gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:15 pm
No, it's NOT a lie. It's the truth. If Trump does what he promises and does away with the taxes, then in six years Social Security will be broke, and checks will automatically be cut by a third. That is a mathematical fact, Glenn. No one will have to vote for it. It will just happen. And Trump will have the nation so gerrymandered and corrupt that the right will never lose another vote. Kinda like Putin.
You just don't want anyone to know the truth, that's why you're calling it a lie.
Always defending EVERYTHING Trump does, and lying to defend him.
THIS is why I call him your Dear Leader - because you ALWAYS come here to lie, defend and deflect for him.
The President can’t do away with Social Security. Or Medicare. Only Congress has the authority.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:13 pm
Pensions are the backbone of the military. The military would have a hard time keeping people without them.
It's funny watching you two dance when you've championed 401(k)s as being superior, now you piss backwards, as we say in the shop.
It's something how you guys brag about how it's great that nobody stays at a company anymore. Retention is one of the big problems with many companies, they don't understand why people keep leaving. Having to constantly train new people is a major added cost. Probably bigger than the cost of providing a pension. I remember reading at some point that Walmart turns over the entire workforce at a store three times in a year.
Whereas companies like Costco has very little turnover.
Me, I always worked my way up in my workplace, getting promotions and working my way up. I didn't see a reason to quit. I worked several jobs while on layoff, but always came back to my first company, because seniority is an important thing, and getting that pension. Worked my way up in the union too.
I like having job security. Don't see why that's seen as a bad thing.
So I guess you didn’t understand this part of my post:
“ Military pension is an intended incentive for long term service. It’s a benefit to the military.”
You really need to work on those reading comprehension skills.
Do you know why the military introduced a 401k.
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bradman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:13 pm
You, me, and that guy behind the tree. We the people....
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Why?
The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in shadows of life, the sick, the needy, and the handicapped. -HHH-
You should read up on the social safety net. At both federal and state level.
It's a moral obligation.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:52 pm
We all get caught up arguing about POTUS. But he/she isn’t a king/queen and they aren’t an island to themselves.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:26 pm
Both candidates have pledged to cut taxes while we are running deficits. Neither party can really claim the high ground. They are both buying votes with taxpayer dollars, Both candidates have stated at the same time that they wont touch SSI. Everybody knows that these programs will outrun their funding in the next 5 to 10 years and neither party and neither candidate is dealing seriously with the issue.
So as much as you hate to hear it. On this subject, there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between the two. They are just making promises and buying votes with our tax dollars and acting like they are doing us a favor. Whistling past the graveyard.
And if either side gets a tax cut, the tax revenue as a percent of GDP, will still be 15-17%.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:57 pm
And if either side gets a tax cut, the tax revenue as a percent of GDP, will still be 15-17%.
Both candidates are running around making promises, spending money, promising tax cuts and they have no earthly idea how the numbers work. It’s Monopoly money to them.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:59 pm
Both candidates are running around making promises, spending money, promising tax cuts and they have no earthly idea how the numbers work. It’s Monopoly money to them.
As always, defending Trump, trying to normalize him. False equivalency.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:45 pm
The President can’t do away with Social Security. Or Medicare. Only Congress has the authority.
So, not gonna happen.
Lie. If he cuts the taxes, which, I've NEVER seen a Republican that won't vote for a tax cut - let me know if YOU heard of one - in six years the cuts will be automatic.
And it's been the conservative mantra for years that Social Security and Medicare are socialism and should be ended.
Remember what Reagan said when he campaigned against Medicare when it was enacted.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:12 pm
Lie. If he cuts the taxes, which, I've NEVER seen a Republican that won't vote for a tax cut - let me know if YOU heard of one - in six years the cuts will be automatic.
And it's been the conservative mantra for years that Social Security and Medicare are socialism and should be ended.
Remember what Reagan said when he campaigned against Medicare when it was enacted.
Ok. I can’t believe I have to say this.
