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Bludogdem
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:02 am Yes, until they have been sworn in and change those rules.

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Then how did they change the house rules in 1849 and 1856.

“Courts have long held that Congress cannot “bind” future Congresses—that is, it can’t force a future session of Congress to carry on its own policies. That practice, formally known as “legislative entrenchment,” is seen as privileging one group of lawmakers over another, “binding” future to the priorities set in the present. In the 1996 case U.S. v. Winstar Corp., Justice David Souter quoted the British jurist William Blackstone, who said that “the legislature, being in truth the sovereign power, is always of equal, always of absolute authority: it acknowledges no superior upon earth, which the prior legislature must have been, if it’s [sic] ordinances could bind the present parliament.” The principle is more complicated in the United States, where the government is bound by the Constitution and any private contracts into which it enters. But as a general rule, any Congress can reverse the decisions of any past Congress.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rt-of.html

No it it can’t. Under any circumstance.

I recognize that you can’t comprehend complex legal concepts but when there is a history that proves it and Supreme Court authority. Well then you’re just stupid.
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:02 am Then how did they change the house rules in 1849 and 1856.

“Courts have long held that Congress cannot “bind” future Congresses—that is, it can’t force a future session of Congress to carry on its own policies. That practice, formally known as “legislative entrenchment,” is seen as privileging one group of lawmakers over another, “binding” future to the priorities set in the present. In the 1996 case U.S. v. Winstar Corp., Justice David Souter quoted the British jurist William Blackstone, who said that “the legislature, being in truth the sovereign power, is always of equal, always of absolute authority: it acknowledges no superior upon earth, which the prior legislature must have been, if it’s [sic] ordinances could bind the present parliament.” The principle is more complicated in the United States, where the government is bound by the Constitution and any private contracts into which it enters. But as a general rule, any Congress can reverse the decisions of any past Congress.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rt-of.html

No it it can’t. Under any circumstance.

I recognize that you can’t comprehend complex legal concepts but when there is a history that proves it and Supreme Court authority. Well then you’re just stupid.
Keep doubling down. The proof is in the pudding - they couldn't because they didn't. The Secretary would have ruled it out of order. They couldn't because they aren't Congressmen yet. Per the Constitution, you don't hold an office before you've been sworn in.

You ARE A special kind of stupid.
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So if the speaker of the house is 3rd in line for the presidency, what happens if or when he or she becomes president? With this congress whats the chances an even more extreme radical speaker be inserted in the coming months?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:37 pm
Joe, you say you're for investigations.

Well, Joe, the people you voted for aren't for being investigated. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/10/us/p ... nment.html
A divided House voted on Tuesday to launch a wide-ranging investigation into federal law enforcement and national security agencies, as Republicans promised to use their new power in Congress to scrutinize what they said was a concerted effort by the government to silence and punish conservatives at all levels, from protesters at school board meetings to former President Donald J. Trump.

On a party-line vote of 221 to 211 with all Democrats opposed, the House approved the formation of the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government, which is to be chaired by Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio, the incoming chairman of the Judiciary Committee and a staunch ally of Mr. Trump.

Mr. Jordan, who was deeply involved in Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, has for months been investigating what he says is a bias in federal law enforcement against conservatives. Now that Republicans have the majority, he plans to use his gavel and his subpoena power to escalate and expand that inquiry, including searching for evidence that federal workers have become politicized and demanding documents about ongoing criminal investigations.
Tell me again why you voted for them. You don't mind the corruption at all do you?
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:30 am Joe, you say you're for investigations.

Well, Joe, the people you voted for aren't for being investigated. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/10/us/p ... nment.html



Tell me again why you voted for them. You don't mind the corruption at all do you?
Oversight over the executive branch is the responsibility of the legislative branch. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. Are you suggesting that we do away with oversight altogether or are you suggesting that we do away with oversight over Democrat administrations? You are all for such hearing when it’s a Republican administration but strangely oppose oversight when Democrats are in charge? What’s the standard? Do you have one you can articulate? Cause it sounds like you have multiple standards and it varies according to your politics. But then again. It’s always been that way with you hasn’t it?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:10 am Oversight over the executive branch is the responsibility of the legislative branch. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. Are you suggesting that we do away with oversight altogether or are you suggesting that we do away with oversight over Democrat administrations? You are all for such hearing when it’s a Republican administration but strangely oppose oversight when Democrats are in charge? What’s the standard? Do you have one you can articulate? Cause it sounds like you have multiple standards and it varies according to your politics. But then again. It’s always been that way with you hasn’t it?
This isn't oversight. The people that your side put in charge is Jim Jordan, who was involved with Trump in the planning and execution of the attempted coup. He's one of the people being investigated.

