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I've been thinking about how stupid this whole thing is. I mean, there just aren't adults in office in Tennessee. I guess any movie showing in Tennessee with a man in drag will automatically be rated X in Tennessee theaters. That's how stupid this law is.

And it's not just here. These laws are being drafted across the nation by the GOP.

And we don't have any adults amongst our conservatives on this board, either.

They all say they are for gay rights. They all say they're for freedom of speech. But they aren't for people to have the right to dress as they wish.

Hell, even the Governor dressed in drag, but he wants to demand that no one else does.

This isn't about the safety of children. Of course not. We all grew up watching men in drag in movies and on TV. Are they saying we were scarred because of what we saw? No, of course not. This is just them needing to find someone to "other" and to demonize in their hate-filled tactics. Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem comes to mind:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I want each of you to read this, because I know you will. But you won't comment on it, because you are all gutless.

You say you support gay rights, but none of you will stand up to this demonizing of good, decent human beings. For political reasons, you aren't willing to stand up even on a message board, just like the "Good Germans" weren't willing to stand up for the Jews. THIS is what's happening:
Even before the performance started, protesters had gathered outside a drag show over the weekend in Southern Pines, N.C. The police deployed outside a small theater there, separating opponents of the show from those who had turned out to make sure it could go on. Weapons were barred from the street nearby.

But as the performance got underway, the theater — and much of the city — suddenly went dark, the result of what officials said was deliberate gunfire that targeted two electrical substations.

Investigators have not established any connection between the attack and the drag performance. But for many in the drag community and beyond, the coincidence of timing sparked immediate suspicion, in part because of online comments that speculated about a link. The suspicion resonated because drag shows, now a regular feature of weekend entertainment across a growing swath of America, have become an increasingly tense and armed frontline in recent months in the nation’s fraught struggle over gender and identity.

In San Lorenzo, Calif., in June, a group of men with the far-right Proud Boys entered a public library to stop a drag performer from reading a book to children. Outside a drag brunch in August in Roanoke, Texas, protesters confronted heavily armed counterprotesters who carried AR-15-style rifles and wore rainbow colors in addition to their mostly black attire. In Memphis, armed protesters forced the cancellation of a drag event in September at the Museum of Science and History in September. Early on Halloween, a man firebombed a doughnut shop in Tulsa, Okla., that had hosted a drag event.
Here's what's sad: You just don't give a shit if anyone dies. It's all "for the greater good" of Republicans winning elections.

But tell me: Did you EVER look back on the history of the Jews in Germany and think "I wouldn't have stood mute. I would have stood up".

If you did, you were lying to yourself. Because you are standing mute here. Hell, you are SUPPORTING demonizing these people. You are all gutless worms, and you have earned the contempt of good Americans, who DO stand up for human rights.
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Yeah, attacking a nearby electrical substation just to shut down a drag performance ... wow.

That could take out power to a nearby hospital, or dialysis center, or other essential services in the area. But I doubt they care, at least they stopped the drag show.

Yes, I call that domestic terrorism.

Look, some things have to be understood here. Drag is a kind of performance that people do. They are not necessarily trans or have a non cis gender identity. But some are. In either case, it's a ridiculous over-reaction.
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ProfX wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:58 pm Yeah, attacking a nearby electrical substation just to shut down a drag performance ... wow.

That could take out power to a nearby hospital, or dialysis center, or other essential services in the area. But I doubt they care, at least they stopped the drag show.

Yes, I call that domestic terrorism.

Look, some things have to be understood here. Drag is a kind of performance that people do. They are not necessarily trans or have a non cis gender identity. But some are. In either case, it's a ridiculous over-reaction.
That goes without saying, since Milton Berle, Flip Wilson, Jack Lemmon, John Travolta, Wesley Snipes, Tom Hanks, Patrick Swayze, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams, Jared Leto and many others have appeared in drag. Oh, and Jamie Farr.

I guess they’ll be taking MASH off the air in Tennessee lest children might gaze upon it.

