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Libertas wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:41 pm Just saw the link to vice.com a bill in Florida now will ban all gender affirming care of all ages.

Like I said, like some of you said, they are coming after all of us
At what age do you believe it is appropriate to begin things like puberty blockers.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:22 pm At what age do you believe it is appropriate to begin things like puberty blockers.
I don’t know. I’m not a doctor nor a parent.

Are YOU qualified to make such a decision for other people?
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They are called puberty blockers because they don't work past puberty. If you're going to use them, they have to be used then.

Like GoU, I think the decision to use them should be left up to medical professionals, not politicians. The Florida bill is so ridiculously vague, it could outlaw women with breast cancer from receiving mastectomies.
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It's just women and trans kids, and the GOP doesn't give a shit about them.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:36 pm It's just women and trans kids, and the GOP doesn't give a shit about them.
The new bill will deny care for all human beings. Like I have said for a long time, cons want us all gone or dead.

There is no longer a debate over that.
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This would be rated X today. Oh, and Glenn, don't let your innocent little grandson see this! From the legendary Spike Jones!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tum4XL9x_Ns
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:04 pm I have seen clips from the pride parades in New York City and San Francisco and they are quite different than Nashville Tennessee.
So your strawman is meaningless. It is about community standards.
If you are OK with drag artists dressed provocatively stroking a 22 inch dildoe while marching that is fine. But, most people aren't.
I wonder if it's okay for Lauren Boebert to grope and be groped during a production at a family theater?
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If it gets attention in a world saturated with media noise, it's good, in this political system.

Outrage has its uses, though it is dangerous to mess around with. It often goes off in your face.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:16 pm If it gets attention in a world saturated with media noise, it's good, in this political system.

Outrage has its uses, though it is dangerous to mess around with. It often goes off in your face.
I'm not outraged - it's what I expect from the right. Pure hypocrisy.
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You bring up an interesting point. When the right does outrage, it gets them attention, and it usually seems to help them. When out-groups do outrage, it gets them attention, but it's usually the tsk-tsk kind, and it seems mostly to make their social status even worse.

I think you're onto something here. It definitely appears as if the right has done a better job of weaponizing outrage.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:27 pm You bring up an interesting point. When the right does outrage, it gets them attention, and it usually seems to help them. When out-groups do outrage, it gets them attention, but it's usually the tsk-tsk kind, and it seems mostly to make their social status even worse.

I think you're onto something here. It definitely appears as if the right has done a better job of weaponizing outrage.
Yes, they've taken manufacturing outrage to a whole new level. And Glenn LOVES to manufacture it. That's why he's gone crazy over anti-trans because once a drag queen had a dildo, and it was late night but there might have been a kid there, so trans people must be attacked.

But he's silent on Boebert. That's because he hasn't been given any marching orders to manufacture outrage, plus it shows he really isn't worried about the children, he just wants to hate whoever the right tells him to hate.

And he wants to pretend it's important, except when it isn't.

Yes, it started with Rush Limbaugh, and now there's the entire MAGA-verse that's built to tell folks lie Glenn - and JoeMemphis and Green Grass - what to be outraged about.

Just like all the "Biden is old" outrage, to magnify any little thing. But when Trump does something, silence. And when McConnell freezes up at the lectern? Why, Glenn says, McConnell shouldn't run for re-election... in five years. And he doesn't feel hypocritical at all! Hell no! They've trained him well!
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gounion wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:44 pm Yes, they've taken manufacturing outrage to a whole new level. And Glenn LOVES to manufacture it. That's why he's gone crazy over anti-trans because once a drag queen had a dildo, and it was late night but there might have been a kid there, so trans people must be attacked.

But he's silent on Boebert. That's because he hasn't been given any marching orders to manufacture outrage, plus it shows he really isn't worried about the children, he just wants to hate whoever the right tells him to hate.

And he wants to pretend it's important, except when it isn't.

Yes, it started with Rush Limbaugh, and now there's the entire MAGA-verse that's built to tell folks lie Glenn - and JoeMemphis and Green Grass - what to be outraged about.

Just like all the "Biden is old" outrage, to magnify any little thing. But when Trump does something, silence. And when McConnell freezes up at the lectern? Why, Glenn says, McConnell shouldn't run for re-election... in five years. And he doesn't feel hypocritical at all! Hell no! They've trained him well!
Nobody was outraged at drag laws. Why so you feel the need to make things up.
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gounion wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:42 am I wonder if it's okay for Lauren Boebert to grope and be groped during a production at a family theater?


https://freebeacon.com/elections/joe-biden-chris-dodd/

I wonder if you opposed Chris Dodd being in charge of Biden's team to find a VP.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:39 pm https://freebeacon.com/elections/joe-biden-chris-dodd/

I wonder if you opposed Chris Dodd being in charge of Biden's team to find a VP.
All you can do is deflect. This shows what a hypocrite you are.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:27 pm They are called puberty blockers because they don't work past puberty. If you're going to use them, they have to be used then.

Like GoU, I think the decision to use them should be left up to medical professionals, not politicians. The Florida bill is so ridiculously vague, it could outlaw women with breast cancer from receiving mastectomies.
Somehow I just don't think 11 yesr old children should be making or involved in making descions which will alter the rest of their lives.

People here are opposed to 14 year olds waiting tables. But, believe 9 to 11 year olds should be allowed to alter their bodies for life.

