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I don't think this will happen but if it does it's going to be a grim outcome.

U.S. four-star general warns of war with China in 2025

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - A four-star U.S. Air Force general said in a memo that his gut told him the United States would fight China in the next two years, comments that Pentagon officials said were not consistent with American military assessments.

"I hope I am wrong," General Mike Minihan, who heads the Air Mobility Command, wrote to the leadership of its roughly 110,000 members. "My gut tells me will fight in 2025."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-four-s ... 023-01-28/
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this since it's only one person's opinion and like they say, opinions are like noses; everyone has one. About 1977, a MSgt (E-8), who was also our First Sergeant and on our squadron bowling team, told me we'd be at war with Russia within five years. I disagreed with him because he couldn't say why other than it was his gut feeling. I said Russia doesn't have the logistics capability to sustain a war against the U.S. and NATO and their military wasn't as capable as the U.S. and NATO's militaries. Also, I didn't see any reasons for Russia starting a war. Looks like I was right.

As for war with China by 2025, I don't think that will happen. China is invested in very long-term planning and I believe going to war isn't within those long-term plans. The economic impact on China would be devastating setting their country's development back by at least a decade. Also, a war with China would also involve countries in Asia such as Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Australia meaning China would have a multi-front war against multi-nations and like Russia, they probably don't have the military logistics or forward bases to conduct the war.

That's my opinion.
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Number6 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:27 pm I wouldn't put too much stock in this since it's only one person's opinion and like they say, opinions are like noses; everyone has one. About 1977, a MSgt (E-8), who was also our First Sergeant and on our squadron bowling team, told me we'd be at war with Russia within five years. I disagreed with him because he couldn't say why other than it was his gut feeling. I said Russia doesn't have the logistics capability to sustain a war against the U.S. and NATO and their military wasn't as capable as the U.S. and NATO's militaries. Also, I didn't see any reasons for Russia starting a war. Looks like I was right.

As for war with China by 2025, I don't think that will happen. China is invested in very long-term planning and I believe going to war isn't within those long-term plans. The economic impact on China would be devastating setting their country's development back by at least a decade. Also, a war with China would also involve countries in Asia such as Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Australia meaning China would have a multi-front war against multi-nations and like Russia, they probably don't have the military logistics or forward bases to conduct the war.

That's my opinion.
Do you get the feeling that the massive proliferation of weapons through Europe by way of Ukraine, may be for other puposes? There is a big dark spot of movement taking place that could fit many a build up or conflict or terrorism.
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Motor City wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:48 pm Do you get the feeling that the massive proliferation of weapons through Europe by way of Ukraine, may be for other puposes? There is a big dark spot of movement taking place that could fit many a build up or conflict or terrorism.
The U.S. and European weapons being shipped to Ukraine is more of our involvement in a proxy war. That is, we supply the weapons and someone else does the fighting. We did this in Afghanistan when the Russians tried to control it and the Russians did it when we were in Vietnam. I don't think the Chechen forces who were fighting in Ukraine as Russian proxies before the Russian invasion will be in a position to acquire these weapons.

You mentioned "There is a big dark spot of movement taking place that could fit many a build up or conflict or terrorism." Will you be more specific as to whom or what you're talking about.
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What benefit would it be to China to go to war with the USA or any other country at this point in time.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:32 am What benefit would it be to China to go to war with the USA or any other country at this point in time.
They want Taiwan.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:41 am They want Taiwan.
Win Taiwan lose your number 1 trading partner
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:43 am Win Taiwan lose your number 1 trading partner
You’ve never read history, have you? And China knows our corporations don’t care if they invade Taiwan or not, they still want to make money, and won’t be bothered.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:44 am You’ve never read history, have you? And China knows our corporations don’t care if they invade Taiwan or not, they still want to make money, and won’t be bothered.
Contrary to your beliefs American Corporations are not the enemy of the people.
Our government would prevent doing business with China and out people would boycott Chinese products.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:47 am Contrary to your beliefs American Corporations are not the enemy of the people.
Our government would prevent doing business with China and out people would boycott Chinese products.
Our corporations don’t care. They want to make money, and would sell our our nation’s security to do it. Right now, most of our prescription drugs are made in China, and they could kill lots of Americans with an embargo. That’s just one product. They also manufacture the chips our military runs on. They could bring us to our knees.

