Iowa's Caitlin Clark - NCAA Woman phenom

[gounion]

Hits from all over the field - she makes shots the men won't even try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98P73SUKi9s

She's so damned good that I'm sure Glenn will accuse her of being a male. Would probably demand she drop her shorts to prove she isn't. That's how righties like to do it. Do their own "checks".

She and her teammates are playing tonight to go to the Final Four. Women's basketball players get better all the time. They do things people like Glenn tell them they can't.

[gounion]

Via AP, Women's Basketball has arrived: https://apnews.com/article/march-madnes ... c31606f0f9

March 17 - With hopes of a separate television contract in upcoming negotiations, the women’s NCAA Tournament keeps gaining momentum.

The national title game returns to network television for the first time since 1995, with an ABC broadcast on April 2 from Dallas and a one-hour pregame show.

ABC will feature at least six games from the women’s tournament, including two first-round games Saturday and a pair of second-round contests Sunday.

“Putting it on ABC, we’re giving it the best opportunity for success,” said Dan Ochs, who handles women’s basketball programming for ESPN. “This tournament continues to grow and deliver for us.”

South Carolina’s 64-49 victory over Connecticut in last year’s title game averaged 4.85 million viewers on ESPN — the most-watched women’s championship game since 2004. It was also the fourth-largest audience for the title game since the network began airing the entire tournament in 1996.

The 2022 women’s tournament overall averaged 634,000 viewers per game, a 16% increase over 2021, with many of the rounds seeing their highest averages in more than 10 years.

ESPN has every reason to believe those numbers can increase: Regular-season games on the network averaged over 190,000 viewers, making it the most-viewed regular season since 2015. And a matchup of two undefeated teams on Feb. 12, in which South Carolina topped LSU, was the most-watched regular-season women’s game since 2010 with an average of 1.47 million viewers

Advertising for the tournament has sold out for the second straight year, ESPN said, with 15 broadcast sponsors and nearly 100 advertisers.

It’s the third year that all of the women’s NCAA Tournament games will have national air time between ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and ESPNews. The staggered start times and multiple channels brings it in line with the men’s tournament in terms of access.

Up until 2019, ESPN used regional windows during the first two rounds, with the games mostly on ESPN or ESPN2.

ESPN’s current contract to broadcast the women’s tournament expires next year. Right now, the women’s tournament is part of a package with 28 other title events and does not include the men’s tournament. ESPN pays $34 million per year for the championships package, which it agreed to in 2011.

The NCAA is expected to decide by the fall if the women’s tournament will become a separate entity, along with how the other championships may be divided.

[Ted]

She's the best shooter in college basketball.

Truly a fun player to watch.

[Ted]

Via AP, Women's Basketball has arrived: https://apnews.com/article/march-madnes ... c31606f0f9

Running the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments as one great entertainment package would generate huge ratings.

Fold the first four rounds of play together until both Final Fours are set then move to alternate days. Women Friday and Sunday. Men Saturday and Monday. All games played at the same location. Everything on the same network.

Not too many years ago it wouldn't have been as compelling. UConn and Tennessee vs the field. Now, there is tremendous parity in women's college basketball and the product is as strong as it has ever been.

[gounion]

Running the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments as one great entertainment package would generate huge ratings.

Fold the first four rounds of play together until both Final Fours are set then move to alternate days. Women Friday and Sunday. Men Saturday and Monday. All games played at the same location. Everything on the same network.

Not too many years ago it wouldn't have been as compelling. UConn and Tennessee vs the field. Now, there is tremendous parity in women's college basketball and the product is as strong as it has ever been.

Um, I may not understand - but that's what they are doing now. Next Friday is the two women's, games, Saturday the men's, Sunday the women's final, and Monday the men's.

In 2021, the NCAA commissioned an investigation after social media reports showed the NCAA treated the women as second-class NCAA citizens, with the men at the tournament having lavish meals, state-of-the-art weight training facilities, and huge SWAG bags of gifts, while the women were given box lunches, a pair of dumbells and a yoga mat for training, and SWAG that wasn't near what the men had. The women weren't even allowed to use the slogan "March Madness".

NCAA leadership should have been fired over this, but of course, nothing happened to them.

The report that was issues was quite damning. https://ncaagenderequityreview.com/

And the NCAA has implemented most of the report's recommendations, which are helping bring the women's game up to the stature it deserves. It's an exciting product. From the report:

The NCAA commissioned Kaplan Hecker & Fink LLP (“KHF”) to conduct an independent Gender Equity Review of the Women’s Basketball Championship. In connection therewith, KHF retained Desser Sports Media, Inc. to perform this review of the NCAA’s media and sponsorship rights. Sports media professionals Ed Desser, John Kosner, and Neil McDonald performed this analysis on an independent basis, without direction or interference from the NCAA. We can attest that this document solely and accurately reflects our expert opinions, which are as follows:

Major live sporting events with high ratings and a critical mass of programming are more important than ever in the media and linear pay TV business, as high value general entertainment programming increasingly shifts to premium streaming platforms.

