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sam lefthand wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:37 pm
Newsom said that last about the grab and dash thefts on July 21st. These task forces are up and running now and I would expect to see some of their investigative work product showing up sometime real soon.
This entire story is copaganda.

One Target store. One huge spike in shoplifting reports. What does it mean for San Francisco? - SF Chronicle

It means it's copaganda.
As San Francisco remains locked in a fierce debate over how best to respond to crime, shoplifting has become one flash point of the battle, dividing people across sharp political lines. But crime experts say the data required to accurately measure shoplifting is woefully inadequate.

There is no better example of the problem than the shoplifting data kept by the San Francisco Police Department.

Starting in January 2018, reported shoplifting incidents are relatively consistent at about 250 per month; they dip sharply when the pandemic begins, and then begin to slowly increase as the city reopens. And then in September 2021, they inexplicably double.

A closer look at the data shows that the spike in reported shoplifting came almost entirely from one store: the Target at 789 Mission St. in the Metreon mall. In September alone, 154 shoplifting reports were filed from the South of Market intersection where the Target stands, up from 13 in August. And then, in October, the reports from this intersection went down again to 17.

What happened at this particular Target? Did the store see a huge spike in shoplifting in September? No, said store manager Stacy Abbott. The store was simply using a new reporting system implemented by the police that allows retailers to report crime incidents over the phone.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:29 pm This entire story is copaganda.

One Target store. One huge spike in shoplifting reports. What does it mean for San Francisco? - SF Chronicle

It means it's copaganda.
It seemed like that SF Chronicle article is balanced remarkably free of bias. They point out the flaws and give a reasonable amount of detail in explaining how the statistics are being misused, and by whom they are being misused.

The topic of that Chronicle article is entirely is about run of the mill shoplifting by individuals that all stores experience on a day to day basis. It's not on the topic insofar as being about these audacious and felonious organized smash and grab violent robberies we've been talking about here.

It doesn't touch on what I was posting about, or what Gavin Newsom was talking about, or what that law he signed in July dealing with organized retail theft, which largely deals with stolen property fencing operations as well as these organized smash and grabs.

:roll:

I don't have a great impression of the SF police force. One time years ago I reported a credit card attempted theft to their office. I brought them details of the attempted crime with the mailing address of the crooks, I felt that they should have been able to do something but got the impression that once I left their office they tossed my information and report into the trash and did exactly nothing.

It was a good thing my credit card company dealt with it because they police there certainly were not going to. We stopped the crime from happening but the crooks had no risk in trying so I would think they tried again and might have gotten away with it on other attempts with other victims.

And not only that the cops office was filthy and stank to high heaven.

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Your local police department sure could use some of that reforming.
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sam lefthand wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am It seemed like that SF Chronicle article is balanced remarkably free of bias.
Not really interested in validation, buy-in, or agreement from you.
Your local police department sure could use some of that reforming.
The current SFPD is the result of decades and decades of so-called reform: violent, incompetent, with dyed-in-the-wool racists in the ranks, which is just how you guys like it. So it's very easy for you and these other no-account cons to talk into the wind about "reform," when you'll never be leaving your house with dark skin, or be confused with someone who is, into a city full of hostile police.

I can tell by your cavalier attitudes regarding other people's lives.

San Francisco Police Officer Charged With Shooting Man Who Died 3 Years Later - NYT
Officer Kenneth Cha, charged with voluntary manslaughter, “lacked a lawful basis to even arrest” the man and “elevated a nonviolent encounter,” the district attorney said.
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Number6 wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:34 pm For mobs looting the stores in snatch-n-grabs it's organized crime (not the Mafia-type), pure and simple.
Yes, thank you for telling the truth. Had it ever happened at my little store there would have been 6 dead criminals.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:49 am Yes, thank you for telling the truth. Had it ever happened at my little store there would have been 6 dead criminals.
....as well as a couple of customers shot by the store owners or employee.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:49 am Yes, thank you for telling the truth. Had it ever happened at my little store there would have been 6 dead criminals.
You're a very violent person. You don't get to shoot and kill people for looting.
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Drak wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:21 pm You're a very violent person. You don't get to shoot and kill people for looting.
I'm sure glen knows how to safely handle a firearm. After all, he was honor grad at the Barney Fife School of Firearm Safety. :lol:
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:49 am Yes, thank you for telling the truth. Had it ever happened at my little store there would have been 6 dead criminals.
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"Pro life" though. "Follower of Christ" though. :roll:
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Number6 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:31 pm With the smash-and-grabs, expect the republicans to start their "law-and-order" campaign blaming Biden, Harris and other Democrats for not doing anything about it even though it's a local problem. Running on "law-and-order" is an old tactic they've used since the crook named Nixon was in office.
For all we know it could be organized by the police themselves.
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Drak wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:51 pm "Pro life" though. "Follower of Christ" though. :roll:
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Drak wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:21 pm You're a very violent person. You don't get to shoot and kill people for looting.
These are the same people holding a wake for some burnt-out CVS store but claiming Freddie Gray deserved the rough ride and murder he got.