Is that what you call reasonable and intelligent oversight?

So what's YOUR standard, Joe? Do you have any?

But this is what YOU voted for, and you are telling us right now that this is what you WANT.
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gounion wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:09 am Keep doubling down. The proof is in the pudding - they couldn't because they didn't. The Secretary would have ruled it out of order. They couldn't because they aren't Congressmen yet. Per the Constitution, you don't hold an office before you've been sworn in.

You ARE A special kind of stupid.
They didn’t because they didn’t have to. In 1849 and 1856 they succumbed to change the rules after hundreds of votes. But they did vote to change house rules. Absent a speaker. So they it’s obvious they have the power.

“ Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings”. This says it all. They can do what they want and the Supreme Court has clearly stated a congress cannot be bound by a previous congress. Congress can change rules whenever they have the votes.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:41 am They didn’t because they didn’t have to. In 1849 and 1856 they succumbed to change the rules after hundreds of votes. But they did vote to change house rules. Absent a speaker. So they it’s obvious they have the power.

“ Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings”. This says it all. They can do what they want and the Supreme Court has clearly stated a congress cannot be bound by a previous congress. Congress can change rules whenever they have the votes.
Again, you have to take the oath before you're a Congressman. That's the bottom line. You've made yourself look like a fool again but you're used to it.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:45 am Again, you have to take the oath before you're a Congressman. That's the bottom line. You've made yourself look like a fool again but you're used to it.
The Sargent at arms can give the oath. A judge can give the oath Anybody can give the oath. Since the Votes in 1849 and 1856 were taken in the absence of a speaker they either voted without an oath or someone else gave it. But the did vote to change the rules. So Congress can do whatever it pleases in how it operates. They can change rules on a whim as long as they have the votes.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:51 am The Sargent at arms can give the oath. A judge can give the oath Anybody can give the oath. Since the Votes in 1849 and 1856 were taken in the absence of a speaker they either voted without an oath or someone else gave it. But the did vote to change the rules. So Congress can do whatever it pleases in how it operates. They can change rules on a whim as long as they have the votes.
They have to take oaths to do anything but vote on Speaker, which isn't actually Congressional business. Anything else would be ruled out of order.

But the FACT IS they didn't do anything, because they couldn't. The fact that they didn't PROVES they couldn't. Only in your warped mind. You say something stupid because you're ignorant, then you keep doubling down. Everyone's laughing at you.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:58 am They have to take oaths to do anything but vote on Speaker, which isn't actually Congressional business. Anything else would be ruled out of order.

But the FACT IS they didn't do anything, because they couldn't. The fact that they didn't PROVES they couldn't. Only in your warped mind. You say something stupid because you're ignorant, then you keep doubling down. Everyone's laughing at you.
Any vote is congressional business. It is recorded as congressional business. And they have the power to rule it in order. They can simply vote to ignore the clerk.

“ Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings” - no constraints here from the constitution.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:02 am Any vote is congressional business. It is recorded as congressional business. And they have the power to rule it in order. They can simply vote to ignore the clerk.

“ Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings” - no constraints here from the constitution.
Only after they are Congressmen. Again, the Constitution. Give it up. You're an idiot.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:14 am This isn't oversight. The people that your side put in charge is Jim Jordan, who was involved with Trump in the planning and execution of the attempted coup. He's one of the people being investigated.

Is that what you call reasonable and intelligent oversight?

So what's YOUR standard, Joe? Do you have any?

But this is what YOU voted for, and you are telling us right now that this is what you WANT.
Generally, I think oversight is a good thing. I understand you would like to pick and choose what gets investigated and who gets to investigate, but that isn’t how the system works. I doubt in your world if there would be any oversight at all when Democrats run the executive. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Oh yeah The House is in order alright MAGA Order. *problem*

McCarthy expected to keep 3 Democrats off House committees

Speaker Kevin McCarthy and leading Republicans are expected to soon make good on a vow to keep three Democrats from seats on influential committees in the new House.

