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This is going to be important:
Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw efforts in December 2020 to put forward illegitimate electors from seven states that Trump lost, according to three sources with direct knowledge of the scheme.
The sources said members of former President Donald Trump's campaign team were far more involved than previously known in the plan, a core tenet of the broader plot to overturn President Joe Biden's victory when Congress counted the electoral votes on January 6.
Giuliani and his allies coordinated the nuts-and-bolts of the process on a state-by-state level, the sources told CNN. One source said there were multiple planning calls between Trump campaign officials and GOP state operatives, and that Giuliani participated in at least one call. The source also said the Trump campaign lined up supporters to fill elector slots, secured meeting rooms in statehouses for the fake electors to meet on December 14, 2020, and circulated drafts of fake certificates that were ultimately sent to the National Archives.

Trump and some of his top advisers publicly encouraged the "alternate electors" scheme in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico. But behind the scenes, Giuliani and Trump campaign officials actively choreographed the process, the sources said.
This is all very illegal, forging official documents. I mean, this is all jail-time stuff, for everyone that forged the documents and everyone that put their names on these documents.

And while these folks had all jumped onto the Trump train, almost all of them were party functionaries and elected officials in their states. Most aren't Trumpers that got involved because of Trump.

Now they have all committed felonies, and I think the Justice Department and some states are going to go after them. While it seems that many of Trump's people in DC are more than willing to go to prison for Donald, I don't think these people are. They are going to sing like canaries to keep from going to prison.

This is something to watch closely.
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Maddow has been all over it for weeks now, and CNN has broken a major story or two as well. Much of the evidence seems to be under examination by the 1/6 committee. Confidence is increasing in the idea that all this was part of a comprehensive multi-level offensive that came straight from the drumpf inner circle.
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Yep, and the story keeps growing. They are getting scared and soiling themselves. It's going to be every idiot for themselves, giving up Rudy and the others while their evidence is still valuable.
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Here are the actual forms that were sent in

https://www.americanoversight.org/ameri ... p-electors

Here are the official certificates.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

Delusional hardly describes it.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:28 pm Here are the actual forms that were sent in

https://www.americanoversight.org/ameri ... p-electors

Here are the official certificates.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

Delusional hardly describes it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: That's why we aren't describing it as delusional. This was a bunch in intentionally seditious felonies.

Many of them signed their names as if they were signing the Declaration of Independence.

They want to overthrow the government of the United States and destroy the Constitution.

They all need to be in prison - up to and including Donald Trump.
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gounion wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:24 pm This is going to be important:



This is all very illegal, forging official documents. I mean, this is all jail-time stuff, for everyone that forged the documents and everyone that put their names on these documents.

And while these folks had all jumped onto the Trump train, almost all of them were party functionaries and elected officials in their states. Most aren't Trumpers that got involved because of Trump.

Now they have all committed felonies, and I think the Justice Department and some states are going to go after them. While it seems that many of Trump's people in DC are more than willing to go to prison for Donald, I don't think these people are. They are going to sing like canaries to keep from going to prison.

This is something to watch closely.
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Had they not used images of the state seals what they did would be laughable and probably just result in a fine. However, they did use the state seals to pass off their "documents" as the real thing and that's what's getting them neck deep in doo-doo.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:52 pm Had they not used images of the state seals what they did would be laughable and probably just result in a fine. However, they did use the state seals to pass off their "documents" as the real thing and that's what's getting them neck deep in doo-doo.
One really does have to wonder at the intelligence of these WSs. I mean, I get that they're arrogant enough to think they'd get away with their ultimate goals. But it's like, dang, my bff's 15 year old has MUCH stronger Photoshop skills than whoever these clowns are getting.

This isn't a rhetorical question, because I genuinely wonder. Who do they think they are fooling with this type of crap?
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carmenjonze wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:11 pm One really does have to wonder at the intelligence of these WSs. I mean, I get that they're arrogant enough to think they'd get away with their ultimate goals. But it's like, dang, my bff's 15 year old has MUCH stronger Photoshop skills than whoever these clowns are getting.

This isn't a rhetorical question, because I genuinely wonder. Who do they think they are fooling with this type of crap?
They were doing the bidding of Trump and Rudy.

