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ZoWie wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:22 am I thought this thread would have something about the new variant. It provides convincing evidence that we're screwed, big time, if we keep waiting for it all to die down by itself. We need new coping strategies. Waiting for Godot is not going to adapt Western civilization to the new normal.

That's all. Adapt or lose civilization. My last word on the subject for a long time because I've had it with this cyclic thing thinking gee the economy will pick up and make us all rich any day now, followed by the inevitable oops, not this year.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.........
this entire pretense of things are fine go shopping is stunning.
OMICRON variant..now on the move. hitting euro and SAfrica hard. another variation on the move meanwhile
half of merica is also now on the move for the next 5 weeks.
oh goodie.

"fool you twice"...ive felt fooled each decade.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids They speak for all that is cruel stupid They are racists hate mongers I piss down the throats of these Nazis Im too old to worry whether they like it. Fuck them.
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'It's Coming': N.Y. Gov. Kathy Hochul Issues Omicron Warning, Declares State of Emergency

New York Governor Kathy Hochul has declared a state of emergency over the Omicron variant of COVID-19, stating, "It's coming." The variant is believed to be possibly more contagious and immune-resistant than previous COVID-19 variants.

"We've taken extraordinary action to prevent the spread of COVID-19 and combat this pandemic," Hochul wrote in a statement. "While the new Omicron variant has yet to be detected in New York State, it's coming."

https://www.newsweek.com/its-coming-ny- ... cy-1653658
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U.S. imposes travel ban from eight African countries over Omicron variant

NANTUCKET, Mass./WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - The United States will bar entry to most travelers from eight southern African countries starting on Monday, after a potentially more-contagious new coronavirus variant was identified in South Africa, President Joe Biden said on Friday.

The new variant, dubbed Omicron, poses a new challenge for Biden, who has had a mixed success getting Americans vaccinated after a politically motivated pushback by 10 states. Biden also faces criticism from international health experts and foreign leaders for failing to send vaccines to poorer countries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-imp ... 021-11-26/
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ap215 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 am U.S. imposes travel ban from eight African countries over Omicron variant

NANTUCKET, Mass./WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - The United States will bar entry to most travelers from eight southern African countries starting on Monday, after a potentially more-contagious new coronavirus variant was identified in South Africa, President Joe Biden said on Friday.

The new variant, dubbed Omicron, poses a new challenge for Biden, who has had a mixed success getting Americans vaccinated after a politically motivated pushback by 10 states. Biden also faces criticism from international health experts and foreign leaders for failing to send vaccines to poorer countries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-imp ... 021-11-26/
When trump did that he was called racist and it was opposed by Democrats. Hopefully that won't happen under Biden
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 am When trump did that he was called racist and it was opposed by Democrats. Hopefully that won't happen under Biden
Because Trump is no racist, right? And his actions on the pandemic were fantastic, right?
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 am When trump did that he was called racist and it was opposed by Democrats. Hopefully that won't happen under Biden
This doesn’t even make sense and is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you post. Trump put in Muslim bans and called African countries shitholes etc., long before Covid hit. Putting in travel bans because of a mutating pandemic isn’t worth discussion as something close to being similar.
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The thing that irritated me most about Trump claiming he protected America from the virus by cutting off entry into the U.S. from "Gina" in early 2020 is ...

a) he didn't in fact do it (see earlier post), and essentially lied, but when does he not?
b) at that point, the horse was way out of the barn, and stopping people from coming from "Gina" didn't prevent it from getting here from Europe, or elsewhere - a point Trump definitely lost in continuing to call it the "Gina Virus"
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ProfX wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:49 am The thing that irritated me most about Trump claiming he protected America from the virus by cutting off entry into the U.S. from "Gina" in early 2020 is ...

a) he didn't in fact do it (see earlier post), and essentially lied, but when does he not?
b) at that point, the horse was way out of the barn, and stopping people from coming from "Gina" didn't prevent it from getting here from Europe, or elsewhere - a point Trump definitely lost in continuing to call it the "Gina Virus"
He didn’t. And Trump and Pompeo also sent 17 tons or so of PPE to China in early Feb, 2020. Which seems like a fked up thing to do when it’s hitting your own shores. But quid pro quo and all that.
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Oh and BTW, this study was from a few months ago and may already have been posted, but anyhoo ...