McCarthy's focus is Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar, who has served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, as well as Reps. Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, two California lawmakers who have served on the House Intelligence Committee.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mccarth ... d=96344389
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:09 am Generally, I think oversight is a good thing. I understand you would like to pick and choose what gets investigated and who gets to investigate, but that isn’t how the system works. I doubt in your world if there would be any oversight at all when Democrats run the executive. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
What they are doing isn't oversight. It's never been done before. And I don't think the Supreme Court will agree with it either, when the Justice Department refuses the subpeonas.

No one should be able to "investigate" a case while it's in motion. And certainly not one you're involved in.

But you're NOT for a representative democracy are you? You're for the coup to overthrow our government.

This is NOT "reasonable and intelligent oversight". But you don't care, that's why you vote for these people.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:08 am Only after they are Congressmen. Again, the Constitution. Give it up. You're an idiot.
The constitution doesn’t address anything other than “ Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings”. Doesn’t say “oath or affirmation” stops them from voting on house rules. Which they clearly did in 1849and 1856. Don’t need an oath as each person can provide their own “affirmation”. And as is obvious They voted on official house business without a speaker. The constitution says they can do whatever they want. And they did.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:19 am What they are doing isn't oversight. It's never been done before. And I don't think the Supreme Court will agree with it either, when the Justice Department refuses the subpeonas.

No one should be able to "investigate" a case while it's in motion. And certainly not one you're involved in.

But you're NOT for a representative democracy are you? You're for the coup to overthrow our government.

This is NOT "reasonable and intelligent oversight". But you don't care, that's why you vote for these people.
It’s not representative democracy you are for. You want to control what gets investigated and by who. Sorry to disappoint but that’s not how it works. You would oppose any and all investigations into Dem administration no matter what the facts and circumstances. You are nothing if not predictable.

You just going to have to deal with it. They are playing by the same rules as the last Congress. I don’t recall you whining then.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:30 am It’s not representative democracy you are for. You want to control what gets investigated and by who. Sorry to disappoint but that’s not how it works. You would oppose any and all investigations into Dem administration no matter what the facts and circumstances. You are nothing if not predictable.

You just going to have to deal with it. They are playing by the same rules as the last Congress. I don’t recall you whining then.
Yeah, anything you can do to keep Trump from being indicted and convicted.

Well, we now know you aren't interested in "reasonable and intelligent". You're for whatever corruption your side can do.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:07 am Yeah, anything you can do to keep Trump from being indicted and convicted.

Well, we now know you aren't interested in "reasonable and intelligent". You're for whatever corruption your side can do.
I haven’t opposed a single investigation. You on the other hand oppose any and all investigations that no involve your party. So you are in no position to accuse anyone of covering for corruption.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:56 am I haven’t opposed a single investigation. You on the other hand oppose any and all investigations that no involve your party. So you are in no position to accuse anyone of covering for corruption.
This new Committee isn’t investigative - it’s an Obstruction of Justice Committee.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:21 am This new Committee isn’t investigative - it’s an Obstruction of Justice Committee.
You are welcome to your opinion. The minority party doesn’t get to set the agenda. Sometimes democracy can be a bitch.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:37 pm You are welcome to your opinion. The minority party doesn’t get to set the agenda. Sometimes democracy can be a bitch.
Great point - this is the agenda you voted for, this is the agenda you want.

You ready to abolish the the IRS and income taxes, and go to a so-called "Fair Tax" - a 30% consumption tax where the government sends a monthly check to every American?

After all, this is YOUR agenda.
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:07 am Yeah, anything you can do to keep Trump from being indicted and convicted.

Well, we now know you aren't interested in "reasonable and intelligent". You're for whatever corruption your side can do.

GoU's poker tell, whenever he is losing he yells Trump Trump what about trump
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:27 pm GoU's poker tell, whenever he is losing he yells Trump Trump what about trump
Why do you support the GOP's plan to defund the DOJ???

And for that matter, why do you support their plan to shut down the world's economy by refusing to increase the debt limit?
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gounion wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:44 pm Why do you support the GOP's plan to defund the DOJ???

And for that matter, why do you support their plan to shut down the world's economy by refusing to increase the debt limit?
Link please
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