Democrats Might Want to Put Her in Charge
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“ Democratic strategist says her party has lost ‘common sense’ and the ability to speak to ‘normal people“
“ Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky hit the party over what she said is a lack of “common sense” and an inability to “speak to people like they’re normal” just days after Vice President Harris’s loss in the presidential election.
“This is not Joe Biden’s fault, it’s not Kamala Harris’s fault, it’s not Barack Obama’s fault, it is the fault of the Democratic party not knowing how to communicate effectively to voters,” Roginsky said during a Thursday interview on CNN, as highlighted by Mediaite.”
“We are not the party of common sense, which is the message that voters sent to us. For a number of reasons, for a number of reasons, we don’t know how to speak to voters,” she added.
Roginsky continued, using the way the party addresses certain groups of voters as examples.
“When we are too afraid to say that, ‘Hey, college kids, if you’re trashing a campus of Columbia University because you aren’t happy about some sort of policy and you’re taking over a university and you’re trashing it and preventing other students from learning that that is unacceptable.’ But we’re so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don’t know what to say,” Roginsky said.”
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“ Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky hit the party over what she said is a lack of “common sense” and an inability to “speak to people like they’re normal” just days after Vice President Harris’s loss in the presidential election.
“This is not Joe Biden’s fault, it’s not Kamala Harris’s fault, it’s not Barack Obama’s fault, it is the fault of the Democratic party not knowing how to communicate effectively to voters,” Roginsky said during a Thursday interview on CNN, as highlighted by Mediaite.”
“We are not the party of common sense, which is the message that voters sent to us. For a number of reasons, for a number of reasons, we don’t know how to speak to voters,” she added.
Roginsky continued, using the way the party addresses certain groups of voters as examples.
“When we are too afraid to say that, ‘Hey, college kids, if you’re trashing a campus of Columbia University because you aren’t happy about some sort of policy and you’re taking over a university and you’re trashing it and preventing other students from learning that that is unacceptable.’ But we’re so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don’t know what to say,” Roginsky said.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... al-people/
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Wow, you sure aren't a Trump supporter, are you?Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:58 pm “ Democratic strategist says her party has lost ‘common sense’ and the ability to speak to ‘normal people“
“ Democratic strategist Julie Roginsky hit the party over what she said is a lack of “common sense” and an inability to “speak to people like they’re normal” just days after Vice President Harris’s loss in the presidential election.
“This is not Joe Biden’s fault, it’s not Kamala Harris’s fault, it’s not Barack Obama’s fault, it is the fault of the Democratic party not knowing how to communicate effectively to voters,” Roginsky said during a Thursday interview on CNN, as highlighted by Mediaite.”
“We are not the party of common sense, which is the message that voters sent to us. For a number of reasons, for a number of reasons, we don’t know how to speak to voters,” she added.
Roginsky continued, using the way the party addresses certain groups of voters as examples.
“When we are too afraid to say that, ‘Hey, college kids, if you’re trashing a campus of Columbia University because you aren’t happy about some sort of policy and you’re taking over a university and you’re trashing it and preventing other students from learning that that is unacceptable.’ But we’re so worried about alienating one or another cohort in our coalition that we don’t know what to say,” Roginsky said.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... al-people/
Nice of you to TrumpSplain it all to us.
Everything is to blame on the Democrats. Got it.
Idiot.
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Fuck you.Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:09 pm That’s a Democratic strategist explaining it. Reading and comprehension, dude, reading and comprehension.
I understand it fine. You got one strategist saying something, and you want to pretend that's the final word and she's a genius, just because it says what YOU want it to say.
Yeah, you guys want to turn over a new leaf and start again, playing nice. You don't have the ability to do so.
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“ Congressman Adam Smith, a Democrat in Washington’s ninth district which spans much of King County, is wasting no time writing the autopsy for his party’s 2024 White House bid. Smith says “without a shadow of a doubt” Tuesday’s results show the left-leaning party is “out of touch.” He believes the realities that played out in liberal-leaning places like Seattle since the pandemic played out more of a cautionary tale than an advertisement for the rest of the nation.
“Most of the rest of the country can see what’s happened in the Seattle-King County area in terms of our problems with crime, homelessness, and drug abuse,” Smith said.”
