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Drak wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:11 pm I know that Joe stated he can see the point of those who don't want to provide aid to Ukraine. But it'll be interesting to see if he provides you with an answer. Glenn is already buying into the GOP BS about money.

Both of these guys threw a huge fit when the US pulled out of Afghanistan. They both claimed America was abandoning it's allies, especially Joe, who also called for investigations. Neither had a problem with the decades and trillions of dollars placed there.
I’d love to see some investigations into those who want to cut Ukraine funding and what ties they may have to Putin.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:09 pm We’re all lucky Biden is President. We’re lucky that Trump and all the Putin lovers aren’t in charge of our foreign policy. They would have helped Putin invade Ukraine.

And let’s remember that the people YOU voted for want to cut off funding for Ukraine.

Do you support cutting all funding for Ukraine?

Oh, once again another question you’ll run away from
I am supportive of funding for the Ukraine. I have always been supportive of funding for Ukraine. Said as much on this board.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:52 pm I am supportive of funding for the Ukraine. I have always been supportive of funding for Ukraine. Said as much on this board.
So why are you voting for those who don’t?

I mean, these guys are against every damned thing that you say you support. Why do you want them in charge?
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:56 pm So why are you voting for those who don’t?

I mean, these guys are against every damned thing that you say you support. Why do you want them in charge?
GoU. I am a moderate conservative. I am not a liberal progressive. I’m not a single issue voter. Not every conservative agrees on every issue. It may be that way in the Democrat Party. You may all drink the koolaide. You may all be members of the borg. I suspect that most Democrats are not single issue voters like you. They are capable of thinking for themselves and making decisions for themselves.

You claim to know or profess to know how everyone in the Republican Party believes. I highly doubt that. Further you lie and misrepresent my beliefs and my positions all the time. Why would I accept your pronouncements about the beliefs of other conservatives. When you start posting truthfully and honestly, I might take you claims seriously. I haven’t seen that in you in all the years I have known you. You lied from day one and continue to lie today.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:09 pm GoU. I am a moderate conservative. I am not a liberal progressive. I’m not a single issue voter. Not every conservative agrees on every issue. It may be that way in the Democrat Party. You may all drink the koolaide. You may all be members of the borg. I suspect that most Democrats are not single issue voters like you. They are capable of thinking for themselves and making decisions for themselves.

You claim to know or profess to know how everyone in the Republican Party believes. I highly doubt that. Further you lie and misrepresent my beliefs and my positions all the time. Why would I accept your pronouncements about the beliefs of other conservatives. When you start posting truthfully and honestly, I might take you claims seriously. I haven’t seen that in you in all the years I have known you. You lied from day one and continue to lie today.
You aren't a moderate. That's simply not true.

You say you're for certain issues (most of the time you won't take any stance), but every issue you say you're for, the people you vote for are against.

And everyone here has your number. We know you're a liar. You've admitted to lying on this board.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:30 pm You aren't a moderate. That's simply not true.

You say you're for certain issues (most of the time you won't take any stance), but every issue you say you're for, the people you vote for are against.

And everyone here has your number. We know you're a liar. You've admitted to lying on this board.
I consider myself a moderate. What you think is irrelevant. You are wrong more often than you are right.

You profess to be an adult and yet you don’t understand that not everyone agrees on everything. That’s the thinking of a child. It pisses you off when people don’t agree with you. Like Trump you can’t accept that simple truth and you attack those who have a different opinion. You are no more an adult than the former President. I can’t tell which of you is the bigger baby.

I’m happy to defend or discuss positions I have taken on this board. I have no obligation to defend positions you have invented for me or for others. You spend little time explaining or defending your position on anything. You probably don’t understand the “why”, you just follow the talking points. You should devote more time explaining why you believe as you do and less time telling other people what they think. You aren’t nearly that smart or insightful.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:53 pm I consider myself a moderate. What you think is irrelevant. You are wrong more often than you are right.
The GOP isn't a moderate party. It's the most extreme party in United States History. The moderates no longer support this party. They have all left.

And they don't support these nutjobs that run the GOP House.

If you WERE a moderate, you would be standing AGAINST what they are doing. A moderate would support the President in many of his actions, such as his support on the international stage of the Ukrainian people, his deft handling in bringing NATO together against Putin. You would support the CHIPS Act, which protects our industry and our national security. 187 Republicans in Congress voted AGAINST the act.