So, they should have known it was illegal, eh?
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While I agree that this should be illegal but according to your link it probably wasn't.
So your statement in your first sentence is more opinion than fact.
According to your link the Pennsylvania AG said no laws were violated and apparently the Michigan AG was just making a political statement.
Apparently the trump organization knew how to do this while not violating any actual laws.
What is sad is had this happened in a time when our country wasn't so divided illegal or not trump would be the most reviled person in American history since Benedict Arnold
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Do It.

The 59 Republicans Who Joined Electoral Voter Fraud Scheme For Trump Could Face Prison

WASHINGTON ― Dozens of local and state Republican leaders who showed their loyalty to Donald Trump by casting fake electoral votes for him a year ago may now face prison time in return for that devotion.

Because as the House select committee investigating the U.S. Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, starts to look into the origins of the scheme to send “alternate” ballots to Congress from states narrowly won by Joe Biden, the 59 ersatz Trump electors who claimed to be “duly elected and qualified” could face federal charges ranging from election fraud to mail fraud, in addition to a range of state-level charges.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fake-ele ... e5f513fa73
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:04 am While I agree that this should be illegal but according to your link it probably wasn't.
So your statement in your first sentence is more opinion than fact.
According to your link the Pennsylvania AG said no laws were violated and apparently the Michigan AG was just making a political statement.
Apparently the trump organization knew how to do this while not violating any actual laws.
What is sad is had this happened in a time when our country wasn't so divided illegal or not trump would be the most reviled person in American history since Benedict Arnold
Ah, so Trump is a VICTIM. We're sooooo mean to him.

Well if nothing was done illegally, then why is the DoJ investigating?
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Number6 wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:52 pm Had they not used images of the state seals what they did would be laughable and probably just result in a fine. However, they did use the state seals to pass off their "documents" as the real thing and that's what's getting them neck deep in doo-doo.
https://www.americanoversight.org/ameri ... p-electors

I don’t see a state seal on these.
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:08 am https://www.americanoversight.org/ameri ... p-electors

I don’t see a state seal on these.
You're quite the Keyboard Kammando for Trump! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Shit just got serious. Jan 6th Committee just dropped subpoenas for false electors in seven states.
Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) today announced that, as part of its investigation into the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol and its causes, the Select Committee has issued subpoenas to 14 individuals who participated as purported “alternate electors” for former President Trump. The committee is seeking information from individuals who met and submitted purported Electoral-College certificates in seven states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

Chairman Thompson issued the following statement:

“The Select Committee is seeking information about attempts in multiple states to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including the planning and coordination of efforts to send false slates of electors to the National Archives. We believe the individuals we have subpoenaed today have information about how these so-called alternate electors met and who was behind that scheme. We encourage them to cooperate with the Select Committee’s investigation to get answers about January 6th for the American people and help ensure nothing like that day ever happens again.”

The Select Committee has obtained information that groups of individuals met on December 14th, 2020 in seven states carried by President Biden, then submitted bogus slates of Electoral-College votes for former President Trump. The so-called alternate electors from those states then transmitted the purported Electoral-College certificates to Congress, which multiple people advising former President Trump or his campaign used to justify delaying or blocking the certification of the election during the Joint Session of Congress on January 6th, 2021.

The Select Committee subpoenaed individuals listed as chairperson and secretary of each group of alternate electors:

Nancy Cottle, Chairperson, Arizona
Loraine B. Pellegrino, Secretary, Arizona
David Shafer, Chairperson, Georgia
Shawn Still, Secretary, Georgia
Kathy Berden, Chairperson, Michigan
Mayra Rodriguez, Secretary, Michigan
Jewll Powdrell, Chairperson, New Mexico
Deborah W. Maestas, Secretary, New Mexico
Michael J. McDonald, Chairperson, Nevada
James DeGraffenreid, Secretary, Nevada
Bill Bachenberg, Chairperson, Pennsylvania
Lisa Patton, Secretary, Pennsylvania
Andrew Hitt, Chairperson, Wisconsin
Kelly Ruh, Secretary, Wisconsin
These people are in deep shit.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:28 pm Here are the actual forms that were sent in

https://www.americanoversight.org/ameri ... p-electors

Here are the official certificates.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

Delusional hardly describes it.
Americanoversight.org is RW Pro-Traitor Site.

National Archives has already began an investigation in the false/forged documents they received.