I mean, the Governor of Tennessee appeared in drag. Does that mean he’s trans?

This is just right-wing cruelty, and our conservatives are fully on board with it.
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We can also add Monty Python and Kids in the Hall to that list.
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gounion wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:08 pm That goes without saying, since Milton Berle, Flip Wilson, Jack Lemmon, John Travolta, Wesley Snipes, Tom Hanks, Patrick Swayze, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams, Jared Leto and many others have appeared in drag. Oh, and Jamie Farr.

I guess they’ll be taking MASH off the air in Tennessee lest children might gaze upon it.

I mean, the Governor of Tennessee appeared in drag. Does that mean he’s trans?

This is just right-wing cruelty, and our conservatives are fully on board with it.
Nice strawman argument it works well with liw information voters.
I don't recall any of those performers ever going on stage stroking a dildoe
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:59 pm Nice strawman argument it works well with liw information voters.
I don't recall any of those performers ever going on stage stroking a dildoe
Demonization.

Are the drag performers at most shows for kids doing any such thing? Yes or no.

You just proved what I said was true. You don’t support gay rights. You don’t mind who gets killed, either, do you?

After all, they are ALL guilty of “stroking a dildo on stage” to you, aren’t they?

Because they are ALL evil to you.

You have proved you don’t have a conscience.
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gounion wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:09 pm Demonization.

Are the drag performers at most shows for kids doing any such thing? Yes or no.

You just proved what I said was true. You don’t support gay rights. You don’t mind who gets killed, either, do you?

After all, they are ALL guilty of “stroking a dildo on stage” to you, aren’t they?

Because they are ALL evil to you.

You have proved you don’t have a conscience.
He’s a straight up bigot. One incident Christina Aguilera concert (who cares), after hours, and suddenly all drags queens and drag shows are evil. Simple minded bigot.
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gounion wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:09 pm Demonization.

Are the drag performers at most shows for kids doing any such thing? Yes or no.

You just proved what I said was true. You don’t support gay rights. You don’t mind who gets killed, either, do you?

After all, they are ALL guilty of “stroking a dildo on stage” to you, aren’t they?

Because they are ALL evil to you.

You have proved you don’t have a conscience.
No that is just what people with standards are trying to prevent. A hotel just list its liquor license for sponsoring a show with all of that.
As for the rest of your nonsense just more lying bullshit from your master race.
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Drak wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:14 pm He’s a straight up bigot. One incident Christina Aguilera concert (who cares), after hours, and suddenly all drags queens and drag shows are evil. Simple minded bigot.
If it rarely happens then why are you opposing the banning of sexual explicit shows when children are present.
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Republicans cry about the government interfering in parenting but want to ban drag shows and control how other people parent. Republicans cry about freedom of speech, but they’re really against it. The fact is, these village idiots just parrot the latest faux outrage, memes and bullshit talking points. See “woke.”

Fucking brain dead bigots.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:17 pm If it rarely happens then why are you opposing the banning of sexual explicit shows when children are present.
But it's NOT banning sexually explicit shows - that's ALREADY banned. What they are banning are ALL shows in drag. I mean, what's the problem with a drag story time? Like a Mrs. Doubtfire reading stories to kids, like what happened in the movie?

BTW, this is going to cost Nashville a LOT of money. Why are you for a law that bans wearing women's clothing in public?

It's because you think you'll win votes by demonizing drag performers. And you can't learn from history. Would you be a "Good German"?
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gounion wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:22 pm But it's NOT banning sexually explicit shows - that's ALREADY banned. What they are banning are ALL shows in drag. I mean, what's the problem with a drag story time? Like a Mrs. Doubtfire reading stories to kids, like what happened in the movie?

BTW, this is going to cost Nashville a LOT of money. Why are you for a law that bans wearing women's clothing in public?

