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Motor City wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:23 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz6gKaO1hgE

War is about delusions and comes about by seduction. One guy in russia seduces the world and everyone falls in line, American factories in tune with factories and economies all over the world in tune with the war like a symphony. A symphony of destruction. Everybody's working together to kill and destroy hope and humanity. No one is going against it.
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Granted it's from The Telegraph but interesting none the less.......

https://news.yahoo.com/south-africa-mus ... 16042.html

South Africa must arrest Vladimir Putin
The Met Police haven’t had a great week, but spare a thought for South African police chiefs. Later this year they may find themselves facing the trickiest diplomatic decision of modern times: whether to arrest Vladimir Putin if he turns up for the summit of Brics nations, planned for Durban in late August.

On the face of it, the decision should have been made for them: South Africa is one of 123 signatories to the International Criminal Court (ICC) which last week issued a warrant demanding that the Russian leader be arrested for war crimes if he should set foot in any of those member countries. But it is all too easy to imagine excuses being made, heels being dragged, the final order being given just as Putin’s jet lifts off on his homeward journey. Leader of the far-left Economic Freedom Fighters, Julius Malena, has already said that Putin would be “welcome” in South Africa, while President Cyril Ramaphosa has remained silent.

There is a precedent. In 2015, Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir turned up in South Africa for a meeting of the African Union. He, like Putin now, was under an ICC arrest warrant. Yet the South African government issued immunity to all delegates attending. This was challenged in court, then appealed – and, guess what, by the time the courts had finished arguing the finer points, al-Bashir had caught his plane home.
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Yo Vlad, ain't that a bitch.......

The Telegraph
https://news.yahoo.com/xi-jinping-plan- ... 00385.html
Xi Jinping’s plan to annex Russian territory is there for all to see
Ahead of Xi Jinping’s recent visit to Russia, Putin boldly announced that the pipeline deal was ready to be signed off, prematurely labelling it “the deal of the century”. But Xi, unmoved by such excessive zeal, declined to sign anything. No mention whatsoever of POS2 appears in the official statements Xi made during the meetings. In the final joint communiqué, all a disappointed Putin could comment was that more work still had to be done “on study and approval”.
Beijing’s vision for the People’s Republic of China’s centenary in 2049 is the global triumph of a “fully developed, rich and powerful China”. This will not include sharing power with a chaotic Russian kleptocracy. The harder Xi focuses his efforts on realising the “China Dream”, the more implacably will his political and economic coercion be directed at Putin and Russia, and the weaker and more dependent both will become.

Xi’s revisionist goals entail wiping out the shame of historical territorial losses. He has imposed Communist authority on Hong Kong, seeks to do so in Taiwan, and undoubtedly has the same ambition for the 600,000 square kilometres – three times the area of Great Britain – which Tsarist Russia wrested from Opium War-weakened Manchu control in 1858-60 under the Treaties of Aigun and Peking. This area includes parts of Siberia, from which Putin’s much-vaunted pipeline deal would extract resources to sell to China.

Since the Chinese Communist Party regime derives much of what it parades as “legitimacy” from these revanchist campaigns, paying Putin for Siberian resources feels like buying family silver back from a robber. Beijing regards its loss of Mongolian lands in the same way, given the crucial Soviet role in breaking Mongolia away from the remnants of Chinese authority in the early 20th century.

Already, cross-border economic activity in Siberia by uncounted Chinese communities, including in Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, tacitly revive historical Chinese claims to this resource-rich and highly strategic region. For decades, Chinese gangsters have been smuggling precious Siberian resources back to China through a porous frontier – often in collusion with Russian criminals. It’s a clear breach of Russian sovereignty.
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Russia and China have been enemies about as often as not. The only monolithic "Communist Bloc" was in the imaginations of American politicians looking for a common enemy to scapegoat. "World Communism," as we know, filled the bill nicely on both sides of the aisle for a generation. It helped, of course, that Russian rhetoric in the Stalinist period was indeed focused on spreading communism worldwide.

"This is the final conflict, let each one take their place / The international Soviet shall be the human race." --Stalin's version of L'Internationale. With rhetoric like that, the propaganda options on our side were clear, and highly effective. They caused us to give up some of our freedom, but that seems to happen every generation anyway.