“ Smith says the progressive path forward is a more simplistic message. A message he says needs to have more broad appeal.
“Are you going to have a nominee that is reflective of the broad country, or reflective of those narrow portions that reflect the far left?” Smith said.
Smith looks at the issues of public safety and the defund the police movement, the calls by some on the more left-leaning sects of his party to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and criminal justice reform that fails to hold people accountable to the level the nation’s electorate desires.
“My frustration is that the folks on the left never seem to want to adjust, Smith said. “You look at my voting record, I’m pretty far left on a whole bunch of issues. I believe in progressive priorities, but I believe in personal responsibility, results, and hard work as well. And those things are not incompatible.”
“I want opportunity for all, I want to confront racism, sexism, bigotry, and bias, but you got to do it in a sensible, commonsense way, which we are not doing,” Smith continued.”
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“Most of the rest of the country can see what’s happened in the Seattle-King County area in terms of our problems with crime, homelessness, and drug abuse,” Smith said.”
“ Smith says the progressive path forward is a more simplistic message. A message he says needs to have more broad appeal.
“Are you going to have a nominee that is reflective of the broad country, or reflective of those narrow portions that reflect the far left?” Smith said.
Smith looks at the issues of public safety and the defund the police movement, the calls by some on the more left-leaning sects of his party to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and criminal justice reform that fails to hold people accountable to the level the nation’s electorate desires.
“My frustration is that the folks on the left never seem to want to adjust, Smith said. “You look at my voting record, I’m pretty far left on a whole bunch of issues. I believe in progressive priorities, but I believe in personal responsibility, results, and hard work as well. And those things are not incompatible.”
“I want opportunity for all, I want to confront racism, sexism, bigotry, and bias, but you got to do it in a sensible, commonsense way, which we are not doing,” Smith continued.”
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/where- ... WH2Y7YHME/
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Yeah, we're just not into that hate, misogyny, racism and white supremacy thing. We just gotta get with the times, right?
Sorry, I know my history. I really don't care if you want a dictator that pisses all over the Constitution. I'm not going to be on board.
I guess you'll end up having to send me to the re-education camps like Trump's learning about from his pal Vlad.
I'm going to stick to my principles.
Sorry, I know my history. I really don't care if you want a dictator that pisses all over the Constitution. I'm not going to be on board.
I guess you'll end up having to send me to the re-education camps like Trump's learning about from his pal Vlad.
I'm going to stick to my principles.
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It may well be that this election is a reflection of a party that is simply “Too WOKE”!
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WOKE equaling "anti-white supremacy". The proposition that running a black woman will just piss off the white supremacists.Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:35 pm It may well be that this election is a reflection of a party that is simply “Too WOKE”!
Then I'm too woke. I'll take my principles any day.
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Again, I'll stand against authoritarians like Donald J. Trump.
I guess Germans in the 40's had a decision too. Many found it easier to go along to get along.
I won't. I'm sure if it came down to putting opposition into "re-education camps" you'd gladly give my name and address if you had it.
And I guess I'd be going. I won't pledge allegiance to the MAGA like you would happily do.
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There is nothing from either the congressman or the strategist that suggests sacrificing principle. Nothing. They’re simply talking common sense. It’s a good bit of forensics.
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I love it when Republicans like you cherry pick Dems views to try to tell us how we should do things. You have our best interests at heart, don't you?Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:01 pm There is nothing from either the congressman or the strategist that suggests sacrificing principle. Nothing. They’re simply talking common sense. It’s a good bit of forensics.



Sorry, no white supremacy for me. That's your thing, I guess. I will stand against it.
Well, you can tell me we should never support black women again if we want to win elections. Sorry, but I'm not interested in telling people their sex and color disqualifies them.
I think America should be better than that. But maybe, as long as we have Republicans, we never can be.
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Neither of them have said anything remotely what you are implying. And they clearly are far deeper into the Democratic Party than you. It’s refreshing honesty.gounion wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:06 pm I love it when Republicans like you cherry pick Dems views to try to tell us how we should do things. You have our best interests at heart, don't you?![]()
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Sorry, no white supremacy for me. That's your thing, I guess. I will stand against it.