A moderate wouldn't pretend that Joe Biden hasn't done a lot of important things for our nation, being fought by the right at all times.
You profess to be an adult and yet you don’t understand that not everyone agrees on everything. That’s the thinking of a child. It pisses you off when people don’t agree with you. Like Trump you can’t accept that simple truth and you attack those who have a different opinion. You are no more an adult than the former President. I can’t tell which of you is the bigger baby.
You really need to look in the mirror when you say that.

There isn't ANY simple truth about what the crazy people in the House are doing, but you defend them all the way. That shows you aren't a moderate. A moderate would be shocked and ashamed at what they are doing.
I’m happy to defend or discuss positions I have taken on this board. I have no obligation to defend positions you have invented for me or for others. You spend little time explaining or defending your position on anything. You probably don’t understand the “why”, you just follow the talking points. You should devote more time explaining why you believe as you do and less time telling other people what they think. You aren’t nearly that smart or insightful.
No, you aren't. And I defend my positions all the time. I have stated, for instance, that I have a bright line that I will never cross in voting. You SAY you join me in support women's right to choose, and you SAY you support LGBTQ+ rights. I will NEVER vote for anyone who would vote against these rights.

This shows me you're not concerned about issues at all, just about red vs blue and nothing else. I've shown that it doesn't matter WHAT stands you take, you support the right, no matter what it does.
And you vote for them all the time. They have your full support, no matter WHAT they do.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:12 pm The GOP isn't a moderate party. It's the most extreme party in United States History. The moderates no longer support this party. They have all left.

And they don't support these nutjobs that run the GOP House.

If you WERE a moderate, you would be standing AGAINST what they are doing. A moderate would support the President in many of his actions, such as his support on the international stage of the Ukrainian people, his deft handling in bringing NATO together against Putin. You would support the CHIPS Act, which protects our industry and our national security. 187 Republicans in Congress voted AGAINST the act.

A moderate wouldn't pretend that Joe Biden hasn't done a lot of important things for our nation, being fought by the right at all times.

You really need to look in the mirror when you say that.

There isn't ANY simple truth about what the crazy people in the House are doing, but you defend them all the way. That shows you aren't a moderate. A moderate would be shocked and ashamed at what they are doing.

No, you aren't. And I defend my positions all the time. I have stated, for instance, that I have a bright line that I will never cross in voting. You SAY you join me in support women's right to choose, and you SAY you support LGBTQ+ rights. I will NEVER vote for anyone who would vote against these rights.

This shows me you're not concerned about issues at all, just about red vs blue and nothing else. I've shown that it doesn't matter WHAT stands you take, you support the right, no matter what it does.
And you vote for them all the time. They have your full support, no matter WHAT they do.
I support candidates that lean towards the conservative. I never said any differently. That doesn’t mean I agree with every policy position. I certainly don’t agree with many of the policy positions of liberal progressives. I tend to find middle ground with other moderates. You don’t fit that definition.

And while you rant and rave about how others vote, I highly doubt you would vote for a conservative in a national race. So you talk the talk but you don’t walk the walk. You walk like a hypocrite.

How and why people vote as they do is beyond your ability to understand. Attempting to explain it to you is like teaching calculus to an ass.
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You are not a moderate. You vote for extremists.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:30 pm You aren't a moderate. That's simply not true.

You say you're for certain issues (most of the time you won't take any stance), but every issue you say you're for, the people you vote for are against.

And everyone here has your number. We know you're a liar. You've admitted to lying on this board.
Do you consider yourself to be a moderate?
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:56 pm So why are you voting for those who don’t?

I mean, these guys are against every damned thing that you say you support. Why do you want them in charge?

Over here we are permitted to disagree with Republicans and with conservatives.

While over there it seems you folks have a need to march lock step never disagreeing with the party or another liberal.

The proof of that statement is in the fact that you believe any criticism of President Biden is an endorsement of Trump. Any criticism of a liberal or liberal position is an endorsement of a far right wing representative or position.

You in particular and liberals in general have no objectivity on any issue or any candidate. According to you every democrat who has ran for any office no matter how big or how small the office, has been a better choice since 1932.

I am sure if you lived in Chicago you would vote for Mayor Lightfoot if she were the democratic party nominee. Just as you voted against the Maryland governor who had a 65pct approval rate in a state that is 65pct democratic.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:23 pm Do you consider yourself to be a moderate?
I'm FAR more moderate than you ever were.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:34 pm Over here we are permitted to disagree with Republicans and with conservatives.

