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Greengrass wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:09 pm They can build containers strong enough withstand an accident.
That's a possibility but then you'd have to have a system in place where if the rocket explodes or doesn't operate right that the payload could be separated and brought to the ground intact with parachutes. All of that will increase the cost of sending the radioactive material into space.
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Greengrass wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:09 pm They can build containers strong enough withstand an accident.
Oh? You an engineer now? How many more billions would that cost, if it could be done?

Edit to add: Woulda taken quite a container to survive this. https://youtu.be/P0-xgs7O1mY?si=QTRHnFoWMNEA_713
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rainwater wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:10 pm srsly?....theyre talking about sending our shit into space now?...srsly?..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the cost of this would be ludicrous. but typical of 'us'.
maybe theyll get the garbage from the pacific and ship it to the sun and let it melt....yah??
You got some place on planet earth in mind for storing spent nuclear fuel rods. They’re only dangerous for 10,000 years.
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Greengrass wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:20 pm You got some place on planet earth in mind for storing spent nuclear fuel rods. They’re only dangerous for 10,000 years.
Already posted from the Department of Energy.

I’m sure a day will come when we could safely and economically rocket it into the sun. That day isn’t any time soon, but I’m sure in the next several thousand years it’ll happen. But Elon Musk won’t do it.
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gounion wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:24 pm Already posted from the Department of Energy.

I’m sure a day will come when we could safely and economically rocket it into the sun. That day isn’t any time soon, but I’m sure in the next several thousand years it’ll happen. But Elon Musk won’t do it.
California is much to big to launch into the sun. So we are stuck with it. :)

As odd as it seems by the time my grandchildren are our age California and New York might be conservative and Texas liberal.

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Greengrass wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:20 pm You got some place on planet earth in mind for storing spent nuclear fuel rods. They’re only dangerous for 10,000 years.
gee gosh they created some kinda fuckin problem then didnt they.
..since theyd destroyed all other resources.

over population.
cant even feed the fukin cows anymore. yet ive seen so much wasted crop...wtf.
2legs are so stupid. a nam vet i knew used to say..."humans are too stupid to live".
here here.
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They're between a rock and a hard place because everyone wants AI, and the power demand to implement it is hellacious. No way left to do it but nuke. Can't cut down every tree on the planet, can't fill the oceans up with sludge, can't fill the atmosphere with burned carbon, but nuke has its own waste problems.

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ZoWie wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:29 am They're between a rock and a hard place because everyone wants AI, and the power demand to implement it is hellacious. No way left to do it but nuke. Can't cut down every tree on the planet, can't fill the oceans up with sludge, can't fill the atmosphere with burned carbon, but nuke has its own waste problems.

Careful what you wish for.

My wife went for a check and received an email from and signed by the doctor which was 100pct AI.

Her A1C was slightly elevated. The letter said she should lose 10 pounds and exercise 3 or 4 times a week.
My wife is 5'1" and her weight fluctuates between the same 103 to 107 pounds she weighed the day I met her in 1977. The only time she ever went north of 110 was wh6she was pregnant.

In the last 5 years she has wore out 2 treadmills and exercises at least twice a day.

She got a letter that obviously gets sent to everyone with slightly elevated A1C and the doctor has no clue which she is or anything about her.
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none...of these newly planted med folks, who stepped in when the mature med people retired,
none of them know shit. they sit with big monitors and ask what the computer tells them.
not sure what they pay 'med school' for.

this isnt med. its AI.
that is not med.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:30 pm My wife went for a check and received an email from and signed by the doctor which was 100pct AI.

Her A1C was slightly elevated. The letter said she should lose 10 pounds and exercise 3 or 4 times a week.
My wife is 5'1" and her weight fluctuates between the same 103 to 107 pounds she weighed the day I met her in 1977. The only time she ever went north of 110 was wh6she was pregnant.

In the last 5 years she has wore out 2 treadmills and exercises at least twice a day.

She got a letter that obviously gets sent to everyone with slightly elevated A1C and the doctor has no clue which she is or anything about her.
Was there any mention of a better diet? Slightly elevated.... to early to mention medications? Sounds like they are concerned about prediabetes and nipping any future problems in the bud.