That’s the reality. Our corporations aren’t American. They are multinational. Many aren’t even headquartered here.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:59 am Our corporations don’t care. They want to make money, and would sell our our nation’s security to do it. Right now, most of our prescription drugs are made in China, and they could kill lots of Americans with an embargo. That’s just one product. They also manufacture the chips our military runs on. They could bring us to our knees.

That’s the reality. Our corporations aren’t American. They are multinational. Many aren’t even headquartered here.
Yes corporations and successful people are the enemy of the state....got it
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:01 am Yes corporations and successful people are the enemy of the state....got it
I didn’t say that, who’s lying now? I said corporations are multinational, and they will profit no matter what. Hell, a war’s when they profit the most of all.

But go ahead, stand up for China.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:03 am I didn’t say that, who’s lying now? I said corporations are multinational, and they will profit no matter what. Hell, a war’s when they profit the most of all.

But go ahead, stand up for China.

In this post you have basically said that corporations will go to where the profit is.

Which seeing how this thread is about us going to war against China would make corporations an enemy of the state
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:17 am In this post you have basically said that corporations will go to where the profit is.

Which seeing how this thread is about us going to war against China would make corporations an enemy of the state
No it doesn’t. You’re just making shit up, and lying about it.

The exact thing you’re accusing me of.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:47 am No it doesn’t. You’re just making shit up, and lying about it.

The exact thing you’re accusing me of.
You said they will profit no matter what
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:49 am You said they will profit no matter what
Yep. That’s the only reason for a corporation to exist. That’s why they go to other countries to make their goods when the other countries still allow child and slave labor.

But I never called them what you said, and you know it. So you’re lying when you say that’s what I said.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:52 am Yep. That’s the only reason for a corporation to exist. That’s why they go to other countries to make their goods when the other countries still allow child and slave labor.

But I never called them what you said, and you know it. So you’re lying when you say that’s what I said.
So if a corporation is going to profit by supplying China during a time if war doesn't that make them by definition an enemy of the state
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:30 am So if a corporation is going to profit by supplying China during a time if war doesn't that make them by definition an enemy of the state
What state? They are multinational, and don’t have a state.

And you’ll still go to Walmart and buy as much Chinese stuff as you can.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:35 am What state? They are multinational, and don’t have a state.

And you’ll still go to Walmart and buy as much Chinese stuff as you can.
So you don't know what enemy of the state means....sigh
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:43 am So you don't know what enemy of the state means....sigh
Yet you say I say they are enemies of the state.

Which shows you're lying when you said that I said it.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:54 am Yet you say I say they are enemies of the state.

Which shows you're lying when you said that I said it.
More bullshit, again and this time I will type slowly.
You say corporations will go after profit no matter what.
So by providing and profiting in China during a time of war would make them by definition enemies of the state.
But, beyond that your opinion of successful people and profitable companies makes it quite obvious you consider then enemies of the state.
While you have never used those words your meaning is very obvious.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:25 pm More bullshit, again and this time I will type slowly.
You say corporations will go after profit no matter what.
So by providing and profiting in China during a time of war would make them by definition enemies of the state.
But, beyond that your opinion of successful people and profitable companies makes it quite obvious you consider then enemies of the state.
While you have never used those words your meaning is very obvious.
Sorry, but this is all so much bullshit.

Tell me, is a President selling Weapons of Mass Destruction to enemy dictators an enemy of the state?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:32 am What benefit would it be to China to go to war with the USA or any other country at this point in time.
The economies of the U.S. and China are so intertwined that war with each other would cause serious, long-term damage to their economies. If China is to go to war it would probably be with a country with a weaker economy and military.
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Number6 wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:46 pm The economies of the U.S. and China are so intertwined that war with each other would cause serious, long-term damage to their economies. If China is to go to war it would probably be with a country with a weaker economy and military.

Which is the exact reason I believe a war will never happen.
However I do believe they would march into Taiwan in a heartbeat if they believe we have a weak and ineffectual leader
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:39 pm Which is the exact reason I believe a war will never happen.
However I do believe they would march into Taiwan in a heartbeat if they believe we have a weak and ineffectual leader
Or one that would make a deal letting them in for letting him start a hotel chain in China.

One that could be bought. One that didn't care about the United States.

One that sent love letters to despots.

One thing, Biden standing up to Russia and bringing NATO together has decreased the chances. Biden has been masterful in handling Putin against the Ukraine. They now know that the USA will stand up to them if they try it.
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