A lot of America's problem right now is that there is no credible common enemy that politicians on both sides can exploit, so both sides have been forced to fall back on organized groups of Americans with differing ideas as the Real True Threat.

This has a few advantages, such as a relative lack of a Cold War to eat trillions of dollars we can't really afford, but it has real disadvantages, such as mistrust and wide acceptance of military grade firearms, and sometimes training, as the true American means of defense against other Americans with conflicting ideas.

It would be quite ironic if China were to inherit world dominance by Russia and the US dissipating their resources opposing one another, or worse, dissipating their energy in some kind of a trumped up, pun intended, internal struggles based on race, class, or historical empires that no longer exist but sound attractive to restore. I don't see why China at some point wouldn't want to encourage more of this. It works decidedly in their interest. Meanwhile they have their own empire to build. Of course, so far they've built it mostly by exploiting the American need for cheap labor.

Hint: they're winning.
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Cafe bomb in St Petersburg kills military blogger

An explosion in a St Petersburg cafe has killed prominent Russian military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, Russia's Interior Ministry has confirmed.

At least 16 people were injured in the Street Bar Cafe bomb blast, police say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075
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ap215 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:58 pm Cafe bomb in St Petersburg kills military blogger

An explosion in a St Petersburg cafe has killed prominent Russian military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, Russia's Interior Ministry has confirmed.

At least 16 people were injured in the Street Bar Cafe bomb blast, police say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075
He was a major supporter of Putin and his war. He was also a buddy of the Wagner Group head. This one has terrorism written all over it, though as always every faction blames every other one.
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It appears another supporter of mother Russia has been recently limited in his ability to move about in Ukraine.

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The Tragedy of US Diplomacy Pushing for War, But Never Peace
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. - Matthew 5:9

In a brilliant op-ed published in the New York Times, the Quincy Institute's Trita Parsi explained how China, with help from Iraq, was able to mediate and resolve the deeply-rooted conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, whereas the United States was in no position to do so after siding with the Saudi kingdom against Iran for decades. The title of Parsi's article, "The U.S. Is Not an Indispensable Peacemaker,"refers to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's use of the term "indispensable nation" to describe the U.S. role in the post-Cold War world.

The irony in Parsi's use of Albright's term is that she generally used it to refer to U.S. war-making, not peacemaking. In 1998, Albright toured the Middle East and then the United States to rally support for President Clinton's threat to bomb Iraq.

After failing to win support in the Middle East, she was confronted by heckling and critical questions during a televised event at Ohio State University, and she appeared on the Today Show the next morning to respond to public opposition in a more controlled setting.

Albright claimed, "...if we have to use force, it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future, and we see here the danger to all of us. I know that the American men and women in uniform are always prepared to sacrifice for freedom, democracy and the American way of life."

Albright's readiness to take the sacrifices of American troops for granted had already got her into trouble when she famously asked General Colin Powell, "What's the use of having this superb military you're always talking about if we can't use it?" Powell wrote in his memoirs, "I thought I would have an aneurysm."

But Powell himself later caved to the neocons, or the "fucking crazies" as he called them in private, and dutifully read the lies they made up to try to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq to the UN Security Council in February 2003.

For the past 25 years, administrations of both parties have caved to the "crazies" at every turn. Albright and the neocons' exceptionalist rhetoric, now standard fare across the U.S. political spectrum, leads the United States into conflicts all over the world, in an unequivocal, Manichean way that defines the side it supports as the side of good and the other side as evil, foreclosing any chance that the United States can later play the role of an impartial or credible mediator.....

....The tragedy of American diplomacy today is that it is diplomacy for war, not for peace. The State Department's top priorities are not to make peace, nor even to actually win wars, which the United States has failed to do since 1945, apart from the reconquest of small neocolonial outposts in Grenada, Panama, and Kuwait. Its actual priorities are to bully other countries to join U.S.-led war coalitions and buy U.S. weapons, to mute calls for peace in international fora, to enforce illegal and deadly coercive sanctions, and to manipulate other countries into sacrificing their people in U.S. proxy wars.

