The issue that will define the 2024 election

[ZoWie]

The Los Angeles Times is already headed straight to oblivion due to changes in media distribution. Readership fluctuates between microscopic and unmeasurable. Seems that they could sink no further, but they figured out a way to really dig their own grave in this election. The partisan antics between staff and owner, which have gone on for several years since the billionaire owner was seduced by the Dark Side, finally managed to piss just about everybody off.

My own highly subjective reaction has been along the lines of, "Serves all those assholes right."

There has been a fine old brouhaha in LA media. Most reactions range from, "That rag still around?" to "They had it coming." Fortunately, Wikipedia has the most objective description I've seen. So here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times

In October 2024, Soon-Shiong, the owner of the Times, told executive editor Terry Tang that the newspaper must not endorse a candidate in the 2024 United States presidential election, but should instead print "a factual analysis of all the POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE policies by EACH candidate during their tenures at the White House, and how these policies affected the nation". The Times editorial board, which had been preparing to endorse Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential candidate, rejected this alternative to endorsement, and after Donald Trump, the Republican candidate, alluded to the newspaper not having endorsed Harris, Mariel Garza, the editor of the opinion section, resigned in protest.[95][96] Soon-Shiong had previously blocked an endorsement by the editorial board in 2020, when he overruled their decision to endorse Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries.[97]

In the past few days, too recently to get into Wiki, there have been several other resignations.

Debacles like this are great examples of the real issue underlying this election.

[Greengrass]

Via NYTimes - Post-Roe America https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ories.html



The one thing we know about our conservatives: They don't give a fuck if it's a woman's life in danger.

So why did I vote for the constitutional amendment for abortion reform in Ohio. And for me protecting the life of the woman is the first principle.

[gounion]

So why did I vote for the constitutional amendment for abortion reform in Ohio. And for me protecting the life of the woman is the first principle.

Because you're fucking lying. You don't give a shit for women's lives. You're a Trumper through and through.

[Glennfs]

Because you're fucking lying. You don't give a shit for women's lives. You're a Trumper through and through.

And just yesterday you claimed to be so offended that you would resort to physically violence.
Then today you say something much more offensive.

[gounion]

And just yesterday you claimed to be so offended that you would resort to physically violence.
Then today you say something much more offensive.

You can dish it out but you can't take it.

[gounion]

Cases are happening now that will destroy the chances of the GOP across the nation in 2024. We now see what the GOP is planning for women. These cases will change the landscape of elections across the nation.

In Texas, the tragic case of Kate Cox https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/us/texas ... index.html, where the Texas Supreme Court has refused to allow her an abortion, and Attorney General Ken Paxton has threatened any doctor or medical facility jail time and $100,000 fines if they help her, shows how little the right cares about women's health and life. This happened after a Texas Judge produced a 14-day restraining order against the state so she could have an abortion.

Paxton showed NO caring whatsoever for the women's plight. He will be the poster child for 2024. And I'm sure that her case won't be the only one - there's one in Kentucky right now too.

JoeMemphis says he's pro-choice. Glenn has said he didn't think the Supreme Court should have ended Roe v. Wade - that he thought they'd never do what they promised to do.

But neither will care that this is happening - they will vote for these lawmakers making the laws.

The last few elections where the abortion question has meant big, surprising losses for the GOP are just the beginning. The right hoped that the furor would die down with time, but it is just getting started.

Just a reminder - I called this early last December.

[rainwater]

Zowie :.... Debacles like this are great examples of the real issue underlying this election.

id toss in also the factor of....PAPER. trees. paper. el papel.

these news papers like the criminal enterprise bee zus owns have cut killed used abused
wasted ruined and lost most paper producing sources On The Planet.
Not blaming the newspapers we depended on for a century or more.
times tho have changed and the paper use is and has been an issue. if 'us'
were serious about recycling this would be Half the problem is it today.

with NO desire to recycle reuse collect again and make use of any of this cardboard
capitalist pigs use to ship mericans the crap they sell them, the "must have!!" shit they
sell hour after hour, it piles up in storage units indef and the TREE is now LOST, gone
totally, like it never helped make more $$$ for the corp...who DOES NOTHING TO HELP.
WHEN THE TREES ARE GONE THE HUMANS ARE GONE.
not enuff lumber left to rebuild housing thats LOST DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGING FLOODS FIRES.

for many "the issue" is...environmental global climate.
they can pretend its not but thats not working.

..what did he say..he's gonna 'help women'..?....is that it?..
...humans are too stupid to live...the war vet said.

and the rich fuckers know this.

[Glennfs]

Just a reminder - I called this early last December.