They're just mad because we're not the property, anymore.
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Drak wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:21 pm You're a very violent person. You don't get to shoot and kill people for looting.
It is a wet dream for them. The cherry on top would be if the looter was Black.

While I think most of this is organized crime, there are a lot of people on the shit end of our system who might be homeless or close, and if they engaged in this we should not be surprised or all that upset.

If you want to get upset about it, talk to the billionaires and their enablers (vast majority of enablers are cons) who make sure there is a constant supply of poor people.
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Motor City wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:31 pm For all we know it could be organized by the police themselves.
Or it could be organized by the store owners themselves pulling off a giant insurance scam. I serious doubt it's the police or store owners but a bunch of people who've figured it would be harder to catch a large number of people robbing a store in a couple of minutes. It is organized, why else would a bunch of "strangers" all of a sudden decide to show up at a store wearing masks and parking their cars in the street outside the door for a fast getaway, and most likely it will be discovered it was organized over some social media platform.
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Motor City wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:31 pm For all we know it could be organized by the police themselves.
For all we know, indeed.

What we do know is we wouldn't have to worry that it were the people at the bottom of the economic ladder if our bottom wasn't so far down and crowded.
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Number6 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:05 pm Or it could be organized by the store owners themselves pulling off a giant insurance scam. I serious doubt it's the police or store owners but a bunch of people who've figured it would be harder to catch a large number of people robbing a store in a couple of minutes. It is organized, why else would a bunch of "strangers" all of a sudden decide to show up at a store wearing masks and parking their cars in the street outside the door for a fast getaway, and most likely it will be discovered it was organized over some social media platform.
Well we don't know, which is a good reason not to alter things to fit our fears, were better with laws and policies that fit our rights and justice. it could be authorities it could be business were not at the point of determining what the problem even is. Is it abuse of authority's powers, business powers, is it collaboration or is it individuals, is it political in nature?

Generally when the law-and-order campaign gets underway it's a block formed by business, complicit news media and authorities there are wealthy donors and an unholy alliance to misinforming the public.
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Libertas wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:19 pm For all we know, indeed.

What we do know is we wouldn't have to worry that it were the people at the bottom of the economic ladder if our bottom wasn't so far down and crowded.
yea that's right also dysfunctional
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It has nothing to do with a new variant which has only been in the public eye for a week. That's not long enough to have any statistical effect on anything. Inflation is currently being driven by scarcity, and scarcity is the result of last year's economics. Along with covid, the current primary issue, we still have the older problems caused by over-reliance on cheap-labor offshore sources and contractors. These cause dangerously heavy reliance on international trade and shipping, which can be disrupted for many reasons. Now we see the result.

The media, of course, will blame Biden, because they are funded by the only class that actually benefits from this defective economic system. They're not allowed to tell the truth.

Back on topic, last night was another big one in Beverly Hills. When I went to sleep they once again had the same streets closed as they did a couple of nights ago, because they were doing a perimeter search for yet another group of multiple suspects. People who live in the area are bitching about the helicopters buzzing all the time. Boo hoo hoo.

Back in the real world, people care more about homeless camped on their street, armed gangs following them home, or crime everywhere they go. This has combined with increased remote working to precipitate a major exodus of classes that can afford to leave cities. Everyone's talking about it. It's happening all over SoCal and in New York too. It's big, and it's real. Very 1950s. It's easy to see where that might lead, and it's not good.
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Well.

Big home invasion last night in the rich celebrity part of BH, yes those very fabled hills, and a famous musician's wife was shot to death. That was after the incident I mentioned. It's a new one that we just found out about. It actually changed lunch plans in This Town. I kid you not. That's when you know it's big. Oh, and it's also all over Google, so the real world can participate too.

It's becoming obvious that robberies by organized armed groups are This Town's newest major problem, as if it needed another one. There aren't enough cops in the world to stop it.

