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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:42 am Reading the first line or two of your post seemed to imply something different. If I misread that then you have my apology.

But bottomline Brad, your last paragraph says it all. I’m not asking or expecting you or anyone else to live by someone else’s standards. You have every right to expect me to follow the Constitution and there is only one of them. One version.

I’m not about to dictate to members in your community how to run and manage that community. All I expect is for them to do so lawfully and constitutionally. Exactly how they go about that is not up to me.
What a pile of passive/aggressive bullshit.

"If we want to kill all the gays in our community, that's our right!"

This is what the right is doing about trans people. BTW, before you call bullshit, Glenn (Yes, I know this reply is to Joe, but Glenn will come here and attack the article, because Glenn has hopped aboard the anti-trans train) - I got this link from Drudge. https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kxpky/ ... s-holy-war
Trans issues, in particular, have been targeted with unprecedented fervor as of late. In 2022, anti-trans hate went mainstream, with onlookers asking if the escalation in anti-trans rhetoric is constituting the beginning of a genocide. Hate groups, far-right pundits, and conservative legislators have zeroed-in on trans people and spread harmful lies and stereotypes about what it means to be trans, often falsely framing trans people as a threat to children.

The political and social environment in the U.S. for trans issues is already fraught. This year’s legislative session has seen a record-breaking 470 anti-trans bills introduced in states across the country, including three trans healthcare bans that have already been signed into law. In South Dakota, Gov. Kristina Noem signed a gender-affirming care ban this year that in many ways resembles a previously failed ban, “Vulnerable Child Protection Act,” first introduced by Deutsch in 2019, and discussed in the emails at length.

“They are not trying to protect children. They are trying to murder the transgender community,” Lecaque said.

Today, trans youth, especially Black and Brown kids, are struggling with mental health more than before, families with trans kids are considered fleeing their homes in states that are hostile to trans people, and hate groups and extremists have repeatedly incited violence at drag shows.

Numerous medical governing bodies, including the American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, however, have endorsed gender-affirming care for minors. But that hasn’t stopped several states from introducing or ratifying legislation banning gender-affirming care for minors.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:42 am Reading the first line or two of your post seemed to imply something different. If I misread that then you have my apology.

But bottomline Brad, your last paragraph says it all. I’m not asking or expecting you or anyone else to live by someone else’s standards. You have every right to expect me to follow the Constitution and there is only one of them. One version.

I’m not about to dictate to members in your community how to run and manage that community. All I expect is for them to do so lawfully and constitutionally. Exactly how they go about that is not up to me.
chuckle Ya, there's only one bible too. One bible and a hundred different interpretations.

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bradman wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:19 pm chuckle Ya, there's only one bible too. One bible and a hundred different interpretations.

Me being a Catholic, i'm betting my money on purgatory. It's sure the hell the only way i'll ever make it to heaven.

We had all better hope God grades on a curve
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 pm We had all better hope God grades on a curve
ya missed the point.

There's only one bible, and only one true interpretation of that bible. If you're not a member of the one true religion, Roman Catholicism, you're not welcome in our heavenly community. Sure, if you can afford it, we can have Mary meet ya at the basement door to let ya in. Keep in mind, once in we have a special little place for ya on the other side of the tracks. Mind your manners there and we'll let ya stay. Act like a dick and we'll have the Holy Ghost cast ya into the lake of fire.
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bradman wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:21 am ya missed the point.

There's only one bible, and only one true interpretation of that bible. If you're not a member of the one true religion, Roman Catholicism, you're not welcome in our heavenly community. Sure, if you can afford it, we can have Mary meet ya at the basement door to let ya in. Keep in mind, once in we have a special little place for ya on the other side of the tracks. Mind your manners there and we'll let ya stay. Act like a dick and we'll have the Holy Ghost cast ya into the lake of fire.
Is there only one true interpretation of the Constitution?
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bradman wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:21 am ya missed the point.

