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[gounion]

Glenn is the one that, once upon a time, said not to let trans people into bathrooms because little old women would be shocked. He then said that enough had died off so he supported letting people use the bathroom they wanted to.

But now he’s back on board with the bathroom bills. Whatever Trump says.

[Glennfs]

Glenn is the one that, once upon a time, said not to let trans people into bathrooms because little old women would be shocked. He then said that enough had died off so he supported letting people use the bathroom they wanted to.

But now he’s back on board with the bathroom bills. Whatever Trump says.

I don't necessarily support or oppose the so called bathroom bills. As neither of us know what is in them. All you know is what left wing media has told you to believe.

Considering you recently claimed the republican party wants to make disabled people like my late mother work your credibility isn't very strong on these issues

[gounion]

I don't necessarily support or oppose the so called bathroom bills. As neither of us know what is in them. All you know is what left wing media has told you to believe.

Considering you recently claimed the republican party wants to make disabled people like my late mother work your credibility isn't very strong on these issues

Thanks for admitting you’re ignorant on bills, and you only believe what Trump and DeSantis tell you to believe.

[Glennfs]

Thanks for admitting you’re ignorant on bills, and you only believe what Trump and DeSantis tell you to believe.

Quick break the glass and yell trump

[gounion]

Quick break the glass and yell trump

You’re the one yelling his talking points. The man who has done nothing wrong that you can see.

[Glennfs]

You’re the one yelling his talking points. The man who has done nothing wrong that you can see.

Here is my thought. I could go to the socialist party website and find many issues that your opinion and their opinion is about the same.

Does that make you a socialist.

[Toonces]

Most Americans support social programs in one way or another. You'd be hard-pressed to find a serious individual who did not support social spending to some degree. Those that don't support any are probably dicks, anyway.

[gounion]

Most Americans support social programs in one way or another. You'd be hard-pressed to find a serious individual who did not support social spending to some degree. Those that don't support any are probably dicks, anyway.

Glenn screams “socialism” while drawing both Social Security and Medicare.

[Number6]

[ProfX]

I don't necessarily support or oppose the so called bathroom bills. As neither of us know what is in them. All you know is what left wing media has told you to believe.

Well, I know your definition of "left wing media" is usually elastic, but ...

Florida lawmakers on Wednesday passed a bill, HB 1521, aimed at requiring people to use bathrooms that line up with their sex assigned at birth.
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics- ... hroom-bill

Nearing the end of a legislative session filled with debates about transgender issues, Florida lawmakers on Wednesday passed a bill aimed at requiring people to use bathrooms that line up with their sex assigned at birth.

[snip]

It defines a female as a “person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing eggs.” It defines a male as “a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing sperm.”

[snip][end]

Now, how is this going to be enforced? Do they produce a birth certificate or a DNA sample?

And, as always, why exactly is it necessary?

Seems to me if you do as I've seen some people do at sporting events and "switch" which bathroom they use because one is too crowded, you could be arrested.

[gounion]

Here is my thought. I could go to the socialist party website and find many issues that your opinion and their opinion is about the same.

Does that make you a socialist.

You're drawing Social Security and Medicare. The government will be changing your diapers. Does that make you a socialist?

But no, I don't agree with them. I like the capitalist system. I like owning my own home. I don't want government owning all business. Pretty damned big differences.

[Toonces]

Well, I know your definition of "left wing media" is usually elastic, but ...

Florida lawmakers on Wednesday passed a bill, HB 1521, aimed at requiring people to use bathrooms that line up with their sex assigned at birth.
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics- ... hroom-bill

Nearing the end of a legislative session filled with debates about transgender issues, Florida lawmakers on Wednesday passed a bill aimed at requiring people to use bathrooms that line up with their sex assigned at birth.

[snip]

It defines a female as a “person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing eggs.” It defines a male as “a person belonging, at birth, to the biological sex which has the specific reproductive role of producing sperm.”

[snip][end]

Now, how is this going to be enforced? Do they produce a birth certificate or a DNA sample?

And, as always, why exactly is it necessary?

Seems to me if you do as I've seen some people do at sporting events and "switch" which bathroom they use because one is too crowded, you could be arrested.

Under the law, these gentlemen must use the ladies' room. That won't cause any issues, I'm sure.

[Glennfs]

You're drawing Social Security and Medicare. The government will be changing your diapers. Does that make you a socialist?

But no, I don't agree with them. I like the capitalist system. I like owning my own home. I don't want government owning all business. Pretty damned big differences.

Those are insurance plans that I was forced to pay into for about 50 years.

[gounion]

Those are insurance plans that I was forced to pay into for about 50 years.

The people you vote for says that it’s socialism. Are they lying to you? Yes or no?

[Number6]

The people you vote for says that it’s socialism. Are they lying to you? Yes or no?

It's worse than that. He votes for people who want to do away with them.

[gounion]

It's worse than that. He votes for people who want to do away with them.

You know, if they did, he’d be mad as hell and would blame the Dems.

[JoeMemphis]

Those are insurance plans that I was forced to pay into for about 50 years.

It NOT insurance. It’s an entitlement program paid for with payroll/income taxes. The federal government cannot force you to buy an insurance product. They CALL it insurance. The also called the last green energy bill the Inflation Reduction Act. Neither are correct. It’s all marketing.