While over there it seems you folks have a need to march lock step never disagreeing with the party or another liberal.

The proof of that statement is in the fact that you believe any criticism of President Biden is an endorsement of Trump. Any criticism of a liberal or liberal position is an endorsement of a far right wing representative or position.

You in particular and liberals in general have no objectivity on any issue or any candidate. According to you every democrat who has ran for any office no matter how big or how small the office, has been a better choice since 1932.

I am sure if you lived in Chicago you would vote for Mayor Lightfoot if she were the democratic party nominee. Just as you voted against the Maryland governor who had a 65pct approval rate in a state that is 65pct democratic.
You think that liberals will destroy this nation if given power. That's just crazy fucking talk, especially since we've HAD the Presidency, House and Senate, most recently with Obama. We FIXED your side's fuckups, instead of destroying anything.

YOU voted for Ralph Norman, and bragged about how wonderful he was. You always come here to defend and deflect for Trump. That's simply the truth.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:52 pm I am supportive of funding for the Ukraine. I have always been supportive of funding for Ukraine. Said as much on this board.
I’m sure you voted for Marco Rubio and he supports funding Ukraine. So you’re good.
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:47 am I’m sure you voted for Marco Rubio and he supports funding Ukraine. So you’re good.
Rubio is a fervent supporter of Donald Trump and his support of Putin.
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Bludogdem wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:47 am I’m sure you voted for Marco Rubio and he supports funding Ukraine. So you’re good.
You mean the Marco Rubio who blabbed about Zelensky’s location during a video meeting when they were told to keep quiet for security reasons?
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So if the border is wide open, according to Joe Memphis, then how is this happening?

And no wonder Joe voted for her. She's a complete idiot. LOL.

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Drak wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:24 pm So if the border is wide open, according to Joe Memphis, then how is this happening?

And no wonder Joe voted for her. She's a complete idiot. LOL.

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Drak wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:05 am You mean the Marco Rubio who blabbed about Zelensky’s location during a video meeting when they were told to keep quiet for security reasons?
No we were talking about Swalwell whi was having an affair with a Chinese spy
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:02 pm No we were talking about Swalwell whi was having an affair with a Chinese spy
He was cleared of any wrongdoing. Either charge him with wrongdoing, or give him the spot he has earned.

Unlike MTG and Gosar, who are insurrectionists.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:01 pm Imagine how much is getting through thanks to our open borders

SEIZED. Drugs are being SEIZED. Only a complete dumbass would read that and think it’s bad. These people you vote are morons.


And “Imagine” all you want. I deal in facts. But keep repeating Trump. Trumper.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:56 am https://www.dsausa.org/

Coming from people who claim democratic socialist aren't really socialist.
Just read the first sentence from their website
they're not democrats either....
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So would you guys on the right support a politician who has voiced support for the “Fair Tax”?
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ProfX wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:05 pm The Trouble with the FairTax
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/trouble-fairtax

FairTax advocates counter that their proposal would also replace regressive payroll and excise taxes (as well as highly progressive estate taxes), but the bottom line is that tax burdens on middle-income households would surely rise while high-income families would get a big tax cut.

Some people might call that an UnfairTax.

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So I did the math and a family of 4 making $75,000 a year would likely take a hit. And that would likely apply up into the low $100k. The problem is the sales tax doesn’t have the child tax credit. Make the child tax credit part of the prebate and the issue goes away. With the child tax credit the prebate would cover 23% of $75,000.

Not sure a sales tax would really be a simpler approach. What with prebates, requiring states to collect the taxes. Could be a bit more complicated.

Bigger issue is would a sales tax yield a greater return or a lesser return. And I haven’t seen anything on that.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:42 am So I did the math and a family of 4 making $75,000 a year would likely take a hit. And that would likely apply up into the low $100k. The problem is the sales tax doesn’t have the child tax credit. Make the child tax credit part of the prebate and the issue goes away. With the child tax credit the prebate would cover 23% of $75,000.

Not sure a sales tax would really be a simpler approach. What with prebates, requiring states to collect the taxes. Could be a bit more complicated.

Bigger issue is would a sales tax yield a greater return or a lesser return. And I haven’t seen anything on that.
Actually they have and it would have to be close to 70% for it to be neutral.

So I take it you would support politicians that sponsored such a bill right?
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