There's only one bible, and only one true interpretation of that bible. If you're not a member of the one true religion, Roman Catholicism, you're not welcome in our heavenly community. Sure, if you can afford it, we can have Mary meet ya at the basement door to let ya in. Keep in mind, once in we have a special little place for ya on the other side of the tracks. Mind your manners there and we'll let ya stay. Act like a dick and we'll have the Holy Ghost cast ya into the lake of fire.
And that’s why we have the judiciary.
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The Constitution is the poster boy of deconstructionism. Seriously, it's the example they bring up in college classes when that is discussed. Everything is interpretation and attempts to derive a propaganda advantage. They're putting their own spin on the unfathomable thoughts of dead people from an era when conscription hadn't been invented yet (nineteenth century for that one), wars were fought by people of "low" social status commanded by Lucky Sperms, and gunpowder was the deadliest weapon known.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:07 am The Constitution is the poster boy of deconstructionism. Seriously, it's the example they bring up in college classes when that is discussed. Everything is interpretation and attempts to derive a propaganda advantage. They're putting their own spin on the unfathomable thoughts of dead people from an era when conscription hadn't been invented yet (nineteenth century for that one), wars were fought by people of "low" social status commanded by Lucky Sperms, and gunpowder was the deadliest weapon known.
And yet it is the law of the land. I don’t share your opinion of the Constitution but it does set the boundaries for the federal government.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:05 am And that’s why we have the judiciary.
As do we Catholics. And it's infallible to boot.
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The Constitution is one of history's great documents. I got the proverbial lump in my throat when I looked at it in the National Archives, so you don't have to send the Thought Police around for me.

I wish we'd pay attention to it. Republicans think it applies only to rich favored white people.... come to think of it the Federalists had a similar outlook on life, though the Constitution is not a Federalist document, more of a consensus, hence the mealy mouthed treatment of slavery.

It's also one of history's most subversive documents, which is why I like it. Try taking monarchy seriously after reading THAT. Too bad the times hadn't come around far enough for a critique of oligarchy yet.

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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:05 am And that’s why we have the judiciary.
And why you pack the judiciary who wants to overturn years of decisions.
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Ya can't change the Constitution!!!

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People get so precious about it. I understand that to Americans, your constitution is very important. I respect it, but please understand that every country has one as well. It’s no more special than any other constitution. We have one in Australia. I don’t know what it says. I’ve never seen it. If there’s a problem, we’ll check it, but everything’s going fine. And don’t get me wrong. I get that the constitution is important to you. I have had… Fucking, I get it, right? I’ve had people come up to me in my face and scream at me in car parks as I’m leaving the theater, going, [In American accent] “You cannot change the Second Amendment!” And I’m like, “Yes, you can. It’s called an ‘amendment.'” If you can’t change something that’s called an “amendment”, see, many of you need a thesaurus more than you need a constitution. And if you don’t know what a thesaurus is, get a dictionary and work your way forward. Don’t think your constitution is set in stone. You’ve changed things before. You used to have prohibition in there, right? And then people were like, “Hey, who likes getting fucked up? Yeah, I like getting fucked up, too. Let’s get that one out. Let’s get that one out.”
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Well, the right wants to change it. They want to overturn all kinds of decisions, from gay marriage to abortion rights to labor rights to child labor.

That's their brave new world.
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Especially since the currently fashionable interpretation of that amendment ignores the whole first half of the sentence. Deconstruction is one thing, omission is another. It's the difference between binding arbitration and a firing squad.

Actually all of the amendments are good reading. Some are pretty out there by today's standards. I'd recommend taking all of them as attempts at consensus as times and outlook on life changed, and/or new problems came up.
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We've come a long way since the Glorious Revolution. All over the world, the progress of constitutional documents/laws has evolved since then. Why some would think that time stops with the U.S. constitution is beyond me.
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ZoWie wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:29 am The Constitution is one of history's great documents. I got the proverbial lump in my throat when I looked at it in the National Archives, so you don't have to send the Thought Police around for me.

I wish we'd pay attention to it. Republicans think it applies only to rich favored white people.... come to think of it the Federalists had a similar outlook on life, though the Constitution is not a Federalist document, more of a consensus, hence the mealy mouthed treatment of slavery.

