California better wakeup before it's to late

[JoeMemphis]

So, hey, they go offshore to be able to pollute at will and use child and slave labor, that’s according to their “needs and interests”, right?

Perfectly acceptable!

Why can’t a state and nation worry about things like pollution.

And let’s be clear: We took a big vacation in California back in the nineties, and we rented a car, and I drove from LAX to Santa Barbara for a wedding, then back to LA, then to San Diego, then up to San Francisco and flew home from there.

When we came back into LA from Santa Barbara, coming out of the mountains, there was this dirty brown cloud coving LA. It was horrible, you could barely see through it.

And that was in the early nineties.

Why are you guys so fucking against the idea that Californians should want to clean up the pollution in their state? And why do you think it’s more important that industry there should be free to make the air more dirty than it already is?

The folks in CA can do as they please. Not my problem.

As for the rest, I said clearly that I would prefer companies remain in country. Thats why folks question your reading comprehension or are you just deliberately distorting?

[gounion]

The folks in CA can do as they please. Not my problem.

As for the rest, I said clearly that I would prefer companies remain in country. Thats why folks question your reading comprehension or are you just deliberately distorting?

You’re the one that said “I’m not a California expert but part of me wonders if part of their problem is in how they choose to govern.”

Again, if they want clean air and water, isn’t that something that a business that considers themselves American be in FAVOR of?

Or should they just go to wherever they can pollute the most.

I’ve been to Texas City. That’s the best argument around to your guy’s view that lack of regulations is a good thing.

What’s funny is you guys scream about dems and regulations, but say nothing about the Florida governor refusing to let any oil platforms off the Florida coast.

[ZoWie]

I love how California gets all the flak from conservatives who don't know any better. Take a day in Bakersfield and get back to me about the land of fruits and nuts. It's all conservative farmers and oil workers.

[JoeMemphis]

You’re the one that said “I’m not a California expert but part of me wonders if part of their problem is in how they choose to govern.”

Again, if they want clean air and water, isn’t that something that a business that considers themselves American be in FAVOR of?

Or should they just go to wherever they can pollute the most.

I’ve been to Texas City. That’s the best argument around to your guy’s view that lack of regulations is a good thing.

What’s funny is you guys scream about dems and regulations, but say nothing about the Florida governor refusing to let any oil platforms off the Florida coast.

I don’t think I advocated for pollution. Again. Read better. Work on it. Or are you deliberately distorting.

[ZoWie]

Actually, there's a lot of money to be made in pollution control and environmental cleanup. The current trend is toward more nuclear power for the acres of servers needed to implement AI, and so this trend will only get more lucrative for the right people. We're gonna need a lot of cleaning up after ourselves.

[JoeMemphis]

Actually, there's a lot of money to be made in pollution control and environmental cleanup. The current trend is toward more nuclear power for the acres of servers needed to implement AI, and so this trend will only get more lucrative for the right people. We're gonna need a lot of cleaning up after ourselves.

Now there’s a topic worth discussing.

Nuclear Energy Pros and Cons.

[Greengrass]

Actually, there's a lot of money to be made in pollution control and environmental cleanup. The current trend is toward more nuclear power for the acres of servers needed to implement AI, and so this trend will only get more lucrative for the right people. We're gonna need a lot of cleaning up after ourselves.

Give Spacex a contract to shoot spent nuclear fuel into the sun.

That’d clean things up pretty quickly.

[gounion]

Give Spacex a contract to shoot spent nuclear fuel into the sun.

That’d clean things up pretty quickly.

Had a few SpaceX explosions. One blew the fuck out of the launch pad. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

[Greengrass]

Had a few SpaceX explosions. One blew the fuck out of the launch pad. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Not falcon 9 rockets. And not difficult to seal the nuclear waste in containers sufficient to withstand that kind of accident.

[gounion]

Not falcon 9 rockets. And not difficult to seal the nuclear waste in containers sufficient to withstand that kind of accident.

Maybe, maybe not. You're no expert. Actual experts, like, in the Department of Energy: https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-re ... aste-space

Problem 1: It Is Very Expensive

The video estimates that it would cost at least $100 million per year to launch one reactor’s worth of spent nuclear fuel into space.

With about 440 nuclear reactors

around the world, it would cost around $44 billion per year to launch all of the world’s spent fuel into space.

These cost estimates do not account for launching the existing spent fuel that’s already in temporary storage.

If money wasn’t a concern, they say we still wouldn’t have enough rockets to launch all of our spent fuel into space. Entirely new space industries would need to be established—and it’s difficult to imagine this happening simply to address transporting spent nuclear fuel.

Problem 2: Space Is Complicated

The video explains that shooting thousands of containers of spent nuclear fuel into low Earth orbit could add to the millions of fast-moving and dangerous debris orbiting the Earth.

Any impact with the debris could damage or destroy a working satellite, creating even more debris.

Additionally, the Earth’s atmosphere will eventually pull back anything in low Earth orbit.

It would also be complicated to shoot the waste to a specific place like the moon, deep space, or the sun. The video explains that if we wanted to reach any of these places, we would need much bigger, more expensive rockets. (See problem 1)

Problem 3: Rockets Are Not Perfect

The video notes that 11 out of 146 rocket launches in 2021 were failures. This means that rockets carrying nuclear waste could explode during the launch or break apart and crash back down to Earth.

The rocket failures could lead to a release of radioactive particles. The particles would travel in the wind, falling either in the ocean or on land. These radioactive particles could then impact our farmlands and water sources and contaminate food and water supplies.

