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[JoeMemphis]

Look, you want to have the definition that gives the most negative vibe possible. I get that.

But that's not the reality. Worldwide, Social Insurance Programs are seen as such, and not as "entitlements". Because it's not things people are entitled too. They are government-ran pension and insurance plans. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

Here's the Cambridge Dictionary definition of the word "entitled": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dic ... h/entitled



That isn't what these programs are about.

Look. I define them as they are defined in the Federal Budget. That is the reality. The government cannot force you to but insurance. That is also the reality. Ask the Obama Administration. That’s why the first ACA case before the SCOTUS was decided. Remember. It’s a tax. That’s how the administration argued the case. That’s how the court ruled. That’s reality.

You can name it whatever you like. It is what it is. It’s not insurance. It’s a government entitlement program. That’s how it’s funded. That’s how it’s run. That’s the reality.

[gounion]

Look. I define them as they are defined in the Federal Budget. That is the reality. The government cannot force you to but insurance. That is also the reality. Ask the Obama Administration. That’s why the first ACA case before the SCOTUS was decided. Remember. It’s a tax. That’s how the administration argued the case. That’s how the court ruled. That’s reality.

You can name it whatever you like. It is what it is. It’s not insurance. It’s a government entitlement program. That’s how it’s funded. That’s how it’s run. That’s the reality.

For political reasons, you can call it what you want, but that doesn’t make it true. What does Social Security say? Not what YOU say! From the Social Security government website, it lays out the history and development of Social Security, as a Social Insurance program, not an “entitlement”, which, of course, it is not, according to the definition of the word “entitled”. https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistor ... retirement.

I don’t give a fuck what you say, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m offering facts and history, you’re just talking out your ass.

[Toonces]

I think social spending can be broadly described as "everyone pooling their money to help out those in financial need".

Such a description would cover insurance and, well, social spending.

Not necessarily correct, but how I view it.

[JoeMemphis]

I think social spending can be broadly described as "everyone pooling their money to help out those in financial need".

Such a description would cover insurance and, well, social spending.

Not necessarily correct, but how I view it.

I understand your point but Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are in fact entitlement programs. That’s how they work. That’s how they are funded. Legally that is what they are. The Federal Government cannot force us to buy “insurance”. It can tax our income to pay for entitlement programs. And these programs are due to run short of cash in the next decade or so. So if this were “insurance” the reserves are woefully inadequate.

So you came name the program whatever you like. That is just packaging. The reality is these safety net programs are in fact government entitlement programs funded by payroll taxes.

[gounion]

I understand your point but Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are in fact entitlement programs. That’s how they work. That’s how they are funded. Legally that is what they are. The Federal Government cannot force us to buy “insurance”. It can tax our income to pay for entitlement programs. And these programs are due to run short of cash in the next decade or so. So if this were “insurance” the reserves are woefully inadequate.

So you came name the program whatever you like. That is just packaging. The reality is these safety net programs are in fact government entitlement programs funded by payroll taxes.

This is how Joe works. I provide definitions, government links and other information to make my case. Joe provides “because I said so”. Nothing more.

His rebuttal is “because I said so.”.

Let’s remember our insurance companies are also backed by the federal government and tax dollars. If they run dry, the government bails them out.

It’s funny how Glenn complained for years about such programs as the “nanny state” where the government “wipes your ass”. But now that it’s GLENN’S ass they’re wiping, he’s the first to sign up for it.

[Toonces]

I understand your point but Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are in fact entitlement programs. That’s how they work. That’s how they are funded. Legally that is what they are. The Federal Government cannot force us to buy “insurance”. It can tax our income to pay for entitlement programs. And these programs are due to run short of cash in the next decade or so. So if this were “insurance” the reserves are woefully inadequate.

So you came name the program whatever you like. That is just packaging. The reality is these safety net programs are in fact government entitlement programs funded by payroll taxes.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are they not social programs? Are entitlements different than social spending?

[gounion]

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are they not social programs? Are entitlements different than social spending?

The Republicans are masters of negative speech. “Entitlements” makes it sound like people are getting something they didn’t earn for free, so they’ll support ending the programs. Young people will dislike having money for the programs deducted from their checks, no realizing that, forty years down the road, they’ll need the services that money provides. The GOP wants both programs ended. Joe supports them in that, and loudly uses the negative language for them.

Of course, especially Medicare, he has no proposal for what would happen if it were ended. He doesn’t have any proposals for ObamaCare either, even though he opposed them, and said it they were proposed today, he wouldn’t support them. He says now that they are in, he doesn’t oppose them.

The right has no solutions whatsoever. They can’t build, they just want to destroy.

[JoeMemphis]

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are they not social programs? Are entitlements different than social spending?

Yep. They are social safety net programs. They most definitely are not insurance. You don’t pay premiums. You don’t own a policy. It’s a government program funded by tax dollars. Entitlements are government programs. They comprise a huge chunk of the annual budget.

[gounion]

Yep. They are social safety net programs. They most definitely are not insurance. You don’t pay premiums. You don’t own a policy. It’s a government program funded by tax dollars. Entitlements are government programs. They comprise a huge chunk of the annual budget.

Yes, you own it. It’s in your name. Your policy number is your Social Security number.

Again, you use negative language because you support destroying the programs.

[JoeMemphis]

The Republicans are masters of negative speech. “Entitlements” makes it sound like people are getting something they didn’t earn for free, so they’ll support ending the programs. Young people will dislike having money for the programs deducted from their checks, no realizing that, forty years down the road, they’ll need the services that money provides. The GOP wants both programs ended. Joe supports them in that, and loudly uses the negative language for them.

