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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:51 am And today on “Truth Social” Trump brags again about his trust in his buddy Vlad. https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 0012262969
Once again openly admitting his fealty to a KGB thug and the sworn enemy of America. And the entire GOP House is behind him. Traitors.

It’s hilarious they’re driving the bus over McGonigal, who worked for Deripaska and Trump.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:51 am And today on “Truth Social” Trump brags again about his trust in his buddy Vlad. https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 0012262969
Here's the post as an image file. This is the leader of the Republican party. A full on traitor.

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These are not the same.

Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Peter Strzok and Lisa page all investigated Trump. In fact, Brennan, Strzok and Page are all exeperts on Russia, and in particular, Strzok and Page are experts on the Russian Mob and the boss, Semion Mogilevich. None of them were arrested or indicted, but were and are part of a longstanding investigation into Trump's nefarious ties to Vladimir Putin and Russia, who Trump is once again praising in his post.

McGonigal, on the other hand, works for Putin and Russian Oligarchs, just like Trump does.
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Pretty amazing to me that not one conservative here cares that Trump kisses Putin's ass, and that almost the entire GOP House and a good portion of GOP senators go along with it.
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That "misfit" McGonigal was working on behalf of one of Putin's closest oligarch pals, Oleg Deripaska, which means he was essentially working on behalf of Putin, but of course Trump would obfuscate that, as he would the fact that McG was trying to "exonerate" him from Russiagate.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:00 pm Pretty amazing to me that not one conservative here cares that Trump kisses Putin's ass, and that almost the entire GOP House and a good portion of GOP senators go along with it.
Trump is not president and has no relevance to what is happening in Ukraine
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:32 pm Trump is not president and has no relevance to what is happening in Ukraine
He's running for President.

Funny how you can reference past Democratic Presidents all you want. That's childish that you demand we play by one set of rules and you play without ANY rules.

But you don't give a fuck, do you?
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:34 pm He's running for President.

Funny how you can reference past Democratic Presidents all you want. That's childish that you demand we play by one set of rules and you play without ANY rules.

But you don't give a fuck, do you?
So how is Trump relevant to how the Biden administration is proceeding in the Ukraine
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:32 pm Trump is not president and has no relevance to what is happening in Ukraine
Trump sat in the WH for 4 years praising Putin, and working Putin's foreign policy. Trump stole classified documents and attempted to hide them, Trump is the current leader of the Republican party, and Trump has 100 percent relevance to what is happening in Ukraine.

It's simply amazing how someone can spend so much time on a political message board and have NO clue what's going on.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:36 pm So how is Trump relevant to how the Biden administration is proceeding in the Ukraine
What the hell are you even talking about? Biden is handling Ukraine with Aces.

Apparently you're totes cool with Trump and most of the GOP being in the pocket of America's enemy.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:40 pm Trump sat in the WH for 4 years praising Putin, and working Putin's foreign policy. Trump stole classified documents and attempted to hide them, Trump is the current leader of the Republican party, and Trump has 100 percent relevance to what is happening in Ukraine.

It's simply amazing how someone can spend so much time on a political message board and have NO clue what's going on.
Hell, the first thing Trump did as President was to call KGB Thugs into the Oval Office and handed them classified intelligence.

And Glenn was good with that.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:44 pm Hell, the first thing Trump did as President was to call KGB Thugs into the Oval Office and handed them classified intelligence.

And Glenn was good with that.
Yep, and tried to hide it from the press until it was outed by Kremlin State Media. Then he bragged to the Russian Spies that he got Comey off his back by firing him. Then they all had a laugh about it.
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Lindsey Graham and Gov McMaster kicked off Trump's treason campaign with him this weekend, too.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:46 pm Lindsey Graham and Gov McMaster kicked off Trump's treason campaign with him this weekend, too.
I think Lindsey is angling to be his VP pick.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:58 pm I think Lindsey is angling to be his VP pick.
Governor McMaster is an asshole I believe Graham is angling for McConnells job.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:50 pm Governor McMaster is an asshole I believe Graham is angling for McConnells job.
LOL. Uh huh. That's why Graham's nose has been buried up Trump's ass since 2018.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:50 pm Governor McMaster is an asshole I believe Graham is angling for McConnells job.
No. This isn't about McConnell's job.