The result is to keep spreading violence and chaos across the world. If we want to stop our rulers from marching us toward nuclear war, climate catastrophe, and mass extinction, we had better take off our blinders and start insisting on policies that reflect our best instincts and our common interests, instead of the interests of the warmongers and merchants of death who profit from war.
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Russia must release Wall Street Journal journalist Evan Gershkovich | Our view
“The actions of the Russian government are completely unjustified,” Emma Tucker, the Journal’s editor, wrote in a letter to her staff last week. “Evan is a member of the free press who, right up until he was arrested, was engaged in newsgathering. Any suggestions otherwise are false. His sole purpose in his work is to capture issues occurring around the world and to shed light on them so that the public can make informed decisions about how to navigate the future. We continue to call for his immediate release.”

We echo that call.

The Putin regime has no business detaining American journalists.

We join more than 30 news organizations and global press freedom advocacy institutions around the globe in calling for Gershkovich’s immediate release.......

....Gershkovich should be released directly and we urgently call on the Biden administration to pursue his release with all dispatch. Secretary of State Anthony J. Blinken must continue to press his counterparts in Moscow for Gershkovich’s safe release.....
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/16 ... 3778453504
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He's a bargaining chip. Like that basketball player, we'll get him back eventually, but only after we give up another master spy who the Russians can put right back to work compromising national security and/or helping stir up division in the US.

The solution to this problem is simple. Strongly discourage all non-government travel to Russia. You want to go, you're breaking the law and you're on your own.
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At this point, we shouldn't allow anyone into Russia unless they understand they are on their own, and likely to be arrested and imprisoned to give Putin leverage.
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:20 am At this point, we shouldn't allow anyone into Russia unless they understand they are on their own, and likely to be arrested and imprisoned to give Putin leverage.
On Feb 13th, the U.S. State Department issued a travel advisory to Russia.
Do not travel to Russia due to the unpredictable consequences of the unprovoked full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russian military forces, the potential for harassment and the singling out of U.S. citizens for detention by Russian government security officials, the arbitrary enforcement of local law, limited flights into and out of Russia, the Embassy’s limited ability to assist U.S. citizens in Russia, and the possibility of terrorism. U.S. citizens residing or travelling in Russia should depart immediately. Exercise increased caution due to the risk of wrongful detentions.

The U.S. government’s ability to provide routine or emergency services to U.S. citizens in Russia is severely limited, particularly in areas far from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, due to Russian government limitations on travel for embassy personnel and staffing, and the ongoing suspension of operations, including consular services, at U.S. consulates.
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URGENT TRAVEL WARNING

Travel to the United States of America is strongly discouraged. The country is experiencing major sectarian tensions regarding sexuality and firearms regulation, and mass shootings are now a weekly occurrence. Several states are in open defiance of what minimal weapons regulation exists. In addition, many people have expressed a desire to eliminate even the most sensible public health laws, while many others refuse vaccines and other simple precautions.

We can no longer guarantee your safety in the USA, and we recommend that no one travels there.
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:43 pm URGENT TRAVEL WARNING

Travel to the United States of America is strongly discouraged. The country is experiencing major sectarian tensions regarding sexuality and firearms regulation, and mass shootings are now a weekly occurrence. Several states are in open defiance of what minimal weapons regulation exists. In addition, many people have expressed a desire to eliminate even the most sensible public health laws, while many others refuse vaccines and other simple precautions.

We can no longer guarantee your safety in the USA, and we recommend that no one travels there.
I remember when Germany issued a traveling warning to its citizens about traveling to Florida back in 1993.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F0jE1UAdt8

Leaked Pentagon Docs Show U.S. & U.K. Special Forces Already in Ukraine as War Heads to Stalemate
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:43 pm URGENT TRAVEL WARNING

Travel to the United States of America is strongly discouraged. The country is experiencing major sectarian tensions regarding sexuality and firearms regulation, and mass shootings are now a weekly occurrence. Several states are in open defiance of what minimal weapons regulation exists. In addition, many people have expressed a desire to eliminate even the most sensible public health laws, while many others refuse vaccines and other simple precautions.

