Hamas fires 7000 rockets at Israel, starting major war
Hamas fires 7000 rockets at Israel, starting major war
There are also reports of many Israelis taken hostage.
I wonder if Russia put them up to it to open a second front and force Biden to spend even more money on unpopular wars.
BiBi, with considerable justification, has already declared war and is currently mobilizing for a big one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-67037806
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-mid ... type=share
I wonder if Russia put them up to it to open a second front and force Biden to spend even more money on unpopular wars.
BiBi, with considerable justification, has already declared war and is currently mobilizing for a big one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-67037806
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-mid ... type=share
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"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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The American left will either blame the attack on Israel or they will criticize the Israeli response
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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Russia is counting on Biden getting involved, and drawing heavy propaganda fire, so that drumpf will win. I'm not playing. Israel will react with its usual shock and awe, and I will keep my mouth shut on the subject because anything else helps the enemy, which goes way beyond Hamas.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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Hamas doesn't seem to care. They know that Israel is always ready with an outsized response, yet they continue to do it. Innocent lives taken on both sides.
Hamas militants definitely deserve their fate. It was a terrorist act.
Hamas militants definitely deserve their fate. It was a terrorist act.
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Link please
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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That would probably be support of Hamas. That might be a tough sell. It may not be coincidental that Russia needed a new front to distract from Ukraine.
Palestine definitely has reasons to be angry but purposely targeting civilians isn't going to help. It never has.
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I'm not sure everyone's up to speed on this.
The attack is likely the biggest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor. This is not an exaggeration. There was a major terrorist operation all over Israel and many hostages were taken and rushed back into Gaza. "Terrorist" may not even be the best word for it. These were well drilled shock troops who infiltrated over the heavily guarded Gaza border using hang gliders and balloons to stay low and avoid Israel's anti-missile radar. They got in and out undetected. Similarly, the 7000 rockets were the standard Hamas homebrew weapons which are basically scaled up fireworks. They're real low-tech stuff, and sophisticated defense systems aren't calibrated for something this small.
There's a very major security lapse here, and I suspect that a lot of people won't have jobs soon. Presumably the US will have to spend a bundle upgrading Israel's intelligence capabilities. It's also going to have to re-arm Israel at some point when they run out of US made bombs and missiles after making thousands of smoking craters all over the area.
In general, whether or not Russia is behind any of this, it's the best thing that could happen to them at this point, with the US being in its pre-election mode yet again, and the weakness that this causes being on display to the whole planet. We don't even have a speaker of the House.
We have to do better than this.
The attack is likely the biggest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor. This is not an exaggeration. There was a major terrorist operation all over Israel and many hostages were taken and rushed back into Gaza. "Terrorist" may not even be the best word for it. These were well drilled shock troops who infiltrated over the heavily guarded Gaza border using hang gliders and balloons to stay low and avoid Israel's anti-missile radar. They got in and out undetected. Similarly, the 7000 rockets were the standard Hamas homebrew weapons which are basically scaled up fireworks. They're real low-tech stuff, and sophisticated defense systems aren't calibrated for something this small.
There's a very major security lapse here, and I suspect that a lot of people won't have jobs soon. Presumably the US will have to spend a bundle upgrading Israel's intelligence capabilities. It's also going to have to re-arm Israel at some point when they run out of US made bombs and missiles after making thousands of smoking craters all over the area.
In general, whether or not Russia is behind any of this, it's the best thing that could happen to them at this point, with the US being in its pre-election mode yet again, and the weakness that this causes being on display to the whole planet. We don't even have a speaker of the House.
We have to do better than this.
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"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-pr ... ed-attacks
So we got your talking points, you didn’t even have to write in “Fox News” on your phone.
Of course, you acted like we weren’t telling the truth. Will you at least admit Bengal was right?
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I listened to them this morning when they finally got around to discussing it and when they had figured out how to blame Biden for it. Believe it or not I do check enemy propaganda as well. I even read as well, something you MAGATs would know nothing about.