Trump's MO is blackmail. Everyone in his orbit knows this. It's why he's been friends with David Pecker for decades. He was also very tight with Epstein. It's probably why the entire Republican party walks lock and step with him and refuses to go against him.

Trump JUST stated again, that DeSantis shouldn't run against him because he would release information he has on him. That's blackmail.

Lindsey Graham hated Donald Trump's guts. Then he was summoned to visit him on the golf course in 2018, and ever since that meeting Graham has had his nose buried deep in Trump's ass. And every time Graham has tried to go back, he gets pulled back in.

Now he's campaigning for Trump and was just on Fox News last night stating that Trump has unfinished business in the WH and needs to be reinstalled. Trump has NO business being any where near the WH. He's mentally ill, mentally unfit, and attempted to overthrow the government.

Yep. Graham used to say Trump wasn't a conservative and would destroy the party. Until he was summoned in 2018.

And you vote for this guy and think he's a fine man.
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I keep reading that President Biden has decided not to give Ukraine fighter jets.

Personally I've been pretty much avoiding this thread except for here and there. Of course if there was a republican in office most here would be opposing anything they did.

My thinking on Ukraine is it is far more complicated than anyone here has the knowledge to understand. There are far more issues going on behind the scenes than any if us will ever know. IMO it is one of those times when we need to support our government and trust our leaders to do what is in the best interests of the USA.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:50 am I keep reading that President Biden has decided not to give Ukraine fighter jets.

Personally I've been pretty much avoiding this thread except for here and there. Of course if there was a republican in office most here would be opposing anything they did.

My thinking on Ukraine is it is far more complicated than anyone here has the knowledge to understand. There are far more issues going on behind the scenes than any if us will ever know. IMO it is one of those times when we need to support our government and trust our leaders to do what is in the best interests of the USA.
And no we would not.

And you are the one saying that the Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded if Donald Trump had won the election and was still President. That no one will do anything to to the USA while a Republican is President.
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gounion wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:22 am And no we would not.

And you are the one saying that the Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded if Donald Trump had won the election and was still President. That no one will do anything to to the USA while a Republican is President.
I never said that. What I said was the last two times Putin invaded Ukraine there was a Democrat in office.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:00 am I never said that. What I said was the last two times Putin invaded Ukraine there was a Democrat in office.
You know, you’re a lying sack of shit. You know that you are trying to insinuate that Dems are seen as weaker.

And you don’t have the stones to admit it. That’s passive/aggressive bullshit.

Because you know that under both Bushes we ended up in wars because of the actions of GOP Presidents.

But your boy Trump tells us if he was President, he could end the war with a phone call. Well, why doesn’t he do it now? Such an action would probably guarantee him being elected next year.
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Trump, owned by Putin, set this up. We all remember Helsinki.


As for F16s, my understanding is they need training on these before they’d agree to send them.
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Drak wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:13 am Trump, owned by Putin, set this up. We all remember Helsinki.


As for F16s, my understanding is they need training on these before they’d agree to send them.
The F-16 is the easiest top fighter to jet to fly and maintain. I had a chance to go to Turkey to support the production line there, but I quit before they started sending people. Looking back, I wished that I had done it. Would have been cool on the old resume! Plus, some of my friends went and they really enjoyed it.
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Wait a second. They make F-16s in Turkey? Talk about outsourcing...............
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:59 am Wait a second. They make F-16s in Turkey? Talk about outsourcing...............
Belgium, Netherlands, Turkey, South Korea, Japan. India makes the wings.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:59 am Wait a second. They make F-16s in Turkey? Talk about outsourcing...............
Well, not any more. But it was also produced in Belgium, The Netherlands and North Korea. It was also the basis of the Japanese FS-X Fighter.

It’s the simplest modern fighter of all, as well as very capable. Easy to fly and easy to maintain.
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