Best. Rose. Bowl. Ever.

[Bludogdem]

It’s not uncommon for scholarship athletes to get 5 years with a red shirt year.

The schools provide powerful tutoring programs for student athletes.

The universities want the athletes to obtain a degree. It’s common for the schools to provide scholarships after the athlete exhausts eligibility. Often into a sixth year. There’s tons of scholarship and grant money available to minorities to finish the degree.

There’s a 20 hour per week on athletic activities time restriction. 8 hours in offseason. 1 day off per week.

Student athletes routinely attend summer school and build up hours so they can lighten in season load.

Athletes who graduate routinely get scholarships for masters programs.

These are people with a very strong work ethic.

[gounion]

It’s not uncommon for scholarship athletes to get 5 years with a red shirt year.

The schools provide powerful tutoring programs for student athletes.

The universities want the athletes to obtain a degree. It’s common for the schools to provide scholarships after the athlete exhausts eligibility. Often into a sixth year. There’s tons of scholarship and grant money available to minorities to finish the degree.

There’s a 20 hour per week on athletic activities time restriction. 8 hours in offseason. 1 day off per week.

Student athletes routinely attend summer school and build up hours so they can lighten in season load.

Athletes who graduate routinely get scholarships for masters programs.

These are people with a very strong work ethic.

Tell me why they just can't let the athletes finish their degree when their eligibility is up. Then they don't have to hire all kinds of tutors.

Give me ONE good reason that they can't do that ONE thing that would ensure a better educational outcome for the players.

I'm waitingx

Back in the nineties, my then-girlfriend's cousin married a guy who played on a winning team of the college world series. He was a very smart guy, who was going for a hard business degree. He had to go for a full year on his own dime afterwards - he's the one that told me that no one could get a REAL college education - not just the paper, but the knowledge - while playing at that level. Now, there might be a genius or two that can, but he sure couldn't.

And I'm sorry, I'm betting that the Alabama and Georgia players weren't just doing 20 hours a week. Not in reality. Too much money involved. Eight hours a week in the off season? Hell, they have to spend more time than that in the weight room to keep in the top shape they have to.

[Bludogdem]

Tell me why they just can't let the athletes finish their degree when their eligibility is up. Then they don't have to hire all kinds of tutors.

Give me ONE good reason that they can't do that ONE thing that would ensure a better educational outcome for the players.

I'm waitingx

Back in the nineties, my then-girlfriend's cousin married a guy who played on a winning team of the college world series. He was a very smart guy, who was going for a hard business degree. He had to go for a full year on his own dime afterwards - he's the one that told me that no one could get a REAL college education - not just the paper, but the knowledge - while playing at that level. Now, there might be a genius or two that can, but he sure couldn't.

And I'm sorry, I'm betting that the Alabama and Georgia players weren't just doing 20 hours a week. Not in reality. Too much money involved. Eight hours a week in the off season? Hell, they have to spend more time than that in the weight room to keep in the top shape they have to.

As I pointed out, universities want athletes to graduate and accommodate them post eligibility, if the athlete wants to continue. Red shirt 5 year athletic scholarships. After eligibility, grants and scholarships are available. Especially for minorities.

Typical off season weight room training is 3 days a week 50-70 Minutes. In season 2 Days a week 25-40 minutes. Teams have certified training staff to insure they don’t overtrain. Excess training is counterproductive.


98% of the 500,000 student athletes do not have an athletic scholarship. Yet athlete graduate at much higher levels than non athlete students.

[gounion]

As I pointed out, universities want athletes to graduate and accommodate them post eligibility, if the athlete wants to continue. Red shirt 5 year athletic scholarships. After eligibility, grants and scholarships are available. Especially for minorities.

Typical off season weight room training is 3 days a week 50-70 Minutes. In season 2 Days a week 25-40 minutes. Teams have certified training staff to insure they don’t overtrain. Excess training is counterproductive.


98% of the 500,000 student athletes do not have an athletic scholarship. Yet athlete graduate at much higher levels than non athlete students.

You can't answer my question.

Again, everyone gets rich but the players. And it's hilarious that you say college players only train an hour or less a day, but NFL players will train 4-5 hours a day.

Seems "excess training" ISN'T counterproductive as soon as they're out of college.

You just make it up as you go, don't you?

The players are exploited. The very least the NCAA could do is to offer them all the education they want after their playing days are done. Yet you don't want to do that. Why is that?

Now, to me, I say let them unionize and bargain. As Americans, I think that since lots of people are getting rich off their labor, they should be allowed to profit themselves.

But let's be clear: Most players aren't playing for the degree. They're playing for an NFL (or NBA) Contract. The reason that baseball in college isn't a big deal is that the MLB doesn't consider college the minor leagues - players can sign MLB contracts out of high school, and go into the minors right away and develop. No college required.

If you don't want to pay the players, then I think that everyone around the players shouldn't be overpaid. No reason the head of the NCAA should make millions of dollars a year, since it's supposed to be all about "amateurs" anyway, right? And coaches can make what other teachers make.

Then colleges can go back to be halls of learning, instead of running sports leagues.

[Bludogdem]

Weight training.