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See, you just proved my point. The US is perceived as weak, and rightly so, because we spend all our energy fighting among ourselves and tilting at domestic windmills instead of getting on with the very existentially essential task of actually governing the country.
It's hard to have a foreign policy when the parties will nullify anything the other party comes up with. A House divided. A speakerless House, at that. A Senate more concerned with blocking legislation from the rudderless and totally out of control House. A president who by necessity has to spend more time on just getting re-elected than on affairs of state.
What other bad guys out there have watched faux and CNN and decided the US won't be any problem for them if they do some plan they've been hatching for years?
It's hard to have a foreign policy when the parties will nullify anything the other party comes up with. A House divided. A speakerless House, at that. A Senate more concerned with blocking legislation from the rudderless and totally out of control House. A president who by necessity has to spend more time on just getting re-elected than on affairs of state.
What other bad guys out there have watched faux and CNN and decided the US won't be any problem for them if they do some plan they've been hatching for years?
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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ZoWie is right, of course. While I support the Israeli people, I think Netinyahu is a dangerous demagogue, who, of course, got re-elected by saying that Hamas would attack Israel if he wasn’t in charge, because they would fear him.
But Netinyahu has been vicious to the Palestinian people, and I think they feel they have nothing to lose.
Wasn’t Jared going to fix the whole Palestinian problem? Humph.
Interestingly, Pence is going after Trump and the GOP for their actions while Trump was President, and for their refusal to help the Ukraine people. https://www.rawstory.com/foreign-policy-mike-pence/
Of course, Glenn won’t agree with Pence, but he will now tell us how it’s all Biden’s fault.
But Netinyahu has been vicious to the Palestinian people, and I think they feel they have nothing to lose.
Wasn’t Jared going to fix the whole Palestinian problem? Humph.
Interestingly, Pence is going after Trump and the GOP for their actions while Trump was President, and for their refusal to help the Ukraine people. https://www.rawstory.com/foreign-policy-mike-pence/
Of course, Glenn won’t agree with Pence, but he will now tell us how it’s all Biden’s fault.
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The true part is that Gaza has been up against the wall for decades now, and no one did anything, and the people who might have done something couldn't get through Israel's arcane election system. Maybe Hamas decided on the doomsday option. That's what it really is, since no terrorist group in its right mind would think they had a chance of winning an all-out war with Israel and its allies.
I still like the idea that somehow Putin gets into this. He has aided terrorists in the past, and he could benefit from giving the US a second front when half its government won't even fund the first one. Intentional or just lucky, it's a win-win for Russia.
I still like the idea that somehow Putin gets into this. He has aided terrorists in the past, and he could benefit from giving the US a second front when half its government won't even fund the first one. Intentional or just lucky, it's a win-win for Russia.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
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gounion wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:56 pm ZoWie is right, of course. While I support the Israeli people, I think Netinyahu is a dangerous demagogue, who, of course, got re-elected by saying that Hamas would attack Israel if he wasn’t in charge, because they would fear him.
But Netinyahu has been vicious to the Palestinian people, and I think they feel they have nothing to lose.
Wasn’t Jared going to fix the whole Palestinian problem? Humph.
Interestingly, Pence is going after Trump and the GOP for their actions while Trump was President, and for their refusal to help the Ukraine people. https://www.rawstory.com/foreign-policy-mike-pence/
Of course, Glenn won’t agree with Pence, but he will now tell us how it’s all Biden’s fault.
Why don't you try very hard to not be an asshole for the next day or two.
I hurt your feelings everyone knows it, making me the focal point of every post especially on this topic is beyond ignorant.
Time to put on your big boy panties and get over it
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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No, you get YOURS on. You acted like you didn't believe Bengal and demanded a link.
So you got it.
The least you could fucking do is to admit that he was right about Fox News.
And you can't hurt my feelings. You're the one that goes nuts on the board, not me. You're the one that attacks the left as antisemitic. That was your very first post.
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When did you become Bengal?gounion wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:31 pm https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-pr ... ed-attacks
So we got your talking points, you didn’t even have to write in “Fox News” on your phone.