Only Congress can cut taxes. And with social security it’s not gonna happen.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:41 pm
Ok. I can’t believe I have to say this.
Only Congress can cut taxes. And with social security it’s not gonna happen.
Amazing how little they know.
Been done before.
Tell me WHEN the GOP didn’t vote to cut taxes. It’s always the first thing a GOP President does upon entering office. Economy bad? Cut taxes. Economy good? Cut taxes.
When has the GOP EVER said NOT to cut taxes?
Keep pretending that Trump doesn’t mean what he says, when the guardrails will be off.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:42 pm
Been done before.
Tell me WHEN the GOP didn’t vote to cut taxes. It’s always the first thing a GOP President does upon entering office. Economy bad? Cut taxes. Economy good? Cut taxes.
When has the GOP EVER said NOT to cut taxes?
Keep pretending that Trump doesn’t mean what he says, when the guardrails will be off.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:44 pm
Social Security taxes?
Reading and comprehension, dude.
They put in their platform to cut Social Security.
They will pretend it won’t matter. They don’t care, they’re going to rig the elections from here on in, anyway. They want to Putinize our election system. Once they get full power, if they have the House, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme Court, it’s game over.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:45 pm
They put in their platform to cut Social Security.
They will pretend it won’t matter. They don’t care, they’re going to rig the elections from here on in, anyway. They want to Putinize our election system. Once they get full power, if they have the House, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme Court, it’s game over.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:45 pm
They put in their platform to cut Social Security.
They will pretend it won’t matter. They don’t care, they’re going to rig the elections from here on in, anyway. They want to Putinize our election system. Once they get full power, if they have the House, Senate, Presidency and the Supreme Court, it’s game over.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:49 pm
2016 republicans had president, house, and senate. Didn’t happen then and not gonna happen now.
But at that time, there WERE guardrails. People who were out of the real world. AGs that wouldn’t say yes to much of Trump’s craziness. That won’t happen this time. It’ll all be MAGA true believers.
His Vice President won’t stand against him for the Constitution. Vance has already promised to follow any orders he gives. He’ll make military appointments like Mike Flynn, who will follow any and all orders.
There won’t be any other generals or anyone else in the Trump administration with a conscience.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:44 pm
But at that time, there WERE guardrails. People who were out of the real world. AGs that wouldn’t say yes to much of Trump’s craziness. That won’t happen this time. It’ll all be MAGA true believers.
His Vice President won’t stand against him for the Constitution. Vance has already promised to follow any orders he gives. He’ll make military appointments like Mike Flynn, who will follow any and all orders.
There won’t be any other generals or anyone else in the Trump administration with a conscience.
And you’re fine with that, aren’t you?
I’m not fine with it. I just don’t share your opinion or your alternative.
gounion wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:44 pm
But at that time, there WERE guardrails. People who were out of the real world. AGs that wouldn’t say yes to much of Trump’s craziness. That won’t happen this time. It’ll all be MAGA true believers.
His Vice President won’t stand against him for the Constitution. Vance has already promised to follow any orders he gives. He’ll make military appointments like Mike Flynn, who will follow any and all orders.
There won’t be any other generals or anyone else in the Trump administration with a conscience.
And you’re fine with that, aren’t you?
There are still guardrails. Congress and the courts.
It’s rather abhorrent and disgusting that you think the military would act against the civilian population.
And, again, I can’t believe I have to say this.
The Senate approves military appointments.
Greengrass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:06 pm
There are still guardrails. Congress and the courts.
It’s rather abhorrent and disgusting that you think the military would act against the civilian population.
And, again, I can’t believe I have to say this.
The Senate approves military appointments.
If the GOP controls Congress and the Senate, they will do whatever Dear Leader tells them to do - they always have.
I mean, gee, do you think they'll impeach him? Fucking hilarious.
So now you all are together to tell us there's nothing to fear from a Trump Presidency. Interesting the posts from you guys that I'm reading this morning.