Large Study Confirms Masks Work to Limit COVID-19 Spread
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021090 ... read-study

Cliff notes summary:
Were surgical masks more effective than "bog standard" cloth masks? Yes.
Did cloth masks still substantially reduce transmission rates? Yes, yes they also did, if not as much as surgical ones. Pointing out they weren't as effective, doesn't mean they weren't somewhat effective. In certain populations, they were actually quite effective.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 am When trump did that he was called racist and it was opposed by Democrats. Hopefully that won't happen under Biden
The Traitor's Muslim Ban was Unconstitutional, it violated 1st. Amendment's Separation of Church & State. You, being the Islamophobic Conservative that you are, had no problem with that.

The Traitor's "Shit Hole Countries" remarks were used to describe African Nations.

"China Virus", "Kung-Flu" were all the Traitor, again you had no problem with it.

The Traitor supported strong Voter Suppression Laws coming out the Republican Controlled State Legislatures. You support these kinds of law.

President Biden is acting out of an abundance of caution, the Traitor is a Racist/Homophobic/Islamophobic butt wad and you defend him.
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Let me remind you Glenn that by the outright Criminal Negligence of the Traitor over 400,000 Americans Died. Men, Women and Children were killed because the Traitor wanted people inject Bleach, drink Pin-Sol or shine a an Ultra-Violet Light up their asses.

Under President Biden, over 70% of Adults in our country have had at least one dose of COVID Vaccine, people are lining up their booster shots as well.

People died because the Traitor did not believe in or trust the science or the experts like Dr. Fauci, the leading expert in his field.

President BIden is working hard to end the spread of COVID, the Traitor went golfing.
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The biggest problem is that nothing stops Americans from traveling on holidays. It's fundamental to this country's culture and any attack on it is perceived as oppression. We need to work around this somehow. New ideas are needed. Massive testing and screening on an everyday basis and frequent vaccine boosters are two ideas that I had, though I have no evidence that either would work very well due to financial constraints and plain human stubbornness.
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So I was in Vegas for over a week. Had a blast. But Vegas has a very strict policy on the strip and at all the Casinos - They DEMAND EVERYONE WEAR A MASK. And no under your nose, no just at the chin. MASKS. You had to wear a mask at all the shows. I took photos with Piff the Magic Dragon and David Copperfield. We dropped the mask for seconds to take the photos.

Talking with the staff, most hotels required vaxxes to work there. Even the cabbies were masked the entire time.

Now why is Vegas cracking down so much on being masked? Because, counter to Joe's medical opinion, THEY WORK! And the city is built on tourism, and the LAST THING the businesses want is an outbreak in Vegas. And the best way to keep the caseload low is masking. And guess what, JoeMemphis? People weren't fainting in the streets for lack of oxygen! Everyone seemed to get around just fine. Everyone was still having a great time. The tables were full, the shows were full, things were humming.

They work.

And if we don't want another spike with this new variant, the thing to do is to mask in public. But it's because of the stupidity of people like Joe that we'll have trouble ever getting back to normal. Idiots.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 am When trump did that he was called racist and it was opposed by Democrats. Hopefully that won't happen under Biden
Really? When did he do that and what countries did he ban and why?
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Drak wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:45 am This doesn’t even make sense and is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you post. Trump put in Muslim bans and called African countries shitholes etc., long before Covid hit. Putting in travel bans because of a mutating pandemic isn’t worth discussion as something close to being similar.
When you say this "...is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you post..." that's saying a lot because glen's famous, on this board at least, for making the dumbest statements.
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gounion wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:29 pm So I was in Vegas for over a week. Had a blast. But Vegas has a very strict policy on the strip and at all the Casinos - They DEMAND EVERYONE WEAR A MASK. And no under your nose, no just at the chin. MASKS. You had to wear a mask at all the shows. I took photos with Piff the Magic Dragon and David Copperfield. We dropped the mask for seconds to take the photos.

Talking with the staff, most hotels required vaxxes to work there. Even the cabbies were masked the entire time.

Now why is Vegas cracking down so much on being masked? Because, counter to Joe's medical opinion, THEY WORK! And the city is built on tourism, and the LAST THING the businesses want is an outbreak in Vegas. And the best way to keep the caseload low is masking. And guess what, JoeMemphis? People weren't fainting in the streets for lack of oxygen! Everyone seemed to get around just fine. Everyone was still having a great time. The tables were full, the shows were full, things were humming.

They work.