Of course, you acted like we weren’t telling the truth. Will you at least admit Bengal was right?
As for not responding earlier I had to drive 600 miles today.
If I don't respond much it will be because I barely have service where I am parked.
Now Bengal said that Fox News would blame it on Biden. Your link shows where the republicans running for President blamed it on Biden. Which is sad but expected. Just as I heard a democratic Congresswoman today on MSNBC say she wasn't surprised the attack happened just after the republicans caused chaos in the House.
So your link proves nothing as it was not the position of Fox News as Bengal claimed. Bengal obviously was voicing his opinion as fact.
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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He didn't say they would, he said they DID. And that was just one article. You go to their home page, there's more. One op/ed on their front page says "Hamas surprise attack spotlights Biden team's failures. Here's what comes next".Glennfs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:03 pm When did you become Bengal?
As for not responding earlier I had to drive 600 miles today.
If I don't respond much it will be because I barely have service where I am parked.
Now Bengal said that Fox News would blame it on Biden. Your link shows where the republicans running for President blamed it on Biden. Which is sad but expected. Just as I heard a democratic Congresswoman today on MSNBC say she wasn't surprised the attack happened just after the republicans caused chaos in the House.
So your link proves nothing as it was not the position of Fox News as Bengal claimed. Bengal obviously was voicing his opinion as fact.
You pretended they wouldn't - you demanded a link. So, admit that, yep, Bengal was telling the truth. Not opinion. Fact.
Pence blamed Trump and the GOP - says their refusal to help Ukraine shows weakness from the USA. I don't know that Putin is behind this, but he's certainly going to be all for it. But hey Trump and Fox blames Biden, so you're going to also, aren't you?
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He said Fox News would blame Biden. Your link showed where the people running for President blamed Biden not Fox News.gounion wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:15 pm He didn't say they would, he said they DID. And that was just one article. You go to their home page, there's more. One op/ed on their front page says "Hamas surprise attack spotlights Biden team's failures. Here's what comes next".
You pretended they wouldn't - you demanded a link. So, admit that, yep, Bengal was telling the truth. Not opinion. Fact.
Pence blamed Trump and the GOP - says their refusal to help Ukraine shows weakness from the USA. I don't know that Putin is behind this, but he's certainly going to be all for it. But hey Trump and Fox blames Biden, so you're going to also, aren't you?
So you going to admit you are wrong?
According to you NBC is blaming Biden as they reported on the same story.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna119328
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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You need to re-read the thread. He said they WERE blaming Biden, not that they would. He was watching Fox News, and said so in his next post.Glennfs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:17 pm He said Fox News would blame Biden. Your link showed where the people running for President blamed Biden not Fox News.
So you going to admit you are wrong?
According to you NBC is blaming Biden as they reported on the same story.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna119328
The stories are different than what is being said on the TV feed.
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There's never going to be any resolvement between The Israelis & The Palestinians only bloodshed horror & death all because of one conflict a piece of land they've been at war at since The Six Day War just tragic of what happened today & Netanyahu is unfit to lead Israel he's just a Trump clone war hawk bastard.
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So show a link where it is the position of Fox News blaming Biden.
All Fox did wss the same thing NBC did report on what the presidential candidates were saying
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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Always on the defense. So, Bengal was watching Fox, and he says that's what they were doing. You call him a liar.
Were YOU watching it? Do you know they weren't?
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Yes Bengal is lying giving his opinion as fact.
I kept switching between The Ohio State game and Fox and MSNBC. The only person who did that was a democratic Congresswoman on MSNBC whose name I missed.
To the MSNBC host credit you could hear in the host voice that she didn't approve.
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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We'll see Monday when all the talk hosts that run the network like Hannity come on to see if Fox News will blame Biden or not.Glennfs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:45 pm Yes Bengal is lying giving his opinion as fact.
I kept switching between The Ohio State game and Fox and MSNBC. The only person who did that was a democratic Congresswoman on MSNBC whose name I missed.
To the MSNBC host credit you could hear in the host voice that she didn't approve.