• The NCAA Men’s Basketball Championship (“MBBC”) is one of the biggest annual events on the sports calendar, together with the Super Bowl, NFL series like Sunday and Monday Night Football, the College Football Playoff & Championship, the NBA Playoffs & Finals, MLB Playoffs & World Series, and the NHL Stanley Cup.

• The NCAA Women’s Basketball Championship (“WBBC”) is also one of the most valuable U.S. sports media properties, and has grown to merit a place on this list. Unlike most sports TV properties today, the WBBC viewing audience and prestige continues to grow; its Championship Game viewership is up 32% since 2015, total impressions for the entire event are up 48% over the same period. Therefore, its media rights value continues to grow substantially.

• Because of the way the NCAA has packaged and sold the WBBC historically, and the extensive changes in the market since the package was last bid two decades ago, the WBBC, as part of ESPN’s NCAA Other Championships package (which also includes the rights to 28 other NCAA Championships other than the MBBC), has not achieved its full marketplace potential value.

• We estimate the WBBC alone to be worth between $81-112 million/year beginning in 2025, the first year after the current NCAA agreement with ESPN expires. A new 8- year, $909 million deal would be worth an average of about $114 million per year; a 10- year, $1.2 billion agreement would average $118 million per year.

• To unlock this value, the NCAA should:

o Break out and bid parts of the Other Championships package separately in future rights negotiations – starting with the WBBC. This way, the NCAA
would likely attract multiple media entities, in addition to ESPN, to bid to telecast the events. Sample smaller packages include the WBBC by itself, Men’s & Women’s College World Series as a package, etc. We believe these packages will collectively generate far more total value for each Championship than the present approach.

o Rework the Corporate Partner Program (“CPP”) to generate more total revenue and direct more sponsorship support to the Other Championships, including the WBBC (e.g., a new rung in the CPP for sport-specific, non-conflicting sponsors), without sacrificing partner value for the MBBC. The practical effect of the present structure is that the NCAA has Corporate Champions and Partners of the MBBC, but not the NCAA. The CPP earmarks just 0.1% to any NCAA Championship other than the MBBC.

o Better align incentives for its media partners to enhance CPP sales opportunities for all of the NCAA’s Other Championships.

• In addition, the NCAA should make several other changes in order to increase interest and expand the value of the WBBC, as well as the MBBC and the Other Championships:

o Combine the MBBC and WBBC’s Final Four at a single location on the same weekend, starting ideally in 2023 to maximize impact on future TV negotiations.

o Consider starting to play the 2023 Women’s Championship game (and potentially the Women’s Final Four) in the same dome as the Men’s Final Four.

o Use “March Madness” branding and marketing for both the WBBC and MBBC starting immediately.

o Add more telecasts of the WBBC on ABC, including potentially simulcasts of the Final Four and Championship game in the form of a Megacast (airing
simultaneously on ESPN), starting in 2022.

o Move the Sunday WBBC Championship game completely into prime time, starting between 8-9pm EDT (similar to MBBC Final), and rework the
schedules to eliminate as many same time conflicts in the MBBC and WBBC as possible.

o Create a combined MBBC/WBBC brackets announcement show simulcast on CBS, Turner and ESPN, and prioritize other major cross promotion for the WBBC and MBBC by Turner, CBS and ESPN.

o Negotiate to enhance the “NCAA March Madness Live” App by combining coverage and live streaming for both the MBBC and WBBC and create new
WBBC video programming designed for social media platforms (including game content and behind the scenes access).

• Collectively, we believe these additional steps could further increase the media rights value of the WBBC by up to an additional 25% over time. There is similar untapped potential in the remaining Other Championships as well.

[Glennfs]

She's the best shooter in college basketball.

Truly a fun player to watch.

The best shooter in college basketball plays for The Ohio State. I forget her name but she went to the same HS my brother graduated from in 69.

[gounion]

More from the report:

The WBBC Final is among ESPN’s highest-rated programs other than NFL games and the College Football Playoff – delivering an audience on par with NBA Playoff Conference Finals, College Football Conference Championship Games and regular- season college football games, Major League Baseball Wild Card Playoffs, Men’s & Women’s Tennis Grand Slam Finals, and double the size of this year’s Duke vs. UNC regular-season rivalry basketball games.