It's because you think you'll win votes by demonizing drag performers. And you can't learn from history. Would you be a "Good German"?
Waiving a dildo around? Who fucking cares. It’s a piece of plastic. JFC people are stupid. I guess republicans will want to want to start breaking into people’s homes and start arresting parents who let their kids watch Mature or R rated movies.
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bradman wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:36 am chuckle. Community standards. Anyone ever been to Sturgis? No matter which town ya end up in it's one long parade. Rows and rows of bikes parked at the curb with a constant flow of bikers showing off their fancy bikes. That's not all some are showing off. You have women in nothing but lace stockings and tassles. You can have your picture taken with young girls who have nothing on but body paint at the Amazoil booth. Then there's some guy walking around in nothing but chaps and a g string with what looks like a anaconda packed in there. Dildos? How bout the guy that rode through in chaps with a 2 ft. dildo waving back and forth from the top of his helmet. The crowd, including children, taking it all in. Kristi Noem should be ashamed for promoting such a thing. Why, there atta be a law.
And you know, if Glenn had a bike, he's take his grandson there in a New York minute.
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Anyone here ever been to a wrestling event, like WWE? There’s lots of sexual content at those shows, too, and there are lots of kids there. Republicans love those events.
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gounion wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:31 pm And you know, if Glenn had a bike, he's take his grandson there in a New York minute.
i doubt he'd take him to the Dungeon in Sturgis where for 75 bucks you can lick Jello shots off of the waitresses breasts. And while i'd question a parent that would bring his kid into some of the more wild events like Full Throttle during the day, a few parents do. Other than that, most of the families attend kid friendly events.

i guess the point kinda being...Where's the personal responsibility i always here the conservatives talk about. You don't want your kids to see a lgbtq library book reading, don't bring them. If the fear is that some things in this world may not fit your "family" morals.....Well then half of Sturgis should be shut down.
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bradman wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:08 am i doubt he'd take him to the Dungeon in Sturgis where for 75 bucks you can lick Jello shots off of the waitresses breasts. And while i'd question a parent that would bring his kid into some of the more wild events like Full Throttle during the day, a few parents do. Other than that, most of the families attend kid friendly events.

i guess the point kinda being...Where's the personal responsibility i always here the conservatives talk about. You don't want your kids to see a lgbtq library book reading, don't bring them. If the fear is that some things in this world may not fit your "family" morals.....Well then half of Sturgis should be shut down.
I'd say knowing Glenn he isn't trying to keep his grandson from seeing boobies. It's about the right's war on ALL gays. Oh sure, gay marriage is legal now, but he doesn't want his precious grandson to know anything about it.

And he wants to force his views on every by law.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Is Going After a Miami Hotel’s Liquor License for Hosting a Holiday Drag Show
It’s the latest Florida business that’s come under attack by Conservatives for hosting drag performances
https://miami.eater.com/2023/3/15/23641 ... -drag-show

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis took action on Tuesday, March 14, to revoke the liquor license of the Hyatt Regency Miami hotel in Downtown Miami over accusations that the hotel allowed minors to attend a holiday drag show at the James L. Knight Center, which is affiliated with Hyatt.

DeSantis filed an administrative complaint through the state Department of Business and Professional Regulation against the hotel. In December 2022, the James L. Knight Center hosted “A Drag Queen Christmas,” which, according to the complaint, “simulated masturbation” as well as “graphic depictions of childbirth and/or abortion” with performers “forcibly penetrating or running their exposed prosthetic breasts against the faces or oral cavities of audience members.”

In December, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation warned the Hyatt Regency against hosting a show that included sexual content in front of minors, according to a copy of the letter included in the complaint. The show, which features RuPaul’s Drag Race performers wearing “prosthetic female genitalia” during portions of the show, added a “Recommended for audiences 18+” disclaimer to the marketing materials with an additional disclaimer that “an adult must accompany minors.” The complaint alleges minors under the age of 16 were knowingly admitted into the show, but provided no evidence other than a blurry photograph of a person’s face in the complaint.