Well, you can tell me we should never support black women again if we want to win elections. Sorry, but I'm not interested in telling people their sex and color disqualifies them.
I think America should be better than that. But maybe, as long as we have Republicans, we never can be.
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i just watched a show on CNN. Abby Phiilips. The Dem strategist you mentioned Julie Roginsky and a few other Dems and one Republican doing an election post mortem. Doesnt look like anything will get figured out anytime soon.Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:46 pm Neither of them have said anything remotely what you are implying. And they clearly are far deeper into the Democratic Party than you. It’s refreshing honesty.
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That's what's being implied. Again, Not interested in your right-wingers telling us how we should do things. Look how well you're doing with your party. You SAY you don't want Trump, but he controls everything, and you love it.Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:46 pm Neither of them have said anything remotely what you are implying. And they clearly are far deeper into the Democratic Party than you. It’s refreshing honesty.
Why don't you tell all tell us how the Grand Old Party picked Trump three times in a row - overwhelmingly - to lead your party as an authoritarian white supremacist?
And here you are telling us we shouldn't have picked a black woman?
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It was not the candidate, it was the unfortunate timing which required that a campaign be built from scratch at a second's notice. Obama had a functioning electoral machine behind him, and even though he was Black and gave the usual yahoos fits, he served two terms and is remembered as a good president.
The fiasco was compounded by the confusion of Biden, an interregnum one-termer brought in to right ship, which he did just fine, with someone who could mount a successful campaign against a machine powered by billionaires when his one term was up. Suddenly he was a wanna be two-termer, and by the time that had self-destructed it was too late to steer around the iceberg.
I wouldn't make the mistake of explaining this whole election by race and gender. It was clearly about bad planning, worse timing, and big doses of economics, inflation, and lack of understanding of why we didn't recover from Covid in 6 months. To put it into terms that your normal American voter can understand, the Democratic Party lit all boilers and steamed directly into an iceberg at full speed, even though there had been warning signals from other ships in the region.
The fiasco was compounded by the confusion of Biden, an interregnum one-termer brought in to right ship, which he did just fine, with someone who could mount a successful campaign against a machine powered by billionaires when his one term was up. Suddenly he was a wanna be two-termer, and by the time that had self-destructed it was too late to steer around the iceberg.
I wouldn't make the mistake of explaining this whole election by race and gender. It was clearly about bad planning, worse timing, and big doses of economics, inflation, and lack of understanding of why we didn't recover from Covid in 6 months. To put it into terms that your normal American voter can understand, the Democratic Party lit all boilers and steamed directly into an iceberg at full speed, even though there had been warning signals from other ships in the region.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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It will be some time before we really know, but I’d say that’s very close to the reality.ZoWie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:38 am It was not the candidate, it was the unfortunate timing which required that a campaign be built from scratch at a second's notice. Obama had a functioning electoral machine behind him, and even though he was Black and gave the usual yahoos fits, he served two terms and is remembered as a good president.
The fiasco was compounded by the confusion of Biden, an interregnum one-termer brought in to right ship, which he did just fine, with someone who could mount a successful campaign against a machine powered by billionaires when his one term was up. Suddenly he was a wanna be two-termer, and by the time that had self-destructed it was too late to steer around the iceberg.
I wouldn't make the mistake of explaining this whole election by race and gender. It was clearly about bad planning, worse timing, and big doses of economics, inflation, and lack of understanding of why we didn't recover from Covid in 6 months. To put it into terms that your normal American voter can understand, the Democratic Party lit all boilers and steamed directly into an iceberg at full speed, even though there had been warning signals from other ships in the region.
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As bad is it was now is the time for self reflection not finger pointing.Greengrass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:01 pm There is nothing from either the congressman or the strategist that suggests sacrificing principle. Nothing. They’re simply talking common sense. It’s a good bit of forensics.
New York's election results were previously posted here....
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politi ... chor-test2
The Dems kicked ass up and down the line. But i did find one of the
Dems defeats telling.....
Proposal 6: City Charter Chief Business Diversity Officer
94.29% of expected vote
Votes
Percent
No
No (N)
1,139,546
52.6%
Yes
Yes (Y)
1,025,096
47.4%
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. [Will Rogers]
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Too much has been made of the backlash to PC, because PC is somewhat out of favor among many Democrats who still voted the ticket. We should understand, though, that even though several marginalized groups are fighting for their right to exist, enforcing a new linguistic rule every few years is not necessarily the best way to address ordinary perfectly nice people who are upset mostly because their last trip to the grocery store cost them $200.