Overall, it is not worth risking rocket failures when we already have safe and secure ways to store spent nuclear fuel right here on Earth.

[gounion]

Oh, yes, and the Falcon 9? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9

GG, do you understand the difference between low earth orbit and into the sun?

[Greengrass]

Actually, there's a lot of money to be made in pollution control and environmental cleanup. The current trend is toward more nuclear power for the acres of servers needed to implement AI, and so this trend will only get more lucrative for the right people. We're gonna need a lot of cleaning up after ourselves.

With Collossus Musk will be giving the Powerwall a big test as well.

[Greengrass]

Oh, yes, and the Falcon 9? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9



GG, do you understand the difference between low earth orbit and into the sun?

Good time to start working on solar sails. Just need is to get it to the suns gravity. We send small payloads out beyond earth orbit now, so there’s that.

[gounion]

Good time to start working on solar sails. Just need is to get it to the suns gravity. We send small payloads out beyond earth orbit now, so there’s that.

Well, as least you tacitly admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, for once.

[ZoWie]

Solar sails are motivated more by light than gravitation. It's already orbiting the sun if it's launched from Earth, the trick is to change the orbit. There are several mechanisms by which the light hitting the sail can move it. Another idea is to use electric wires, and interaction with charged solar wind particles can create thrust.

[Greengrass]

Well, as least you tacitly admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, for once.

Wow, reading and comprehension again.

[gounion]

Wow, reading and comprehension again.

Do you think a rocket designed to put things into low earth orbit can put tons of nuclear waste into the sun? So much for that physics degree you probably claim.

You are an idiot.

[Greengrass]

Do you think a rocket designed to put things into low earth orbit can put tons of nuclear waste into the sun? So much for that physics degree you probably claim.

You are an idiot.

Well Elon’s Tesla Roadster is orbiting the sun. So I Imagine the Spacex folks could figure how to hit the sun with spent nuclear fuel. I believe it was two falcon 9’s. A super heavy.

[rainwater]

"Joe....how CA governs'....

seriously...you think these things have to do with them 'governing' which they dont
do anyway but what the corp pols do is destroy the environment but none of you maga-its seem to GAF
about that...you never mention that, the environment, the climate, the heat which is killing land
therefore grazing so CA has lost much of what it once did due to CLIMATE CHANGING...HEAT, LACK OF WATER.

thats some cognitive dissonance btw. enjoy the confusion.

smh.

[Number6]

Do you think a rocket designed to put things into low earth orbit can put tons of nuclear waste into the sun? So much for that physics degree you probably claim.

You are an idiot.

There's a company called SpinLaunch that plans to send satellites into space using a small rocket and centrifugal force. If it's practical, it could launch payloads of about 400 pounds more economically than current rockets. Once in orbit, it would be a matter for astronauts capturing the payload and setting it on it's way to the sun.

It's an interesting concept and I don't know if it will meet the need of the country and/or company's needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BCeanUiKwM

[ZoWie]

> Elon's first Tesla in space

True, I always considered that a waste of a good car. The original Tesla was basically a little Lotus sports car with an electric motor. Electrics have a lot of torque and the thing must have gone like that proverbial bat out of hell. I considered a Lotus, they weren't as expensive as you think, but there was no good way to get out of the damn thing. At least with my current ride you kind of plant your feet on the ground, fall forward, and do a full knee press to a standing position. Takes a bit of balance but you get used to it.

> Dump radioactive waste into the sun

It's tricky to send a payload into the sun, you basically de-orbit it and it takes a lot of delta-V, but there's nothing in physics that says you can't do it. The scary part would be safely getting the material off the Earth. Rockets do fail, and the last thing you want is a ton or so of radioactive junk spiraling back down.

[gounion]

Well Elon’s Tesla Roadster is orbiting the sun. So I Imagine the Spacex folks could figure how to hit the sun with spent nuclear fuel. I believe it was two falcon 9’s. A super heavy.

A Tesla Roadster is only about 2,700 lbs. Not very heavy at all. The DoE isn’t impressed with the idea.

How you going to raise the $44 billion a year to send it? This is the problem with conservatives - you guys have nothing but stupid ideas.

[Number6]

> Elon's first Tesla in space

True, I always considered that a waste of a good car. The original Tesla was basically a little Lotus sports car with an electric motor. Electrics have a lot of torque and the thing must have gone like that proverbial bat out of hell. I considered a Lotus, they weren't as expensive as you think, but there was no good way to get out of the damn thing. At least with my current ride you kind of plant your feet on the ground, fall forward, and do a full knee press to a standing position. Takes a bit of balance but you get used to it.

> Dump radioactive waste into the sun

It's tricky to send a payload into the sun, you basically de-orbit it and it takes a lot of delta-V, but there's nothing in physics that says you can't do it. The scary part would be safely getting the material off the Earth. Rockets do fail, and the last thing you want is a ton or so of radioactive junk spiraling back down.

That's the problem, how do you get radioactive waste safely into orbit. All it takes is one accident and you could have thousands of square miles contaminating, to some degree, land, animals, farms, and people.

[Greengrass]

That's the problem, how do you get radioactive waste safely into orbit. All it takes is one accident and you could have thousands of square miles contaminating, to some degree, land, animals, farms, and people.

They can build containers strong enough withstand an accident.

[rainwater]

srsly?....theyre talking about sending our shit into space now?...srsly?.....

the cost of this would be ludicrous. but typical of 'us'.
maybe theyll get the garbage from the pacific and ship it to the sun and let it melt....yah??