[gounion]

It NOT insurance. It’s an entitlement program paid for with payroll/income taxes. The federal government cannot force you to buy an insurance product. They CALL it insurance. The also called the last green energy bill the Inflation Reduction Act. Neither are correct. It’s all marketing.

You don't own definitions. While your definition is correct, it's also Social Insurance by definition too. From Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/social-ins ... on-5214692

What Is Social Insurance?

Social insurance might be an unfamiliar term, but most people are familiar with its programs. Citizen-funded, government-administered programs that support the community in times of financial instability, whether due to financial hardship, disability, or age, are considered social insurance.

Social insurance programs are funded by the people who use them. Look at an average paycheck and you'll see deductions for Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment. Those deductions feed the pool of benefits that create a safety net for retirement or in case of hardship or illness.

Most people don't think of Social Security payments, unemployment benefits, or workers' compensation as insurance, but that's precisely what they are: a system that provides a cushion to shield participants from financial harm.

Examples of federal social insurance programs include:

• Social Security provides a basic income to those in their later years.
• Unemployment insurance offers income replacement after a job loss.
• Medicare provides low-cost health insurance to those over the age of 65.
• Workers' compensation replaces lost wages after an employee has been injured on the job and funds vocational rehabilitation.
• Social Security Disability insurance provides income for those unable to work because of illnesses, injuries, pregnancy, or childbirth.

Calling them "entitlements" is a negative label, such as "illegal" to speak about undocumented workers. The benefits are EARNED benefits, they same as your paycheck. Yep, you're ENTITLED to that, too, aren't you, but no one calls your paycheck an "entitlement".

Another take from MarketWatch: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this- ... 2020-02-04

The term entitlement has developed a negative connotation, said Nancy Altman, president of Social Security Works, which advocates for expanding the program. “Focus groups have found when you ask people to name entitlements, they’ll focus on welfare, and when they’re told Social Security [is an entitlement program], they get angry because of course Social Security is an earned benefit,” she said. The idea of being “entitled” has over time become associated with getting something one doesn’t deserve.

I'm sure that's why you are so high and mighty and demand that everyone defines the programs like you want to define them.

It won't work.

[JoeMemphis]

You don't own definitions. While your definition is correct, it's also Social Insurance by definition too. From Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/social-ins ... on-5214692



Calling them "entitlements" is a negative label, such as "illegal" to speak about undocumented workers. The benefits are EARNED benefits, they same as your paycheck. Yep, you're ENTITLED to that, too, aren't you, but no one calls your paycheck an "entitlement".

Another take from MarketWatch: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this- ... 2020-02-04



I'm sure that's why you are so high and mighty and demand that everyone defines the programs like you want to define them.

It won't work.

I define them as they are defined in the federal budget. The way they have been defined since their inception.

[gounion]

I define them as they are defined in the federal budget. The way they have been defined since their inception.

There are different definitions. What's the correct definition: "Car" or "Automobile"?

Could you show me where, in the original laws that make Social Security and Medicare, where they are termed "entitlements"?

[gounion]

Reality: https://www.ssa.gov/medicare/plan/medicare-parts

Part A (hospital insurance)

Part A helps pay for inpatient care at:

• Hospitals
• Skilled nursing facilities
• Hospice

It also covers some outpatient home health care.

Part A is free if you worked and paid Medicare taxes for at least 10 years. You may also be eligible because of your current or former spouse’s work.

Part B (medical insurance)

Part B helps cover:

• Services from doctors and other health care providers
• Outpatient care
• Home health care
• Durable medical equipment
• Some preventive services

Medicare is certainly health insurance. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

[JoeMemphis]

There are different definitions. What's the correct definition: "Car" or "Automobile"?

Could you show me where, in the original laws that make Social Security and Medicare, where they are termed "entitlements"?

You can name a bill whatever you choose. Inflation Reduction Act is an example that comes to mind. However, if you actually bother to look where these programs land in the Federal Budget they land under entitlements. They have always landed under entitlement. They operate like entitlement. They do no operate as insurance. The Federal Government cannot force you to buy insurance.

[gounion]

You can name a bill whatever you choose. Inflation Reduction Act is an example that comes to mind. However, if you actually bother to look where these programs land in the Federal Budget they land under entitlements. They have always landed under entitlement. They operate like entitlement. They do no operate as insurance. The Federal Government cannot force you to buy insurance.

Sorry, Medicare operates as insurance. It's a duck.

[JoeMemphis]

Sorry, Medicare operates as insurance. It's a duck.

The Federal Government can’t make you buy a duck either.

The Federal Government can establish an entitlement program and tax you to pay for it. That’s the reason they are called Payroll Taxes.

[gounion]

The Federal Government can’t make you buy a duck either.

The Federal Government can establish an entitlement program and tax you to pay for it. That’s the reason they are called Payroll Taxes.

Look, you want to have the definition that gives the most negative vibe possible. I get that.

But that's not the reality. Worldwide, Social Insurance Programs are seen as such, and not as "entitlements". Because it's not things people are entitled too. They are government-ran pension and insurance plans. I know why you're doing what you're doing.

Here's the Cambridge Dictionary definition of the word "entitled": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dic ... h/entitled

feeling that you have the right to do or have what you want without having to work for it or deserve it, just because of who you are

That isn't what these programs are about.