And if we don't want another spike with this new variant, the thing to do is to mask in public. But it's because of the stupidity of people like Joe that we'll have trouble ever getting back to normal. Idiots.
Thanks for the update on Vegas. I'll be in Las Vegas for a bowling tournament in January and I was wondering what the mask requirements were like. I have no problems wearing a mask indoors or outdoors. I even have to wear one while bowling which took getting used to especially since I wear glasses which tend to fog up.
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A lot of "panic" is taking place over this Omicron variant and I don't have a problem with the travel ban from countries where it's present or the precautions taking placed in preparation for a new wave of infections. However, I'll wait until the experts have time to determine how serious it is and whether the COVID vaccines are effective against it. Keep calm and continue wearing masks, social distancing, and continue taking the general precautions we've been doing for the past 18 months.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:45 pm Thanks for the update on Vegas. I'll be in Las Vegas for a bowling tournament in January and I was wondering what the mask requirements were like. I have no problems wearing a mask indoors or outdoors. I even have to wear one while bowling which took getting used to especially since I wear glasses which tend to fog up.
Yeah, you can look and Clark County is REALLY low in cases. Since "masks don't work" I'd love to hear Joe explain how, with people coming from all over the world to Vegas, there could be such a low level of cases from Vegas?

He can't explain.

And as for the masks, I don't like the paper masks. And it took a little testing and experimentation, but I've got a mask with a good seal around the nose and doesn't fog my glasses.

Had a four-hour flight out, just over three back, in the airport masked the whole time. And no one fainted or was gasping for breath.

I guess Joe just can't pony up like the rest of us.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:51 pm A lot of "panic" is taking place over this Omicron variant and I don't have a problem with the travel ban from countries where it's present or the precautions taking placed in preparation for a new wave of infections. However, I'll wait until the experts have time to determine how serious it is and whether the COVID vaccines are effective against it. Keep calm and continue wearing masks, social distancing, and continue taking the general precautions we've been doing for the past 18 months.
There's a number of things we don't know. If it can bypass the vaccine, is it more or less deadly, all those things.

Things we need to find out. We're going back to masking at all times in public.
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gounion wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:53 pm Yeah, you can look and Clark County is REALLY low in cases. Since "masks don't work" I'd love to hear Joe explain how, with people coming from all over the world to Vegas, there could be such a low level of cases from Vegas?

He can't explain.

And as for the masks, I don't like the paper masks. And it took a little testing and experimentation, but I've got a mask with a good seal around the nose and doesn't fog my glasses.

Had a four-hour flight out, just over three back, in the airport masked the whole time. And no one fainted or was gasping for breath.

I guess Joe just can't pony up like the rest of us.
Listening to Joe on his opinions about masks is like listening to someone who knows nothing about plumbing telling you how to fix a plumbing problem. We've all agree that cloth masks aren't as effective as N95 masks but they're still effective in slowing down the spread of COVID.

I have both disposable paper and reusable cloth masks. I mainly use the cloth masks because after a couple of washings they seem to fit tighter. I have to rest my glasses on the mask to reduce fogging and sometimes it's effective and sometimes it's not. I wear bifocals and at my next optometry appointment I'm going to ask the optometrist about contact lens. She told me they now have bifocal contact lenses but I'll look at lenses for my far vision and have glasses for reading. The advantage with the contact lenses will be no fogging of the lenses.
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gounion wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:58 pm There's a number of things we don't know. If it can bypass the vaccine, is it more or less deadly, all those things.
That's why I'll wait for the experts to let us know what's what rather than the so-called "experts" in fields like finance and trucking.
Things we need to find out. We're going back to masking at all times in public.
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And it wouldn't surprise me The Anti Pandemic GOP'ers will be the ones intentionally spreading The Omicron Variant

Dr. Fauci 'Would Not Be Surprised' if Omicron COVID Variant Is Already in the United States

The Omicron COVID-19 variant could already be in the United States, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci.

"I would not be surprised if it is," Fauci, 80, told Peter Alexander and Kristen Welker Saturday on Weekend Today.

https://people.com/health/dr-fauci-omic ... ronavirus/
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South African doctor who raised alarm about omicron variant says symptoms are ‘unusual but mild’

The first South African doctor to alert the authorities about patients with the omicron variant has told The Telegraph that the symptoms of the new variant are unusual but mild.

Dr Angelique Coetzee said she was first alerted to the possibility of a new variant when patients in her busy private practice in the capital Pretoria started to come in earlier this month with Covid-19 symptoms that did not make immediate sense.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... -symptoms/
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The best we can say about Omicron is things are unknown at this point. And I get it, as human beings, we all fear the unknown. It's a new mutant variant.

Is it much greater in viral spread than normal strains? Maybe.
Is it deadlier than the typical strain? We'll see.
Most important question - is it bypassing vaccine immunity? This is what people are worried about.

I know people want science to have all the answers right out the gate. The answer is, "they're looking into it".

The best news may be that it's not that bad. Reasonable caution until we know for sure is warranted.
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