It's also one of history's most subversive documents, which is why I like it. Try taking monarchy seriously after reading THAT. Too bad the times hadn't come around far enough for a critique of oligarchy yet.

DISCLAIMER: this interpretation of the Constitution is brought to you by a left-liberal. Your mileage can and will vary.
I can’t speak for everyone right of center but I think it applies to everybody. And I can assure you my mileage can and will vary but hopefully we both get to our destination.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:44 pm I can’t speak for everyone right of center but I think it applies to everybody. And I can assure you my mileage can and will vary but hopefully we both get to our destination.
So why are you voting for people that want to attack trans people and want to overturn the gay marriage decision?

Why do you vote for a Governor that attacks the state's largest employer because they used their free speech rights to speak against a bill, standing up for gay rights?

Questions you always run from.

The answer is you support all those things the right is doing.
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gounion wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:53 pm So why are you voting for people that want to attack trans people and want to overturn the gay marriage decision?

Why do you vote for a Governor that attacks the state's largest employer because they used their free speech rights to speak against a bill, standing up for gay rights?

Questions you always run from.

The answer is you support all those things the right is doing.
Maybe because people can look at cities and states ran by liberal democrats and see that they are all a mess and most are failing
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:01 am Maybe because people can look at cities and states ran by liberal democrats and see that they are all a mess and most are failing
Florida is a mess too. But all DeSantis can do is attack the largest employer because they disagreed with him, attack gays and try to remove all history of black people from all schools because it might make a white kid feel bad.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:24 am And yet it is the law of the land. I don’t share your opinion of the Constitution but it does set the boundaries for the federal government.
“The Law of the Land” is a pretty quote as well as pointless in this discussion. The document forbids precisely 3 things. Its purpose is foundational. It establishes a government including a judiciary. The SCOTUS took upon itself the power of judicial review which it did not have from the constitution itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_T ... nstitution

Since the document only forbids 3 things and since various amendments have added a few more any SCOTUS decision is by their vary nature the personal opinion of the justices unless it pertains to the few exceptions listed in the constitution and the bill of rights. This means that the personal biases and belief structures of 9 people get to decide what is and isn’t “constitutional” when the reality is that it is just their own opinion. A primary example was the stupidity of the Dobbs decision. Of course abortion isn’t in the constitution although I would argue that the fourth amendment covers it. No medical procedure and virtually none of what the average person does is mentioned in the constitution. This is because the constitution does not establish laws, it establishes institutions. Those institutions create and execute laws. The danger of a “community standards” argument is that the biases of the 9 justices can take away rights by judicial fiat. Even when the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of rights as in Brown v Bd of Ed some of the several states attempted and, to a degree, succeeded in ignoring that decision.
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Disney tells DeSantidiots to fuck off by booking a large LGBT conference in September 2023 and in September 2024.
The happiest place on earth just announced a large LGBT conference at its park in Orlando.

The booked summit is an apparent pushback to Desantis by the company that will occur not only in September 2023 but also in September 2024. Good luck telling American families to hate Disney in a craven attempt for votes when every kid is transfixed by the animated films they enjoy.

Disney hosts conventions all the time and hosts Gay Pride and Gay Day events at its international parks. They have been around the block a few times.

To paraphrase Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest, Don’t fuck with us, fella.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:49 pm Disney tells DeSantidiots to fuck off by booking a large LGBT conference in September 2023 and in September 2024.
Good, desantis and his friends are nazi fascist killers.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:01 am Maybe because people can look at cities and states ran by liberal democrats and see that they are all a mess and most are failing
So gays cause crime?

That is completely fucked up.

Your understanding of the causes of crime does not exist.
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Blue states are RADICALLY more successful than red states, but welcome to opposite world on this board.

Wow.

This is a perfect example of why America is broken. People stating the opposite of fact and actually believing what they say. And this is why I dont read what cons say, this time it was an accident, and why I will never address them.
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Just saw the link to vice.com a bill in Florida now will ban all gender affirming care of all ages.

Like I said, like some of you said, they are coming after all of us
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