I personally believe that the left only support children in this instance for political reasons only. Not everyone mind you but definitely a majority.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:59 pm Somehow I just don't think 11 yesr old children should be making or involved in making descions which will alter the rest of their lives.

People here are opposed to 14 year olds waiting tables. But, believe 9 to 11 year olds should be allowed to alter their bodies for life.

I personally believe that the left only support children in this instance for political reasons only. Not everyone mind you but definitely a majority.
And yet you keep repeating things that just are not true. Is that not for political reasons or is it a belief that you just can't get rid of despite reality?
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Toonces wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:02 pm And yet you keep repeating things that just are not true. Is that not for political reasons or is it a belief that you just can't get rid of despite reality?
I just don't believe children should be making life altering descions
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:24 pm I just don't believe children should be making life altering descions
And they are not. I'm not saying it has never happened but it's not a thing. They are not doing that. This has been covered and covered, yet you still continue to go with it. There must be a reason.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:27 pm They are called puberty blockers because they don't work past puberty. If you're going to use them, they have to be used then.

Like GoU, I think the decision to use them should be left up to medical professionals, not politicians. The Florida bill is so ridiculously vague, it could outlaw women with breast cancer from receiving mastectomies.
Left to medical professionals? Maybe I missed something but I don’t think you can do surgery on a child without parental permission. I’ll bet you can’t treat a minor child without parental permission. Seems to me the decision should be left to parents. Not medical professionals, teachers, guidance counselors or politicians.

Is anyone seeking to outlaw women with Brest cancer receiving mastectomies? I haven’t heard that. Seems like a classic “false equivalency” to coin a phrase often used around here.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:33 pm Left to medical professionals? Maybe I missed something but I don’t think you can do surgery on a child without parental permission. I’ll bet you can’t treat a minor child without parental permission. Seems to me the decision should be left to parents. Not medical professionals, teachers, guidance counselors or politicians.

Is anyone seeking to outlaw women with Brest cancer receiving mastectomies? I haven’t heard that. Seems like a classic “false equivalency” to coin a phrase often used around here.
[bold] Like it or not, isn't there something to be said there?

i'll go that far.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:33 pm Left to medical professionals? Maybe I missed something but I don’t think you can do surgery on a child without parental permission. I’ll bet you can’t treat a minor child without parental permission. Seems to me the decision should be left to parents. Not medical professionals, teachers, guidance counselors or politicians.
No child receiving puberty blockers is doing this without parental permission. The physicians meet with the child and parents. No, it is not being left to the child alone. BTW, I have never said 14 year olds can't wait tables or work in Mom and Pop's restaurant. But the laws that are in already in place don't let them serve alcohol. I'm just arguing those shouldn't be overturned.

It's politicians in various states that are making laws to interfere with family decisions when they have a trans child. I agree with you politicians should stay out.
Is anyone seeking to outlaw women with Brest cancer receiving mastectomies?
Florida GOP’s New Anti-Trans Bill Is So Extreme It Could Ban Treatment for Breast Cancer
The bill is one of the cruelest in the country targeting transgender people.
https://newrepublic.com/post/171330/flo ... ast-cancer

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The text defines gender clinical interventions as “procedures or therapies that alter internal or external physical traits,” including surgeries that change “primary or secondary sexual characteristics.” During the debate, Democratic Representative Christine Hunschofsky pointed out that this could prevent people from getting treatment for breast cancer, as the overly broad language could apply to mastectomies.

Bill sponsor Randy Fine—who prior to being a Republican representative was a gambling industry executive, not a doctor—was surprised to learn that young people can get breast cancer.

By the same definition, people who need prostatectomies to treat prostate cancer could also be denied treatment. The bill also bans hormone treatments, which could potentially affect care for menopause, stunted growth, and birth control.

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These hormone treatments are also sometimes used for medical conditions in children that don't involve the child having a trans identity.

That's WHY I want politicians like Randy Fine staying out of medicine.
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Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20459075

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In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment.

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Are the changes permanent?

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again.

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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:33 pm Left to medical professionals? Maybe I missed something but I don’t think you can do surgery on a child without parental permission. I’ll bet you can’t treat a minor child without parental permission. Seems to me the decision should be left to parents. Not medical professionals, teachers, guidance counselors or politicians.

Is anyone seeking to outlaw women with Brest cancer receiving mastectomies? I haven’t heard that. Seems like a classic “false equivalency” to coin a phrase often used around here.
Then why are you supporting politicians telling parents and doctors what they can't do?
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bradman wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:40 pm [bold] Like it or not, isn't there something to be said there?

i'll go that far.
I’m not sure I understand your meaning. I have no issue with folks offering counseling and advice. Doctors do it all the time. But before treatments are given or procedures are performed, someone gives those professionals permission. When was the last time you were operated on without signing a release? When was the last time you were given a medication against your will. In the case of a minor, the person who needs to grant permission is the parent. Not a physician, not a school counselor and not a politician.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:48 am I’m not sure I understand your meaning. I have no issue with folks offering counseling and advice. Doctors do it all the time. But before treatments are given or procedures are performed, someone gives those professionals permission. When was the last time you were operated on without signing a release? When was the last time you were given a medication against your will. In the case of a minor, the person who needs to grant permission is the parent. Not a physician, not a school counselor and not a politician.
You truly are an idiot.

ProfX has pointed out that parents are involved in giving consent. That's how things are done.

What YOU want is for politicians to ban parents and doctors from making those decisions at all. Period.

But you keep prattling on and lying.
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