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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:39 pm Way to go photos only what 60+ years old.
Also known as the old days to guys like Greengrass.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:40 pm Not hard at all. Now if they supported left wing extremist positions like all other unions you would be of a different opinion
No, it’s not about politics. It’s about human and Constitutional rights of our citizens.

Unlike YOU, I don’t put ideology over our Nation and the Constitution.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:42 pm No, it’s not about politics. It’s about human and Constitutional rights of our citizens.

Unlike YOU, I don’t put ideology over our Nation and the Constitution.

Sure you do beginning with the one party government you desire
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:57 pm Sure you do beginning with the one party government you desire
I don’t desire it. But I’m not a Trumper either. I don’t defend the indefensible. I’m not a insurrection apologist. You voted for more than one insurrectionists.

So I’d suggest you don’t attack someone else’s patriotism.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:02 pm I don’t desire it. But I’m not a Trumper either. I don’t defend the indefensible. I’m not a insurrection apologist. You voted for more than one insurrectionists.

So I’d suggest you don’t attack someone else’s patriotism.
You have been a voter for over 45 years and following politics for about 55 years.

In every election in those 55 years the democrats have been the better choice in every election.
No matter the city, state, district or contest but, you don't desire a one party government
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:16 pm You have been a voter for over 45 years and following politics for about 55 years.

In every election in those 55 years the democrats have been the better choice in every election.
No matter the city, state, district or contest but, you don't desire a one party government
Nope. Unlike you, I can respect some from the other party. For instance, what Bush the First did in the Gulf War, where he brought the free world together against Saddam, but didn’t invade Iraq like you guys on the right demanded they do.

Or when Reagan made his remarks after the Challenger disaster.

But you hate Dems and everything they do. You happily lie about them.

And you support the people that tried to overturn a fair and free election.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:32 pm Nope. Unlike you, I can respect some from the other party. For instance, what Bush the First did in the Gulf War, where he brought the free world together against Saddam, but didn’t invade Iraq like you guys on the right demanded they do.

Or when Reagan made his remarks after the Challenger disaster.

But you hate Dems and everything they do. You happily lie about them.

And you support the people that tried to overturn a fair and free election.
Except unlike me you have never voted for or supported a candidate from the other party.
Even the Maryland governor who had a 65pct approval number in a state that is 65pct democrats
And again with the you hate comment. In poker we call that a tell
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:49 am Except unlike me you have never voted for or supported a candidate from the other party.
Even the Maryland governor who had a 65pct approval number in a state that is 65pct democrats
And again with the you hate comment. In poker we call that a tell
You think that Democrats will destroy the country, so anything to keep us out of power is acceptable, even a coup.

You believe everything Trump says.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:52 am You think that Democrats will destroy the country, so anything to keep us out of power is acceptable, even a coup.

You believe everything Trump says.
Again lying liberals got to lie.

Let's review

I said that liberals will unintentionally destroy our country while enacting an agenda they believe will strengthen our country.
While you said and believe.
Conservatives want and will destroy our country by design.

And of course I have never supported a coup and we have never had a coup.
But lying liberals got to lie
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:03 am Again lying liberals got to lie.

Let's review

I said that liberals will unintentionally destroy our country while enacting an agenda they believe will strengthen our country.
While you said and believe.
Conservatives want and will destroy our country by design.

And of course I have never supported a coup and we have never had a coup.
But lying liberals got to lie
Nope Trump never did anything. The elections are rigged, and Trump never tried to keep Biden from becoming President.

Just like a Republican.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:11 am Nope Trump never did anything. The elections are rigged, and Trump never tried to keep Biden from becoming President.

Just like a Republican.
Trump Trump Trump
When liberals are proven wrong or losing an argument flow chart
1 claim racist or homophobic or some similar label
2 if number 1 doesn't apply cry hatred
3 if 1 and 2 don't apply say Trump
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:22 am Trump Trump Trump
When liberals are proven wrong or losing an argument flow chart
1 claim racist or homophobic or some similar label
2 if number 1 doesn't apply cry hatred
3 if 1 and 2 don't apply say Trump
If the shoe fits…
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:03 am

And of course I have never supported a coup and we have never had a coup.
But lying liberals got to lie
Yes, there was an attempted coup.

Constantly denying J6 happened, trying to cover it up, and voting for Trump seditionists, means you support it. Just like you’re doing again here.

The person who lies in these parts, all the time, is you.
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gounion wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:18 am See qualified immunity. And yes, the unions DO protect them from illegal activities. They keep the cops employed when they should be fired for cause.
Qualified Immunity is nothing more than a protection for government employees from a barrage of frivolous civil law suits. Injured parties still have the right to successfully sue the appropriate government agency.