Will the cases where illegal aliens rape 5 year olds hurt democrats? You don't seem to care nearly as much if at all about those crimes

[Glennfs]

id toss in also the factor of....PAPER. trees. paper. el papel.

these news papers like the criminal enterprise bee zus owns have cut killed used abused
wasted ruined and lost most paper producing sources On The Planet.
Not blaming the newspapers we depended on for a century or more.
times tho have changed and the paper use is and has been an issue. if 'us'
were serious about recycling this would be Half the problem is it today.

with NO desire to recycle reuse collect again and make use of any of this cardboard
capitalist pigs use to ship mericans the crap they sell them, the "must have!!" shit they
sell hour after hour, it piles up in storage units indef and the TREE is now LOST, gone
totally, like it never helped make more $$$ for the corp...who DOES NOTHING TO HELP.
WHEN THE TREES ARE GONE THE HUMANS ARE GONE.
not enuff lumber left to rebuild housing thats LOST DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGING FLOODS FIRES.

for many "the issue" is...environmental global climate.
they can pretend its not but thats not working.

..what did he say..he's gonna 'help women'..?....is that it?..
...humans are too stupid to live...the war vet said.

and the rich fuckers know this.

I live in a state that has/had a huge pulp wood industry. Those paper mills grow and harvest pulp wood on either there own land or on land where the trees used for pulp wood is grown as a crop.

That is for newsprint I don't know what type of trees are used in books

[ZoWie]

Big newspapers do sometimes grow their own trees. The LA Times was a model of vertical integration. It did everything except refine the gas for the Latinos they paid a pittance to get up at 3 AM and deliver papers while a city slept.

For all I know, the LA Times still does that. If so, they are using about a tenth as much gas. Half the paper was classified ads, now all gone. The "newshole," as the assholes called it, also shrunk by about 3/4. Department stores bought half the ads, they stopped, now the paper would not kill Barbara Bain's dog which was in the driveway and got it point blank. Maybe it could kill an ant or two.

I don't know a soul who still gets the "print edition" of anything.

The new scarcity is electrical power. All this AI shit eats it and screams for more. They're firing dangerous old nukes back up. Right now, AI investments are tracked by CNBC every second because that information generates ratings. Meanwhile, the next big thing is going to be generating moving charges in conductors.

[gounion]

Well, I was wrong. The nation wanted what the GOP and Trump was selling. I'm sure it'll be a new Golden Age.

For someone. But it's on them now. They have everything.

[ZoWie]

You weren't as wrong as the pollsters. Too close to call, my ass.

More BS in an election that burned that smelly brown substance for fuel. Bush league teams in a big league playoff.

[Glennfs]

Well, I was wrong. The nation wanted what the GOP and Trump was selling. I'm sure it'll be a new Golden Age.

For someone. But it's on them now. They have everything.

I was thinking about this lately. As much as the democratic party campaigned on it l was thinking you were correct.
After the election the pundits were all opining about how almost all the abortion measures passed. That and how could people vote for legalized abortion and Trump.
My conclusion and see if you agree is the following.

Yes abortion is supported in one way or another by 65pct or more of voters. But, it is one of those things that doesn't effect them and they believe it will never happen to them. We all have accident insurance but none of us think we will ever use it.

On the other hand we buy gas and groceries multiple times a week and directly effects all of us. Which is why I believe that high prices for everyday items became the top issue.

[gounion]

I was thinking about this lately. As much as the democratic party campaigned on it l was thinking you were correct.
After the election the pundits were all opining about how almost all the abortion measures passed. That and how could people vote for legalized abortion and Trump.
My conclusion and see if you agree is the following.

Yes abortion is supported in one way or another by 65pct or more of voters. But, it is one of those things that doesn't effect them and they believe it will never happen to them. We all have accident insurance but none of us think we will ever use it.

On the other hand we buy gas and groceries multiple times a week and directly effects all of us. Which is why I believe that high prices for everyday items became the top issue.

And the GOP will do everything they can to pass a nationwide abortion ban. They don’t care what the American people want.

And, if in two years, if Trump’s mass deportations and tariffs give us massive inflation, you will blame it on Biden, won’t you?

[Glennfs]

And the GOP will do everything they can to pass a nationwide abortion ban. They don’t care what the American people want.

And, if in two years, if Trump’s mass deportations and tariffs give us massive inflation, you will blame it on Biden, won’t you?

Sorry I was just looking for a conversation about why voters voted for abortion and then for people opposed to abortion.

[gounion]

Sorry I was just looking for a conversation about why voters voted for abortion and then for people opposed to abortion.

No you aren’t.

They voted on immigration and the economy. Trump was effective in using hate, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny and white supremacy to gain a majority in this nation.

It’s clear the American people want abortion rights. So why will you support the GOP bringing up and voting on bills to enact a nationwide ban?