Receiving generalized after care form letters via mail or e-mail have been common for quite awhile. We've become big on texting in the aftermath of covid here. Any cares or concerns from those form letters should be able to be better addressed in official reports which nowadays are usually stored in a patient portal. A private account via the web. Your whole track record, including doctors recommendations, can be found there.
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bradman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:53 am Was there any mention of a better diet? Slightly elevated.... to early to mention medications? Sounds like they are concerned about prediabetes and nipping any future problems in the bud.

Receiving generalized after care form letters via mail or e-mail have been common for quite awhile. We've become big on texting in the aftermath of covid here. Any cares or concerns from those form letters should be able to be better addressed in official reports which nowadays are usually stored in a patient portal. A private account via the web. Your whole track record, including doctors recommendations, can be found there.

There might have been but that also would have been a joke. My wife has always watched what she eats. Diet and exercise is almost a lifelong compulsion.

My oldest daughter who is on the medical field suggested she find a different daughter.

My daughter's father in law is now a retired GP who had an office with 3 partners. He has told me how they tried to hire new doctors. Almost to a person they all wanted to work in an old fashion style private practice.

But, couldn't because the corporate offices could offer far more money. Especially when it came to paying off loans.

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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:17 am There might have been but that also would have been a joke. My wife has always watched what she eats. Diet and exercise is almost a lifelong compulsion.

My oldest daughter who is on the medical field suggested she find a different daughter.

My daughter's father in law is now a retired GP who had an office with 3 partners. He has told me how they tried to hire new doctors. Almost to a person they all wanted to work in an old fashion style private practice.

But, couldn't because the corporate offices could offer far more money. Especially when it came to paying off loans.

RIP Marcus Welby
So the doctor shouldn't be concerned about elevated A1C? i'd wanna know why blood test showed an elevated A1C.
Also, i don't know of a doctor that wouldn't invite a second opinion.

Straight from AI ;) .....
Yes, even healthy people can get diabetes. In fact, people with normal weights can be more likely to die from diabetes complications than people who are overweight. This is called the obesity paradox.

Just as small family run grocery stores, old fashioned medical practices are becoming a thing of the past. I remember them fondly but would not want to go back to the past. Computer files are much better than the paper folders. Once ya figure out how to navigate the new system ya find out it's way better. Not perfect, but way better than Marcus Welby.
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bradman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:12 am So the doctor shouldn't be concerned about elevated A1C? i'd wanna know why blood test showed an elevated A1C.
Also, i don't know of a doctor that wouldn't invite a second opinion.

Straight from AI ;) .....
Yes, even healthy people can get diabetes. In fact, people with normal weights can be more likely to die from diabetes complications than people who are overweight. This is called the obesity paradox.

Just as small family run grocery stores, old fashioned medical practices are becoming a thing of the past. I remember them fondly but would not want to go back to the past. Computer files are much better than the paper folders. Once ya figure out how to navigate the new system ya find out it's way better. Not perfect, but way better than Marcus Welby.
Everyone should be watching their numbers and ask about any that are out of range. You may look normal. You may feel normal. But there could be problems either now or in the future if you ignore the numbers. Some of those problems can’t be reversed once the damage is done. I’d rather have a letter. Ask the question and know versus getting a surprise you have a chronic condition for the rest of your life that you will have to deal with.

Often we ignore problems until it’s too late to do anything about them. That’s probably one reason our health care costs are so high. Preventive medicine is often the best medicine.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:23 am Everyone should be watching their numbers and ask about any that are out of range. You may look normal. You may feel normal. But there could be problems either now or in the future if you ignore the numbers. Some of those problems can’t be reversed once the damage is done. I’d rather have a letter. Ask the question and know versus getting a surprise you have a chronic condition for the rest of your life that you will have to deal with.

Often we ignore problems until it’s too late to do anything about them. That’s probably one reason our health care costs are so high. Preventive medicine is often the best medicine.
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bradman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:41 am Especially at this age. The days of being Invincible are a thing of the past.
The goal should be to manage your health proactively. It’s a quality of life and an end of life issue. Stay active and healthy until you drop dead or die in your sleep.
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bradman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:12 am So the doctor shouldn't be concerned about elevated A1C? i'd wanna know why blood test showed an elevated A1C.
Also, i don't know of a doctor that wouldn't invite a second opinion.

Straight from AI ;) .....
Yes, even healthy people can get diabetes. In fact, people with normal weights can be more likely to die from diabetes complications than people who are overweight. This is called the obesity paradox.