Without qualified immunity cops would forever be in court because of idiots like you who are constantly frivolously offended.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:39 pm What an ignorant thing to say.
It’s pretty much standard for him.
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Bludogdem wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:29 am Qualified Immunity is nothing more than a protection for government employees from a barrage of frivolous civil law suits. Injured parties still have the right to successfully sue the appropriate government agency.

Without qualified immunity cops would forever be in court because of idiots like you who are constantly frivolously offended.
No, it means that they aren’t held accountable in court for their actions, as any other citizen would be.

Even the far-right CATO Institution says qualified immunity hurts law enforcement. https://www.cato.org/study/how-qualifie ... nforcement
Invented by the Supreme Court in the late 1960s, qualified immunity is a judicial doctrine that shields state actors from liability from their misconduct, even when they break the law. The standard itself uses illogical rules that effectively prevent police officers from being sued for unconstitutional misconduct unless the plaintiff can identify a preexisting case with nearly identical facts. But since cases barred by qualified immunity are dismissed before trial, the precedent the doctrine demands is rarely set.

A Reuters study showed that courts have been increasingly willing to grant qualified immunity to police officers accused of using excessive force. In many cases, judges dismiss the case because they don’t believe officers used excessive force. But in a growing category of cases, the question of excessive force is immaterial: judges grant police immunity from suit under the arbitrary logic of qualified immunity.

But the doctrine of qualified immunity provides an out for a different class of officers: officers whose misconduct would be otherwise indefensible. That, in turn, provides a judicial blessing for departments to keep unethical officers on the force—leaving good cops in bad company.

The facts behind cases where qualified immunity is invoked are often alarming.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:41 am No, it means that they aren’t held accountable in court for their actions, as any other citizen would be.

Even the far-right CATO Institution says qualified immunity hurts law enforcement. https://www.cato.org/study/how-qualifie ... nforcement
Police have to have implied immunity bit there also should be limitations
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:32 am Police have to have implied immunity bit there also should be limitations
QUALIFIED, not implied.

And no, I think that until we can trust our police, we just need to do away with it, along with union protections.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:56 am QUALIFIED, not implied.

And no, I think that until we can trust our police, we just need to do away with it, along with union protections.
Why are you anti police union. They are exactly the same as all unions. Protect the worse and least qualified.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:21 pm Why are you anti police union. They are exactly the same as all unions. Protect the worse and least qualified.
I don’t agree with the last sentence but I don’t see that police unions are any different from any other public service unions. Their job is to protect the rights of those they represent. That is their business. Those are their clients.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:21 pm Why are you anti police union. They are exactly the same as all unions. Protect the worse and least qualified.
Not true, of course.

But other unions puts federal, state and local law outside of the union contracts. You go in and shoot up your shop, the union won’t protect you. But a cop can trample all over citizen rights, and the union protects them.

I say that covering up for breaking the law should be outside the purview of a union contract.
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There is a reason why we call authoritarian regimes "police states".

In general, they tend to favor unfettered powers for the police, who of course are agents of the state.

Therefore, those who support limiting police powers, like liberals, are anti-authoritarian.

I'm glad this matter could be cleared up. :D
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ProfX wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:40 pm There is a reason why we call authoritarian regimes "police states".

In general, they tend to favor unfettered powers for the police, who of course are agents of the state.

Therefore, those who support limiting police powers, like liberals, are anti-authoritarian.

I'm glad this matter could be cleared up. :D
I don't believe cops should ever be our masters. Period.

The right wants it because it's no middle-class white males that are the targets. It's the minorities they WANT to see kept in line.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:45 pm I don't believe cops should ever be our masters. Period.

The right wants it because it's no middle-class white males that are the targets. It's the minorities they WANT to see kept in line.
Well since the recent Memphis killing was primarily African American cops you can't go with your usual it's white cops wanting to kill blacks.
You switch to this.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:50 pm Well since the recent Memphis killing was primarily African American cops you can't go with your usual it's white cops wanting to kill blacks.
You switch to this.
Did you see the difference on the right with this case? They were defending the hell out of Derick Chauvin, and blaming it all on George Floyd.

But hell, they're happy as hell to fry black cops.

Don't worry, when the next cop to murder a black man or woman, they'll go right back to the way they were.

I was really proud of the Memphis Police Chief. Just a few weeks, she comes out and fires the cops, calls them murderers, and charges them.

Not the months it takes when it's white cops.
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