Is the GOP about doing good things for our nation, or are the just self-serving ideologues who will push their will onto a nation?

[Greengrass]

No you aren’t.

They voted on immigration and the economy. Trump was effective in using hate, racism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny and white supremacy to gain a majority in this nation.

It’s clear the American people want abortion rights. So why will you support the GOP bringing up and voting on bills to enact a nationwide ban?

Is the GOP about doing good things for our nation, or are the just self-serving ideologues who will push their will onto a nation?

From Dobbs.

“ Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. ”

The states own abortion. So nationwide ban is not gonna happen.

[gounion]

From Dobbs.

“ Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. The Court overrules those decisions and returns that authority to the people and their elected representatives. ”

The states own abortion. So nationwide ban is not gonna happen.

Tell the Republican Senators and Congressmen that. And pretend to be surprised when they come out of the box with a nationwide abortion ban.

[Greengrass]

Tell the Republican Senators and Congressmen that. And pretend to be surprised when they come out of the box with a nationwide abortion ban.

And it’ll go down in flames. Won’t even get to the Supreme Court. First court will rule it unconstitutional and put it to an end.

[gounion]

And it’ll go down in flames. Won’t even get to the Supreme Court. First court will rule it unconstitutional and put it to an end.

All three of Trump’s appointments and Alito and Thomas have been for a full ban of abortions nationwide for decades. That’s why the Federalist Society was created in the first place. If it gets to them, they’ll pass it in a New York Minute.

And you’ll pretend to be surprised.

[Greengrass]

All three of Trump’s appointments and Alito and Thomas have been for a full ban of abortions nationwide for decades. That’s why the Federalist Society was created in the first place. If it gets to them, they’ll pass it in a New York Minute.

And you’ll pretend to be surprised.

Not gonna happen. Belongs to the states.

[gounion]

Not gonna happen. Belongs to the states.

Again, you’ll feign surprise. You know that Thomas has written about it quite a bit.

“States rights” is something the right doesn’t believe in at all. They want to make their views law across the nation.

You want quotes from the right about it?

[Greengrass]

Again, you’ll feign surprise. You know that Thomas has written about it quite a bit.

“States rights” is something the right doesn’t believe in at all. They want to make their views law across the nation.

You want quotes from the right about it?

Won’t feign anything.

Not gonna happen.

[gounion]

Federalist Society: https://fedsoc.org/commentary/fedsoc-bl ... n-children

The Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, holding that the Constitution of the United States does not contain a right to abortion, has reinvigorated the movement on Capitol Hill to enact federal life-protective legislation. During the 117th Congress, more than 100 Representatives and at least eighteen Senators co-sponsored legislation to “implement equal protection” under the Fourteenth Amendment to protect “the right to life of each born and preborn human person.” And as the 2024 election heats up, efforts to prohibit elective abortion nationwide after 15-weeks gestational age have become the subject of heated debate among Republican presidential hopefuls.

Some conservative and libertarian legal commentators question whether such legislation would be constitutional. It is, in truth, not a close question. Although there may be additional constitutional avenues to protect the unborn, we believe Congress is on firm constitutional footing to enact life-protective legislation under Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such legislation would be an appropriate remedy for state deprivation of the equal-protection rights to which unborn children are constitutionally entitled.

It is now well-established that when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868, the word “person” had a settled public meaning that included children in the womb. And the Fourteenth Amendment specifically provides that no state shall “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” The original meaning of this clause was to secure (equal) protection of the fundamental rights of persons—including life and personal security—as these had been expounded in Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England and leading American treatises. Indeed, the prevailing originalist view is that the Equal Protection Clause guarantees protection from private violence to life, liberty, and property, and that a state violates that guarantee when it withdraws remedies in tort for injuries or denies the protection of criminal laws. If a state protects some persons in their rights of life and personal security, it is constitutionally required to do so for all persons—including the unborn.

Because state laws allowing elective abortion necessarily deprive a class of human beings—those at the earliest developmental stages—of “the equal protection of the laws,” they violate constitutional rights. Such laws expose a disfavored class of persons—unborn children—to lethal violence.

And the last paragraph of the piece:

Dobbs did not determine how a future Supreme Court might view national pro-life legislation enacted under Section 5. But as even Justice Kavanaugh acknowledged twice in his Dobbs concurrence, future abortion policy may be addressed “through the democratic process in the States or Congress.” It is Congress’s constitutional prerogative—indeed, its solemn obligation—to secure the equal-protection rights of our tiny brothers and sisters at the dawn of their lives.

[ap215]

Again, you’ll feign surprise. You know that Thomas has written about it quite a bit.

“States rights” is something the right doesn’t believe in at all. They want to make their views law across the nation.

You want quotes from the right about it?

Gou is spot on once again.