both the Catholic and Southern Baptists churches have molested thousands of children and covered it up. The news is breaking now on the Southern Baptists, but since it’s a conservative, not liberal, institution, you ignore it.

But the schools haven’t been involved in decades-long coverups like the churches are.

So I’d say the parents should be more worried about their kids in churches than they are about whether the word “gay” is said in a schoolhouse.

But not you, right? The MOST important thing is to investigate and prosecute any teachers that even mumbles the word, right?

If I had kids, I wouldn’t let a Baptist Preacher inside my door. And these folks’ tithe money has gone to help these folks molest children.

Now THAT’S something to be outraged over.

[ProfX]

All I will say is ...

Homosexuality, gender identity, and pedophilia are not connected in any way. I know in culture we seem to have these tropes of the gay scoutmaster, or the trans woman hiding in a girls' locker room, being the child predators extraordinaire.

Most forms of child abuse are perpetrated by heterosexual men on young girls, and the most likely perp is usually a family member, not a stranger, or a teacher, or a priest.

There seem to be some implications - esp. by politicians talking about "groomers" - repeating things that are largely old time myths.

[JoeMemphis]

Sure you investigate. And we’ve found out that for decades that both the Catholic and Southern Baptists churches have molested thousands of children and covered it up. The news is breaking now on the Southern Baptists, but since it’s a conservative, not liberal, institution, you ignore it.

But the schools haven’t been involved in decades-long coverups like the churches are.

So I’d say the parents should be more worried about their kids in churches than they are about whether the word “gay” is said in a schoolhouse.

But not you, right? The MOST important thing is to investigate and prosecute any teachers that even mumbles the word, right?

If I had kids, I wouldn’t let a Baptist Preacher inside my door. And these folks’ tithe money has gone to help these folks molest children.

Now THAT’S something to be outraged over.

I have no problem with investigating and prosecuting child molestation no matter who the abuser or what institution they belong. Said that from the stop. Took a couple of pages to get you there. Shows where your priorities lie.

Parents should worry about who is talking to their kids and what they are being told. I don’t care who it is. All you have demonstrated here is that a law is needed. My fear is that a teacher with your fucked up sense of right and wrong might be talking to kids about their value system.

[gounion]

I have no problem with investigating and prosecuting child molestation no matter who the abuser or what institution they belong. Said that from the stop. Took a couple of pages to get you there. Shows where your priorities lie.

Parents should worry about who is talking to their kids and what they are being told. I don’t care who it is. All you have demonstrated here is that a law is needed. My fear is that a teacher with your fucked up sense of right and wrong might be talking to kids about their value system.

No law is needed. But hey, you guys love to come up with all kinds of laws to force people to live by YOUR religious beliefs, doncha?

[JoeMemphis]

All I will say is ...

Homosexuality, gender identity, and pedophilia are not connected in any way. I know in culture we seem to have these tropes of the gay scoutmaster, or the trans woman hiding in a girls' locker room, being the child predators extraordinaire.

Most forms of child abuse are perpetrated by heterosexual men on young girls, and the most likely perp is usually a family member, not a stranger, or a teacher, or a priest.

There seem to be some implications - esp. by politicians talking about "groomers" - repeating things that are largely old time myths.

And yet there are cases involving teachers. So obviously somebody is talking shit to students. So that pretty much blows the whole “it doesn’t happen here” argument. Ever hear of Pamela Smart?

[Glennfs]

Nope. Religion except as a study of comparative religion has no place in schools. Evangelicals want to proselytize then they need to be teaching in a private religious school. The religious right would not countenance comparative religion being taught in public schools. They should consider themselves lucky that there is a separation of church and state.

They don't need to mention their religion or God to council a child on sexuality or orientation.
I am quite sure they will interject their personal beliefs just as a progressive teacher would interject theirs.

This reminds me of school prayer. Many conservative Christians are for school prayer.
Until you bring up Muslim prayers or Hindu or Jewish or Wicken or any non Christian beliefs.
I see you folks who are in favor of teachers discussing adult subjects with 5 year olds are pretty much the same.
As long as the teacher's views are inline with your views or it is aok

[gounion]

And yet there are cases involving teachers. So obviously somebody is talking shit to students. So that pretty much blows the whole “it doesn’t happen here” argument. Ever hear of Pamela Smart?

When you can compare what few cases there are in schools to the wholesale molestation and coverups in the Catholic and Southern Baptist churches, you can talk. But there IS no comparison. Like the Priests that molested literally HUNDREDS of children, and every time he was found out, the church just moved him to another place for fresh meat.

But you don't care about that, do you? THAT was perfectly acceptable. But hey, some teacher may say "gay" so dammit we need LAWS!

[JoeMemphis]

No law is needed. But hey, you guys love to come up with all kinds of laws to force people to live by YOUR religious beliefs, doncha?