You don't want to be a movie star. You want to be a trained security guard licensed to pack heat. That's going to be the next big thing in LA.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:55 am It has nothing to do with a new variant which has only been in the public eye for a week. That's not long enough to have any statistical effect on anything. Inflation is currently being driven by scarcity, and scarcity is the result of last year's economics. Along with covid, the current primary issue, we still have the older problems caused by over-reliance on cheap-labor offshore sources and contractors. These cause dangerously heavy reliance on international trade and shipping, which can be disrupted for many reasons. Now we see the result.
COVID may have some statistical impact on crime but I doubt that it's very high. I agree that the Omicron variant is too new to have an impact on the increase in crime let alone the smash-and-grab robberies.
The media, of course, will blame Biden, because they are funded by the only class that actually benefits from this defective economic system. They're not allowed to tell the truth.
The republicans and the conservative media will claim, without proof, Biden's policies are the cause and the rest of the media will blindly report the claims without fact checking or challenging them.
Back on topic, last night was another big one in Beverly Hills. When I went to sleep they once again had the same streets closed as they did a couple of nights ago, because they were doing a perimeter search for yet another group of multiple suspects. People who live in the area are bitching about the helicopters buzzing all the time. Boo hoo hoo.
Let them come and live where I live where we hear Navy helicopters throughout most of the day, Navy jets taking off, or jet engines being tested on North Island Naval Air Station. I can also hear police and civilian helicopters whenever they're over any part of Coronado. So if I don't have sympathy for the people in Beverly Hills now you know why.
Back in the real world, people care more about homeless camped on their street, armed gangs following them home, or crime everywhere they go. This has combined with increased remote working to precipitate a major exodus of classes that can afford to leave cities. Everyone's talking about it. It's happening all over SoCal and in New York too. It's big, and it's real. Very 1950s. It's easy to see where that might lead, and it's not good.
The increasing costs of living in California, especially along the coastal areas, are forcing people to move further away from where they work. Part of it is the natural fluctuation in the housing markets but much of it, IMO, is artificial due companies and investors, individual and group, buying homes/apartments for investments and jacking up rental prices. At some point, it will crash and a lot of people who are in the middle and lower income classes will feel the pain the most.
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That's why I said boo hoo hoo. I wish my biggest problem would be having to listen to helicopters. That would be a big improvement over the current situation.

In general, what's happening in Beverly Hills was pretty normal stuff in the rest of the area. Crime is completely out of control, and people are starting to panic. We're going to see another wave of class and race based mistrust and paranoia. This is nothing new in SoCal, and it sells a lot of guns, legal and otherwise. The only new part is that now the people that get abandoned by society wind up living in a street near you, imcreasing the already alarming spread of rats and diseases.

The retreat to the suburbs happened once before, and now the suburbs are cities and have the same problems. This could rinse and repeat, but there seems to be more to it than that. People are fleeing the region altogether. Presumably, a lot of places that didn't have urban problems may start having them if there's an influx somewhere else.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 pm Well.

Big home invasion last night in the rich celebrity part of BH, yes those very fabled hills, and a famous musician's wife was shot to death. That was after the incident I mentioned. It's a new one that we just found out about. It actually changed lunch plans in This Town. I kid you not. That's when you know it's big. Oh, and it's also all over Google, so the real world can participate too.

It's becoming obvious that robberies by organized armed groups are This Town's newest major problem, as if it needed another one. There aren't enough cops in the world to stop it.

You don't want to be a movie star. You want to be a trained security guard licensed to pack heat. That's going to be the next big thing in LA.
It's like the answer Willie Sutton gave when asked why he robbed banks; "Because that's where the money is." Those with the money living in Beverly Hills will attract the attentions of those willing to separate them from their money. One thing the home invasions and smash-and-grabs have in common is they overwhelm whatever resistance is in their path. The home invaders' numbers overcome the occupants in a home just as the smash-and-grabbers overwhelm a store's security.

We have a section of Coronado called the Coronado Cays which looks like a gated community but anyone can walk or drive in and around without any problem. Houses and condos there go from nearly $1 million to over $4 million dollars. It's "rumored" there are members of the "Mexican Mafia" who own and live homes there. One friend of mine who lives there says he's seen guards on some of the properties with Uzi-like guns. Home invaders will obviously ignore those homes and go after something less dangerous.

One thing I've wondered about is why aren't there smash-and-grabs in the casinos in Las Vegas? I think the reason is because the casino security will open fire on a group that tries to do that.
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I've seen Coronado Cays.

Yes, the future of LA looks more like Brazil. The rich will live in fortified enclaves, and everyone else will be out in the crime zone just trying to stay alive. That's why they call LA the first third world city in the US.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:55 am It has nothing to do with a new variant which has only been in the public eye for a week. That's not long enough to have any statistical effect on anything. Inflation is currently being driven by scarcity, and scarcity is the result of last year's economics. Along with covid, the current primary issue, we still have the older problems caused by over-reliance on cheap-labor offshore sources and contractors. These cause dangerously heavy reliance on international trade and shipping, which can be disrupted for many reasons. Now we see the result.

The media, of course, will blame Biden, because they are funded by the only class that actually benefits from this defective economic system. They're not allowed to tell the truth.

Back on topic, last night was another big one in Beverly Hills. When I went to sleep they once again had the same streets closed as they did a couple of nights ago, because they were doing a perimeter search for yet another group of multiple suspects. People who live in the area are bitching about the helicopters buzzing all the time. Boo hoo hoo.

Back in the real world, people care more about homeless camped on their street, armed gangs following them home, or crime everywhere they go. This has combined with increased remote working to precipitate a major exodus of classes that can afford to leave cities. Everyone's talking about it. It's happening all over SoCal and in New York too. It's big, and it's real. Very 1950s. It's easy to see where that might lead, and it's not good.
Well to simplify it its business and government shoplifting in peoples and customers pocket and as they are doing that authorities are chasing disabled people in wheel chair and shooting them from behind who they suspect of shoplifting. Its really stark difference.
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