We can no longer guarantee your safety in the USA, and we recommend that no one travels there.
Isnt there an actual warning for Florida somewhere, US govt?
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Someone put out a travel warning for Florida. I don't think it was the government since the Department of State does those, and its remit is international relations. I think it was an affinity group. Something along the lines of the Green Book, advising racial minorities as to where they might not be welcome.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:54 pm Someone put out a travel warning for Florida. I don't think it was the government since the Department of State does those, and its remit is international relations. I think it was an affinity group. Something along the lines of the Green Book, advising racial minorities as to where they might not be welcome.
I had earlier posted the German government put out a travel warning to Florida back in 1993.

Equity Florida, Florida’s largest LGBTQ civil rights group, put out a travel advisor to the LGBTQ community “ \warning of the risks posed to the health, safety, and freedom of those considering short or long term travel, or relocation to the state.”
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Number6 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:33 pm I had earlier posted the German government put out a travel warning to Florida back in 1993.

Equity Florida, Florida’s largest LGBTQ civil rights group, put out a travel advisor to the LGBTQ community “ \warning of the risks posed to the health, safety, and freedom of those considering short or long term travel, or relocation to the state.”
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OK, sexual minorities. Even worse in Florida.
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Instead of trying to outdo Russia on injustice and authoritarianism

https://twitter.com/RepRashida/status/1 ... 8126830597
Four years ago today, Julian Assange was arrested for publishing the truth.

I’m leading a letter to Attorney General Garland urging him to uphold the freedom of the press by dropping these Trump-era charges and withdrawing the extradition request......
https://twitter.com/kennardmatt/status/ ... 7532347396
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Army identifies 3 soldiers killed in Alaska helicopter crash
.....The U.S. Army announced Friday that it has grounded aviation units for training after 12 soldiers died within the last month in helicopter crashes in Alaska and Kentucky.

“The move grounds all Army aviators, except those participating in critical missions, until they complete the required training,” the Army said in a statement.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAxEnqZt3w
Daniel Ellsberg Warns Risk of Nuclear War Is Rising as Tension Mounts over Ukraine & Taiwan

As we continue our in-depth conversation with Daniel Ellsberg, the famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower talks about his lifelong antiwar activism and responds to the more recent leak of Pentagon documents about the war in Ukraine.

Ellsberg also reflects on the many people who inspired him and says others who look up to his example should know that the sacrifices for building a better world are worth it. "It can work," he says. Ellsberg, who was recently diagnosed with inoperable pancreatic cancer and given just months to live, spoke to Democracy Now! last week from his home in Berkeley, California.
EU wants to ramp up ammunition production to help Ukraine
The 27-nation block now wants to make ammunition at a record pace as war is waged on its doorstep.

Breton said the EU still has a large potential production base, especially in the bloc's east, that could be put to use with a concerted focus.

“I am confident that we could be able to upskill our industrial base to be able to produce at least 1 million (rounds of) ammunition in Europe for Ukraine” over the next year, he said........
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Yeah it's dangerous and scary but none of it would be a concern if not for Russia and Putin, at least not the concern it is now.

Weird how this works, so if we want to avoid disaster we have to let putin have what he wants? What if he wants Switzerland next?
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1. Julian Assange isn't a "journalist." At all. He's a terrorist. More to the point, WikiLeaks is a Russian op served out of Russia. Who was Assange helping in 2016? I bet Motor thinks Ed Snowden is some sort of hero, too.

2. Threats of nuclear war are Russian talking points. Threatening nuclear war if the world doesn't do as Russia says is their standard MO as a terrorist nation. But yah, let's do as they say and let them totally annihilate Ukraine in the name of "peace." Totally ridiculous.
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Drak wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 1:12 pm 1. Julian Assange isn't a "journalist." At all. He's a terrorist. More to the point, WikiLeaks is a Russian op served out of Russia. Who was Assange helping in 2016? I bet Motor thinks Ed Snowden is some sort of hero, too.

2. Threats of nuclear war are Russian talking points. Threatening nuclear war if the world doesn't do as Russia says is their standard MO as a terrorist nation. But yah, let's do as they say and let them totally annihilate Ukraine in the name of "peace." Totally ridiculous.
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