I'm betting that next Sunday's final game on ABC will draw huge ratings, not that far from the men's game Monday night. Personally, if Iowa wins tonight, the game to watch will be the South Carolina/Iowa game in the semis.

NCAA women's basketball has arrived.

[Glennfs]

Hits from all over the field - she makes shots the men won't even try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98P73SUKi9s

She's so damned good that I'm sure Glenn will accuse her of being a male. Would probably demand she drop her shorts to prove she isn't. That's how righties like to do it. Do their own "checks".

She and her teammates are playing tonight to go to the Final Four. Women's basketball players get better all the time. They do things people like Glenn tell them they can't.

If she were a male at best she would be a bench player on a division 3 college.

[Ted]

Um, I may not understand - but that's what they are doing now. Next Friday is the two women's, games, Saturday the men's, Sunday the women's final, and Monday the men's.

In 2021, the NCAA commissioned an investigation after social media reports showed the NCAA treated the women as second-class NCAA citizens, with the men at the tournament having lavish meals, state-of-the-art weight training facilities, and huge SWAG bags of gifts, while the women were given box lunches, a pair of dumbells and a yoga mat for training, and SWAG that wasn't near what the men had. The women weren't even allowed to use the slogan "March Madness".

NCAA leadership should have been fired over this, but of course, nothing happened to them.

The report that was issues was quite damning. https://ncaagenderequityreview.com/

And the NCAA has implemented most of the report's recommendations, which are helping bring the women's game up to the stature it deserves. It's an exciting product. From the report:

That's the correct schedule but the games are being played at different locations.

[Glennfs]

More from the report:



I'm betting that next Sunday's final game on ABC will draw huge ratings, not that far from the men's game Monday night. Personally, if Iowa wins tonight, the game to watch will be the South Carolina/Iowa game in the semis.

NCAA women's basketball has arrived.

First nobody is defeating the Gamecocks.

Second if you actually knew anything about college basketball, you would know that SC coach Staley is the best coach in basketball today.

Third the women's finals will not have ratings anywhere near the men's. Even though this is an off year for men's basketball.

[gounion]

The best shooter in college basketball plays for The Ohio State. I forget her name but she went to the same HS my brother graduated from in 69.

Nope. Caitlin Clark has a triple double record, and she's kicked Ohio State's ass by 33 points: https://www.espn.com/womens-college-bas ... ple-double

uard Caitlin Clark and the Iowa Hawkeyes didn't just win the Big Ten women's basketball tournament Sunday. They put on an offensive exhibition that is likely to boost their status come Selection Sunday.

The junior Clark got her 10th career triple-double, her fourth this season, in No. 2 seed Iowa's 105-72 victory over the No. 4 seed Ohio State Buckeyes. Clark had 30 points, 17 assists and 10 rebounds. She is second in NCAA women's history in triple-doubles, behind the 26 that former Oregon Ducks star Sabrina Ionescu, currently with the New York Liberty, had from 2016 to 2020.

It was the first triple-double in the final of the Big Ten women's tournament, which began in 1995.

"It is a special accomplishment," Clark said. "But I truly mean it doesn't happen without every single person in the locker room. So, I'm thankful for them."

Iowa's 105 points and the 33-point margin of victory are championship game records for the Big Ten tournament. Both of those marks were previously set in 2021, when the Maryland Terrapins beat Iowa 104-84 in Clark's freshman season. The Hawkeyes still went on to the Sweet 16 that year.

[gounion]

First nobody is defeating the Gamecocks.

Second if you actually knew anything about college basketball, you would know that SC coach Staley is the best coach in basketball today.

Third the women's finals will not have ratings anywhere near the men's. Even though this is an off year for men's basketball.

You obviously don't know anything about college basketball, since you didn't know that Iowa beat them by 33 points in the Big Ten tourney.

And yes, South Carolina is a great team, they were phenomenal last year, and lost their two best players to graduation, yet they're back this year. The chances of them winning the championship at the beginning of the Elite Eight was 48 percent, the rest of the field was 51 percent.

I looked, and if Iowa wins tonight, they'll meet South Carolina in the semis, not the finals.

they WILL have great ratings. As I posted, they are a huge draw in this nation. Millions will watch the finals.

[Glennfs]

Running the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments as one great entertainment package would generate huge ratings.

Fold the first four rounds of play together until both Final Fours are set then move to alternate days. Women Friday and Sunday. Men Saturday and Monday. All games played at the same location. Everything on the same network.

Not too many years ago it wouldn't have been as compelling. UConn and Tennessee vs the field. Now, there is tremendous parity in women's college basketball and the product is as strong as it has ever been.