We all live by rules. I support the ones that keep people from talking to your minor children about sex without your knowledge and permission. If you feel like you should be able to have those chats perhaps you should have had children of your own.

[Glennfs]

We all live by rules. I support the ones that keep people from talking to your minor children about sex without your knowledge and permission. If you feel like you should be able to have those chats perhaps you should have had children of your own.

The problem is most people here have no children.

[JoeMemphis]

When you can compare what few cases there are in schools to the wholesale molestation and coverups in the Catholic and Southern Baptist churches, you can talk. But there IS no comparison. Like the Priests that molested literally HUNDREDS of children, and every time he was found out, the church just moved him to another place for fresh meat.

But you don't care about that, do you? THAT was perfectly acceptable. But hey, some teacher may say "gay" so dammit we need LAWS!

Investigate and prosecute them all. Lock them away and throw away the key. IDK if they are a teacher or a preacher. I said that the first time you introduced this topic. There isn’t a nickels worth of difference to the victim if they were molested by a trusted teacher or a trusted preacher. They are scarred for life. Why do you insist or demonizing the one and normalizing the other?

[gounion]

We all live by rules. I support the ones that keep people from talking to your minor children about sex without your knowledge and permission. If you feel like you should be able to have those chats perhaps you should have had children of your own.

Yes, yes, yes, you want RULES goddamnit! Rules so that trans people are told what bathroom to go to, what can be discussed, where they can play sports, whether grown women can get abortions, whether they can get contraception, all kinds of rules on sex.

When I was young, the local Planned Parenthood had a fish bowl of condoms, that anyone could come in and get a handful of, no questions asked. I bet you were against that, too, weren't you?

[gounion]

Investigate and prosecute them all. Lock them away and throw away the key. IDK if they are a teacher or a preacher. I said that the first time you introduced this topic. There isn’t a nickels worth of difference to the victim if they were molested by a trusted teacher or a trusted preacher. They are scarred for life. Why do you insist or demonizing the one and normalizing the other?

The church has been covering it up.

But no big deal, right?

[gounion]

The problem is most people here have no children.

So?

[ProfX]

And yet there are cases involving teachers. So obviously somebody is talking shit to students. So that pretty much blows the whole “it doesn’t happen here” argument. Ever hear of Pamela Smart?

To be clear, a teacher sexually assaulting a child should of course be arrested (and not just fired). I never said it doesn't happen. I knew a case in high school. It was a coach. And he got fired. That has been illegal, as it should be, since the beginning of time. Of course - it's illegal for ANYONE to sexually assault a child. No new laws were necessary to deal with that problem.

My only point is, since these laws conflate that with gender identity or sexual orientation, and then start talking about "grooming" (which means luring a child into sexual activity with the predator), they are repeating old myths.

[JoeMemphis]

Yes, yes, yes, you want RULES goddamnit! Rules so that trans people are told what bathroom to go to, what can be discussed, where they can play sports, whether grown women can get abortions, whether they can get contraception, all kinds of rules on sex.

When I was young, the local Planned Parenthood had a fish bowl of condoms, that anyone could come in and get a handful of, no questions asked. I bet you were against that, too, weren't you?

More made up GoU madeup BS. And somebody here was talking about politics of fear. Well here you go. Prime example.

[JoeMemphis]

To be clear, a teacher sexually assaulting a child should of course be arrested (and not just fired). I never said it doesn't happen. I knew a case in high school. It was a coach. And he got fired. That has been illegal, as it should be, since the beginning of time. Of course - it's illegal for ANYONE to sexually assault a child. No new laws were necessary to deal with that problem.

My only point is, since these laws conflate that with gender identity or sexual orientation, and then start talking about "grooming" (which means luring a child into sexual activity with the predator), they are repeating old myths.

Hey, I didn’t introduce this part of the conversation. GoU did. So either it’s relevant or it’s just more GoU being his usual dumbass self.

You already know how I feel about the subject. It hasn’t changed from where it was before GoU took this conversation off track.

[gounion]

More made up GoU madeup BS. And somebody here was talking about politics of fear. Well here you go. Prime example.

Nothing made up at all. Every word is true. That's the laws your side wants, and that you support and defend.

[gounion]

Hey, I didn’t introduce this part of the conversation. GoU did. So either it’s relevant or it’s just more GoU being his usual dumbass self.

You already know how I feel about the subject. It hasn’t changed from where it was before GoU took this conversation off track.

Yeah, you guys are screaming about "grooming" in the schools, while the REAL problem, we now learn, is in the church.

But you are ONLY concerned about the schools, things that hardly every happen and are already illegal. But now you can't say the word "gay". Wow. The kids are safe now, aren't they?

Did you think storks delivered babies until you were 18, Joe?