Republicans in 7 States submitted documents Falsely Certifing The Flection for Trump. Most State Attorneys General Are Investigating If It Constitutes Fraud.

https://www.businessinsider.com/republi ... ump-2022-S.

Watch the clip from Rachel Maddow, you will see State Seals on the Election Documents.

https://www.americanoversight.org/fake- ... d-scrutiny

Ghouli Oversaw State Effort To Send Fake Electors To Declare Trump Victory In 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 97683.html.

Yes, there state seals. Yes green is trolling.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:26 pm Americanoversight.org is RW Pro-Traitor Site.

National Archives has already began an investigation in the false/forged documents they received.

Republicans in 7 States submitted documents Falsely Certifing The Flection for Trump. Most State Attorneys General Are Investigating If It Constitutes Fraud.

https://www.businessinsider.com/republi ... ump-2022-S.

Watch the clip from Rachel Maddow, you will see State Seals on the Election Documents.

https://www.americanoversight.org/fake- ... d-scrutiny

Ghouli Oversaw State Effort To Send Fake Electors To Declare Trump Victory In 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 97683.html.

Yes, there state seals. Yes green is trolling.
You should probably watch it again. Maybe two or three times. Pay very close attention. The five images, some which have seals, are the real state documents. Pay very close attention to the part where she says the real document is on the left and the fake one on the right. You won’t see any state seals on the documents on the right which she correctly identify as fake.
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One of the people who received a subpoena is Bill Bachenberg, a member of the NRA board since 2005. Not surprising, as we all know how corrupt the NRA is, and how they've been hip deep in with Russia for some time now.

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Looks like he didn't have the money or pull to get an actual pic with Trump, so he poses with a cardboard cutout.

Boy, the GOP is so fucking pathetic, aren't they?
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:48 pm You should probably watch it again. Maybe two or three times. Pay very close attention. The five images, some which have seals, are the real state documents. Pay very close attention to the part where she says the real document is on the left and the fake one on the right. You won’t see any state seals on the documents on the right which she correctly identify as fake.
I watched clip several and there are seals. Why did you post a Pro-Traitor website?
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The clip is paused at 0.01 of the clip. As you can clearly see, there are state seals on three of the five forged documents. Each of the documents on the screen have been certified, even though they are forged. Which is a felony. Why did you post from RW Pro-Traitor Website?
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January 6th. Committee Subpoenas Fake Traitor Electors In Seven States.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-sieg ... 734a9d55ab

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol insurrection subpoenaed more than a dozen individuals Friday who it says falsely tried to declare Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 election in seven swing states.

The panel is demanding information and testimony from 14 people who it says allegedly met and submitted false Electoral College certificates declaring Trump the winner of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to a letter from Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the committee’s Democratic chairman. President Joe Biden won all seven states.

We believe the individuals we have subpoenaed today have information about how these so-called alternate electors met and who was behind that scheme,” Thompson said in the letter. “We encourage them to cooperate with the Select Committee’s investigation to get answers about January 6th for the American people and help ensure nothing like that day ever happens again.”

The forged documents where certified as legitimate. State Seals were attached, making the forgeries a felony.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:37 pm I watched clip several and there are seals. Why did you post a Pro-Traitor website?
They got these through the freedom of information act. These are legit. If there are ACTUAL state seals on them, the SecState has a LOT to answer for.

Now, they could be fake seals.

But let's be clear: This is the coup attempt that goes right to Trump, and he can't weasel out of this. He was wanting Pence to accept these fake electors as real. This is sedition, pure and simple, and everyone that signed to be an elector is guilty.
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Full on coup.
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Look at the whole clip, all of it. Seals are shown. Properly dated and submitted. The people made these forged documents signed like it the goddamn Declaration of Independence Days and the signing of the fucking Constitution.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:00 pm Look at the whole clip, all of it. Seals are shown. Properly dates and submitted.
From what I've been able to find out, there's a seal on Arizona, and it may be the actual seal. The others might be fake seals. Not that hard to have made.

But again, ALL the "electors" that signed their names are criminally liable, and most are big party people and NOT Trumpers per se, and I think they won't be going to jail for Trump. I'd say they're all running straight to the DoJ to give up any and everyone they can, in an effort to keep out of jail themselves. And it goes right up to Trump.
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