Of course, especially Medicare, he has no proposal for what would happen if it were ended. He doesn’t have any proposals for ObamaCare either, even though he opposed them, and said it they were proposed today, he wouldn’t support them. He says now that they are in, he doesn’t oppose them.

The right has no solutions whatsoever. They can’t build, they just want to destroy.

GoU spends a whole lot of time telling other people what they think when I don’t know if he knows his own mind without being told.

If GoU is telling or representing that he know what I think, then he’s lying. It’s how he posts.

[gounion]

GoU spends a whole lot of time telling other people what they think when I don’t know if he knows his own mind without being told.

If GoU is telling or representing that he know what I think, then he’s lying. It’s how he posts.

I PROVE my point. I provide definitions, links and facts. You speak out your ass.

[Glennfs]

I PROVE my point. I provide definitions, links and facts. You speak out your ass.

Fine I tried to give you an out bit now you are on record saying that communist Cuba is better on human rights than the USA

[gounion]

Fine I tried to give you an out bit now you are on record saying that communist Cuba is better on human rights than the USA

They are more supportive of gay rights than the GOP. And you support the GOP.

You’re the one that brought up Cuba, and Toonces pwned you.

[Glennfs]

They are more supportive of gay rights than the GOP. And you support the GOP.

You’re the one that brought up Cuba, and Toonces pwned you.

No you brought up Cuba when you said they were better than the USA

[gounion]

No you brought up Cuba when you said they were better than the USA

Look at the thread. YOU are the one that brought up Cuba. http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 559#p60559

I am a little slow at times and just really noticed the title of the thread.
Not allowing the person in question to wear a dress to graduation is hardly stripping her of her human rights.

But, it does show how great life in the USA truly is. Somehow I don't think people living in say Cuba would agree with the comparison

[Glennfs]

Look at the thread. YOU are the one that brought up Cuba. http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 559#p60559

No the first I mentioned it was in response to you saying that Cuba is better than the USA

[ZoWie]

I believe the argument was that even Cuba, an example of bad government if there ever was one, and hardly a shining beacon for human rights, had better laws on alternative sexuality than we do. Not that it's much of a stretch to argue that, since the USA was originally stolen from the natives by hung-up British Protestant exponents of the Missionary Position, and only when you're married, and only for making babies.

[gounion]

No the first I mentioned it was in response to you saying that Cuba is better than the USA

You are a fucking liar. I just posted your post, the first post in the thread with the word “Cuba” in it.

You’re so fucking far gone, you can’t deal with any facts. Go up, show me where I said Cuba first, and I’ll apologize to you.

Or admit you’ve got your head so far up your ass you can’t tell what reality is.

I’m laughing at you, Glenn.

[Number6]

L.A. Dodgers reverse their decision, apologize, and reinvite The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to the teams annual Pride Night.

The Los Angeles Dodgers announced Monday that a satirical LGBTQIA+ group called the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence will again be welcome at the team's annual Pride Night, nearly a week after the team rescinded its original invitation.

"We have asked the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take their place on the field at our 10th annual LGBTQ+ Pride Night on June 16th," a team statement said. "We are pleased to share that they have agreed to receive the gratitude of our collective communities for the lifesaving work that they have done tirelessly for decades."

The group will receive the Community Hero Award in a ceremony before the Dodgers' home game against the San Francisco Giants.

In their new statement, the Dodgers said they will continue working with "LGBTQ+ partners to better educate ourselves, find ways to strengthen the ties that bind and use our platform to support all of our fans who make up the diversity of the Dodgers family."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/377 ... ride-night

[Toonces]

L.A. Dodgers reverse their decision, apologize, and reinvite The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to the teams annual Pride Night.

In the meantime, the Los Angeles Angels Of Anaheim had invited them, marking the only time The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence will perform for a team with a longer name than they have.

[gounion]

Both Joe and Glenn, in the past, have said they support LGBTQ+ rights. Yet here they are on this board, standing 100% against all gay rights, since their party has given them the marching orders against gay and trans people.

[Glennfs]

Both Joe and Glenn, in the past, have said they support LGBTQ+ rights. Yet here they are on this board, standing 100% against all gay rights, since their party has given them the marching orders against gay and trans people.

Another day another lie from.our resident liar.

[gounion]

Another day another lie from.our resident liar.

Simply the truth. Please, explain why you’re so much against gay and trans rights. Why do you support the Florida governor’s attacks?

[JoeMemphis]

Both Joe and Glenn, in the past, have said they support LGBTQ+ rights. Yet here they are on this board, standing 100% against all gay rights, since their party has given them the marching orders against gay and trans people.

Just because you label a bill that is designed to protect the right of parents to raise their children as “anti” whatever, that doesn’t make it so. It just a part of the dishonest way you post. I have not taken a position as anti gay on either this board or the ESBM. Rather than dishonestly portraying my point of view, you should spend your time selling your solutions and your policy. But that might take a modicum of honesty, integrity and intelligence on your part, so confidence is not high.

[gounion]

Just because you label a bill that is designed to protect the right of parents to raise their children as “anti” whatever, that doesn’t make it so. It just a part of the dishonest way you post. I have not taken a position as anti gay on either this board or the ESBM. Rather than dishonestly portraying my point of view, you should spend your time selling your solutions and your policy. But that might take a modicum of honesty, integrity and intelligence on your part, so confidence is not high.

Did your parents freak out if you saw Uncle Milti, or Flip Wilson as Gereldine? I mean men dressed up as women all the time when we were kids. Why are you so freaked out now?