Alabama University and University of Georgia graduation rates

https://thesportsledger.com/alabama-gra ... 01-191.htm

https://georgiadogs.com/news/2020/11/17 ... -rate.aspx

Note the 2-3 sessions per week here:
https://www.verywellfit.com/football-we ... am-3498748

[gounion]

Weight training.

Alabama University and University of Georgia graduation rates

https://thesportsledger.com/alabama-gra ... 01-191.htm

https://georgiadogs.com/news/2020/11/17 ... -rate.aspx

Note the 2-3 sessions per week here:
https://www.verywellfit.com/football-we ... am-3498748

Deflection. It's like with the airlines - if you're banged for not meeting stated arrival times, then change the arrival times. Yeah, they're graduating them. Doesn't mean they get a REAL college education. Why not let them come back after their eligibility is up so they can pay attention to their studies?

NFL Players train 4-5 hours A DAY.

You're fucking hilarious. You haven't changed, Green Grass.

[Bludogdem]

Deflection. It's like with the airlines - if you're banged for not meeting stated arrival times, then change the arrival times. Yeah, they're graduating them. Doesn't mean they get a REAL college education. Why not let them come back after their eligibility is up so they can pay attention to their studies?

NFL Players train 4-5 hours A DAY.

You're fucking hilarious. You haven't changed, Green Grass.

College athletes aren’t pro’s. They spend less time in the weight rooms. Time commitment is regulated by ncaa and university rules. The athletes are disciplined. As I said 98% are not on athletic scholarship. They play because they love it. Their degrees are legit.

The universities provide tutors because of the sorry public high schools some of these athletes experienced.

And, as opposed to the past, universities currently provide for athletes who have completed eligibility to get grants and scholarships to finish if the athlete choose to continue. The universities are invested in high graduation rates for scholarship athletes. Its not like it was 20 years ago.

For Pro’s it’s their highly paid job.

[gounion]

College athletes aren’t pro’s. They spend less time in the weight rooms. Time commitment is regulated by ncaa and university rules. The athletes are disciplined. As I said 98% are not on athletic scholarship. They play because they love it. Their degrees are legit.

They ARE pros - and you can tell when they go into the NFL and light things up in their first year. And I'll bet most players are in an off-campus gym. Cheating is rife within the NCAA, as it is in all sports. Don't pretend it doesn't happen.

The universities provide tutors because of the sorry public high schools some of these athletes experienced.

Yeah, tutor to pass the tests and slip them the answers. After all, the tutor doesn't make as much if the player flunks.

You know why I know it's a rigged game? How many players are disqualified for flunking a test? How often does THAT happen? Of course, we know it does happen - there's no way it couldn't. Yet they're all playing, game after game.

Ergo, rigged game.

And, as opposed to the past, universities currently provide for athletes who have completed eligibility to get grants and scholarships to finish if the athlete choose to continue. The universities are invested in high graduation rates for scholarship athletes. Its not like it was 20 years ago.

For Pro’s it’s their highly paid job.

Big lie on your 98% crap. Nearly ALL of the major sports players ARE on scholarship. THESE are the ones I'm talking about. The track coach doesn't make $5 million a year, and the college doesn't make millions of revenue off of them.

Fine - we'll have it your way. Let's take ALL of the players OFF scholarship, pay the coaches what the track coach makes, and I'll be fine.

And it's NOT about poor high schools. It's about these players aren't interested in the degree - they want an NFL or NBA contract and that's the only way to get one. That's why so many of them drop early and go into the draft, and why they are changing schools all the time now that the rules allow it. They don't care about their college, they want the best chance of playing so they can get drafted.

That's why most MLB players didn't go to college - they went straight to the MLB. Only reason college football and basketball EXIST is because the pros won't sign them out of high school. You don't watch a baseball game and the players tell you what college they came from.

And the colleges are just invested because they caught heat for NOT graduating players. Now they give them bullshit degrees.

[Glennfs]

It really is astonishing the arguments they make. They don’t change.

And the free college education is false, too. It’s only free as long as you produce. If you don’t live up to expectations or are injured, your scholarship is pulled. And of course, if you don’t finish your degree before your scholarship runs out, your free education ends. I had a friend who was on a national championship baseball team, and he paid for a full year after to finish a high-level business degree. He said you just can’t keep up studies full time and train and play at a national championship level. Yes, there ARE geniuses who can do it, but it’s quite exceptional.

You’d think the ONE thing the NCAA would do could be to guarantee they could finish a degree, even if their scholarship is pulled or runs out. After all, there really isn’t a cost to the university. Just one more seat in the class.

It’s astonishing conservatives are the ones saying that USA citizens shouldn’t be able to profit off their skills. But then to them, the are just the worker class, or worse, they’re just trained animals to perform, like racehorses. As long as they are housed and fed, you can do anything you want to them, right?

https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... -buckeyes/

Maybe since so many college athletes are POC you on the left simply don't believe blacks are smart enough to play ball and get an education

[gounion]

https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... -buckeyes/

Maybe since so many college athletes are POC you on the left simply don't believe blacks are smart enough to play ball and get an education

Most players can't devote full time to studying for a degree and playing at the top levels of their sport. White OR black.

But remember, you are the one that doesn't feel that undeserving blacks should be admitted to college over "more qualified whites" (your words, not mine).

Too bad the university won't let his football scholarship pay for his master's degree too. That would be only right, wouldn't it?