Just as small family run grocery stores, old fashioned medical practices are becoming a thing of the past. I remember them fondly but would not want to go back to the past. Computer files are much better than the paper folders. Once ya figure out how to navigate the new system ya find out it's way better. Not perfect, but way better than Marcus Welby.


No the Dr should realize my wife is 5'2" weighs maybe 107 and has no body fat.
Not send an AI letter saying lose weight and exercise
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Getting back on topic, I can sum up by noting that I do all my best thinking when I'm not in the place. It really is a dangerous psychotropic drug. Something about the sunshine and the Santa Ana wind puts your brain into power-down mode.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:52 am Getting back on topic, I can sum up by noting that I do all my best thinking when I'm not in the place. It really is a dangerous psychotropic drug. Something about the sunshine and the Santa Ana wind puts your brain into power-down mode.
I have always said and believed that California and West Virginia are our most beautiful states.

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The area around Lake Shasta the most beautiful.
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...'computer files' may be swell for the med person staring at the big monitor but they do
nothing for the patient sitting there staring at the monitor backside.
....patient who cannot see what they are reading, staring at.

as well...ive always made a point of getting 'records'...in print form. ive seen so many
mistakes its shocking. and they get paid for this. now its in the data world of AI innernet.

i think we've past a point of accountability.
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AI is well on the way to replacing people. We never should have taught it to write. You might have noticed that it writes better ad copy than people do. That doesn't really say much for or against AI, but it says a lot about what people will put up with.

The final takeaway from this campaign is that we need more existential heroes and fewer drones waiting for the head drone to give them the day's executable application files.
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ZoWie wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:59 am AI is well on the way to replacing people. We never should have taught it to write. You might have noticed that it writes better ad copy than people do. That doesn't really say much for or against AI, but it says a lot about what people will put up with.

The final takeaway from this campaign is that we need more existential heroes and fewer drones waiting for the head drone to give them the day's executable application files.
I’m generally a fan of AI. However whether one likes or dislikes AI there is no way to put that genie back in the bottle. I think you agree. So we are gonna have to figure out how to maximize the benefits and mitigate the risks. How it all works out in the end is yet to be seen.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:13 am I’m generally a fan of AI. However whether one likes or dislikes AI there is no way to put that genie back in the bottle. I think you agree. So we are gonna have to figure out how to maximize the benefits and mitigate the risks. How it all works out in the end is yet to be seen.
Yeah, why hire a voice actor when you can steal their voice for free?

I’ve tried to have discussions as to what happens when automation takes all the jobs, how people will survive. But the right wants to pretend it’ll never happen.
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Yes, I do understand technology well enough to know that Luddism is silly. The way forward is to develop panic buttons that let people stay in control. We're better for all our technology, but due to various largely economic reasons we don't always control it very well, even when the problems are critical and staring us right in the face.

Internet was a huge step forward, when we evolved a universal communication network from a computer system originally developed at universities to allow military installations to stay in touch after a nuclear attack. We have since encountered a very old but still very serious problem with who gets to own it and what they get to do with it. Right now, as with every other technology from the domestication of fore onward, its unmanaged adoption by the usual nasty types is nearly as destructive in the long run as said nuclear attack. We have to get on top of the situation, and that will require basic agreement on what the limits should be.

A good place to start is learning to detect propaganda.
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gounion wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:17 am Yeah, why hire a voice actor when you can steal their voice for free?

I’ve tried to have discussions as to what happens when automation takes all the jobs, how people will survive. But the right wants to pretend it’ll never happen.

You have landed on a valid point that being AI is basically automation in the entertainment industry.

AI replaced many behind the scenes jobs like sculpture. A guy from my YFC basketball team ( the nads) earned 6 figures sculpting trees and bones along with rocks for years.

It is only now that it is reaching onscreen talent that people in that industry are speaking out.

Aa for voices WC Fields voice was pirated for years along with many others. Even names Baby Ruth was stolen.

I guess 25 to 50 years from now there won't be a need for actors or writers.
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gounion wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:17 am Yeah, why hire a voice actor when you can steal their voice for free?

I’ve tried to have discussions as to what happens when automation takes all the jobs, how people will survive. But the right wants to pretend it’ll never happen.
You don’t do discussions.
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