South Carolina has won something like 45 in a row.
Until there is gambling on women's basketball they will never be even close to the men's ratings.
As for entertainment value I ve watched a couple games this tournament and it is like watching a good medium sized high school boys game.

[Glennfs]

You obviously don't know anything about college basketball, since you didn't know that Iowa beat them by 33 points in the Big Ten tourney.

And yes, South Carolina is a great team, they were phenomenal last year, and lost their two best players to graduation, yet they're back this year. The chances of them winning the championship at the beginning of the Elite Eight was 48 percent, the rest of the field was 51 percent.

I looked, and if Iowa wins tonight, they'll meet South Carolina in the semis, not the finals.

they WILL have great ratings. As I posted, they are a huge draw in this nation. Millions will watch the finals.

We were talking about individual players not the team as a whole.

She makes 47.5 pct from 3 point range.
But you being such an expert and huge fan of women's college basketball I almost sure you already knew that.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/roster/taylor-mikesell/

[gounion]

That's the correct schedule but the games are being played at different locations.

You are correct. I did see that was one thing that was recommended by the report that hasn't happened yet. I'm hoping it happens next year.

The women deserve it. And the NCAA is stupid not to do it. But then, they've had to be shamed into everything, even if they were leaving money on the table. It seems the leaders of the NCAA are just as sexist as Glenn, eh?

[Glennfs]

You are correct. I did see that was one thing that was recommended by the report that hasn't happened yet. I'm hoping it happens next year.

The women deserve it. And the NCAA is stupid not to do it. But then, they've had to be shamed into everything, even if they were leaving money on the table. It seems the leaders of the NCAA are just as sexist as Glenn, eh?

So what is your opinion of Ivory Latta's career

[gounion]

South Carolina has won something like 45 in a row.
Until there is gambling on women's basketball they will never be even close to the men's ratings.
As for entertainment value I ve watched a couple games this tournament and it is like watching a good medium sized high school boys game.

Let's be clear: In high school boys, you DON'T have a player hitting logo threes - from the logo in the center of the court, not the three point line. You should watch the video I posted at the beginning of the thread. Caitlin's making shots you don't see in the men's game.

So, you're saying that people that gamble watch the men's game. People that like basketball watch the women's game. Got it.

[gounion]

We were talking about individual players not the team as a whole.

She makes 47.5 pct from 3 point range.
But you being such an expert and huge fan of women's college basketball I almost sure you already knew that.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/roster/taylor-mikesell/

How many triple doubles?

Looks to me like Ohio State is the lesser team - they lost to Iowa big time earlier in the season too.

[Glennfs]

Let's be clear: In high school boys, you DON'T have a player hitting logo threes - from the logo in the center of the court, not the three point line. You should watch the video I posted at the beginning of the thread. Caitlin's making shots you don't see in the men's game.

So, you're saying that people that gamble watch the men's game. People that like basketball watch the women's game. Got it.

If you were objective instead of woke. You would see that those women would never get a shot off because they do not have a jump shot.
Now if it were simply a shooting contest the woman would have a 50/50 if not greater chance at winning

[Glennfs]

How many triple doubles?

Looks to me like Ohio State is the lesser team - they lost to Iowa big time earlier in the season too.

Ohio State is definitely the lesser team. But they have a player hitting 47.5 from 3 point range

[gounion]

Ohio State is definitely the lesser team. But they have a player hitting 47.5 from 3 point range

I was pointing out how great that Caitlin was. You had to try to argue, and got it shoved down your throat.

Deal with it.

[gounion]

If you were objective instead of woke. You would see that those women would never get a shot off because they do not have a jump shot.
Now if it were simply a shooting contest the woman would have a 50/50 if not greater chance at winning

You fucking idiot, this has NOTHING to do with 'woke'. That's just a stupid idiotic buzzword you don't even understand yourself.

It's about women getting better all the time. There was a time when MEN didn't have a jump shot. They get better every year.

For you, this is just about hating women's sports.

[gounion]

BTW, Glenn, I'm sure that Taylor Mikesell is a fine player, but I just looked up the stats. Taylor this season averages 17 points a game, Caitlin averages 27. Their 3 point percentage is about the same, but Caitlin shoots and makes more, and lots of logo shots, where I'm betting Taylor's is mostly from the 3 point line.

You don't know shit about the women's game, because you hold it in contempt.

[gounion]

Can’t believe Caitlin Clark - in 2nd Q, the first 30 points that Iowa made (leading 30-25), Caitlin Clark either made or assisted.

[Ted]

41-point triple double.

Unreal.