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Got that -- no minors allowed without adults present (just like an R-rated movie); BTW, other than a blurry photo of debatable provenance, no evidence any kid under 16 was actually present.

Anybody who thinks this is too risqué for 16 year olds must believe they don't already know about Pornhub.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:51 pm Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Is Going After a Miami Hotel’s Liquor License for Hosting a Holiday Drag Show
It’s the latest Florida business that’s come under attack by Conservatives for hosting drag performances
https://miami.eater.com/2023/3/15/23641 ... -drag-show

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis took action on Tuesday, March 14, to revoke the liquor license of the Hyatt Regency Miami hotel in Downtown Miami over accusations that the hotel allowed minors to attend a holiday drag show at the James L. Knight Center, which is affiliated with Hyatt.

DeSantis filed an administrative complaint through the state Department of Business and Professional Regulation against the hotel. In December 2022, the James L. Knight Center hosted “A Drag Queen Christmas,” which, according to the complaint, “simulated masturbation” as well as “graphic depictions of childbirth and/or abortion” with performers “forcibly penetrating or running their exposed prosthetic breasts against the faces or oral cavities of audience members.”

In December, the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation warned the Hyatt Regency against hosting a show that included sexual content in front of minors, according to a copy of the letter included in the complaint. The show, which features RuPaul’s Drag Race performers wearing “prosthetic female genitalia” during portions of the show, added a “Recommended for audiences 18+” disclaimer to the marketing materials with an additional disclaimer that “an adult must accompany minors.” The complaint alleges minors under the age of 16 were knowingly admitted into the show, but provided no evidence other than a blurry photograph of a person’s face in the complaint.

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Got that -- no minors allowed without adults present (just like an R-rated movie); BTW, other than a blurry photo of debatable provenance, no evidence any kid under 16 was actually present.

Anybody who thinks this is too risqué for 16 year olds must believe they don't already know about Pornhub.
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Why isn't Ron DeSantis outlawing Fantasy Fest in Key West, where naked women in bodypaint abound?

And why isn't the right putting up bills to outlaw Mardi Gras in New Orleans?
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Caution: Graphic content...

Daytona bike week....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fBQ_BPO88

Well, as graphic as Youtube will allow. :mrgreen:

In public yet!!!
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bradman wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:51 am Caution: Graphic content...

Daytona bike week....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fBQ_BPO88

Well, as graphic as Youtube will allow. :mrgreen:

In public yet!!!
Yep. This shows the pure hypocrisy of folks like Glenn and Joe. Kids can see straight sex all they want - but not a person in drag. Not even when it's g-rated.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:17 pm If it rarely happens then why are you opposing the banning of sexual explicit shows when children are present.
Because it is a solution looking for a non-existent problem.

I couldn’t possibly care less if you are a bigot although I will say I would be unsurprised if you are. That being said this is not about “saving the children” or “community standards” or any other such bullshit. It is about putting legal constraints on people the authors and supporters of the legislation just don’t like. They think that gays, drag queens, trans et al are all “abominations” to borrow from, iirc, the KJB version of their legal system.

It is that and nothing more.
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The right trumps up, pun intended, all these "problems" to distract from the real ones, most of which are caused by inequality or the insecurity guaranteed by same.

I'm supposed to get into a lather about a theory presented in graduate law schools being supposedly a cover for indoctrination of first graders that "all white people are evil." Sorry, I prefer real problems. Like a tiny transnational oligarchy treating the rest of us as slaves, marks, or cannon fodder.
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gounion wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:56 am Yep. This shows the pure hypocrisy of folks like Glenn and Joe. Kids can see straight sex all they want - but not a person in drag. Not even when it's g-rated.
I flipped through it and saw no children present at anything salacious. Maybe you could provide what minute and second to go to.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:48 pm I flipped through it and saw no children present at anything salacious. Maybe you could provide what minute and second to go to.
Thanks for making our point. It's okay to have kids at such thing, but not to have anyone in drag.

I guess we need to rate Tootsie XXX.
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