Far as the student protests go, I think that there might have been some backlash in the general population, but my guess is that they served mostly to work against unity on the left. The timing of the war could not have been worse. I don't know enough to say right now whether or not that was as effective an influence on the vote as the inflation response that was turned up by the exit polls.
Far as the student protests go, I think that there might have been some backlash in the general population, but my guess is that they served mostly to work against unity on the left. The timing of the war could not have been worse. I don't know enough to say right now whether or not that was as effective an influence on the vote as the inflation response that was turned up by the exit polls.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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So the right is trying to right-splain to us why we lost the election. Not surprised.
But we have four conservatives on the board, three of which swear up and down that they don’t support Trump, but they are here supporting what he is doing. So what I’d like to see is a thread from them explaining why Trump has completely taken over the GOP, why he has been their overwhelming candidate for three Presidential Election cycles, and why his candidates are elected up and down the board. Why misogyny, racism and white supremacy is so strong within the party.
I doubt they’ll be interested.
But we have four conservatives on the board, three of which swear up and down that they don’t support Trump, but they are here supporting what he is doing. So what I’d like to see is a thread from them explaining why Trump has completely taken over the GOP, why he has been their overwhelming candidate for three Presidential Election cycles, and why his candidates are elected up and down the board. Why misogyny, racism and white supremacy is so strong within the party.
I doubt they’ll be interested.
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“I want opportunity for all, I want to confront racism, sexism, bigotry, and bias, but you got to do it in a sensible, commonsense way, which we are not doing,” Smith continued.”gounion wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:55 am That's what's being implied. Again, Not interested in your right-wingers telling us how we should do things. Look how well you're doing with your party. You SAY you don't want Trump, but he controls everything, and you love it.
Why don't you tell all tell us how the Grand Old Party picked Trump three times in a row - overwhelmingly - to lead your party as an authoritarian white supremacist?
And here you are telling us we shouldn't have picked a black woman?
It’s not what’s being implied
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Yeah, in other words, too soon to have a black female candidate.Greengrass wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:55 am “I want opportunity for all, I want to confront racism, sexism, bigotry, and bias, but you got to do it in a sensible, commonsense way, which we are not doing,” Smith continued.”
It’s not what’s being implied
So why don’t you explain how the GOP became the party of Trump, hate, misogyny and white supremacy?
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I’m not explaining anything, other than Joe should not have run again. What I posted are democrats viewsgounion wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:15 am So the right is trying to right-splain to us why we lost the election. Not surprised.
But we have four conservatives on the board, three of which swear up and down that they don’t support Trump, but they are here supporting what he is doing. So what I’d like to see is a thread from them explaining why Trump has completely taken over the GOP, why he has been their overwhelming candidate for three Presidential Election cycles, and why his candidates are elected up and down the board. Why misogyny, racism and white supremacy is so strong within the party.
I doubt they’ll be interested.
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So, you're happy to right-splain to us, but not willing to look at the GOP.Greengrass wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:00 pm I’m not explaining anything, other than Joe should not have run again. What I posted are democrats views
Got it. Not surprised.
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DNC Chair Rips Bernie Sanders' Election Comment: 'Straight Up BS'
Jaime Harrison, chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), has denounced independent Senator Bernie Sanders for pushing what he called "straight up BS" about this week's presidential election.
Sanders, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020, said in a statement Wednesday that Donald Trump's defeat of Vice President Kamala Harris "should come as no great surprise" because Democrats had "abandoned working-class people."
https://www.newsweek.com/dnc-chair-rips ... bs-1982458
Jaime Harrison, chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), has denounced independent Senator Bernie Sanders for pushing what he called "straight up BS" about this week's presidential election.
Sanders, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016 and 2020, said in a statement Wednesday that Donald Trump's defeat of Vice President Kamala Harris "should come as no great surprise" because Democrats had "abandoned working-class people."
https://www.newsweek.com/dnc-chair-rips ... bs-1982458