Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

News and events of the day
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Another one the right will either run away from or will support Trump.

The Constitution firmly says anyone who has committed insurrection against the government cannot hold federal office. It’s clear that’s what Trump did.

He should be removed from all primary ballots.
Glennfs
Posts: 10303
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:54 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Glennfs »

Of course if he is convicted he should be. Not surprised that you are opposed to due process.
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:19 pm Of course if he is convicted he should be. Not surprised that you are opposed to due process.
Bullshit.Trump was impeached twice for serious crimes outlined in the Constitution, beyond a doubt. Your leaders wouldn’t even allow a trial then you cried he was impeached and demanded he be left alone.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:19 pm Of course if he is convicted he should be. Not surprised that you are opposed to due process.
Unless, of course, it’s Joe Biden or Hunter.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:36 pm Unless, of course, it’s Joe Biden or Hunter.
So you only want due process for Joe and Hunter. Figures.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:19 pm Of course if he is convicted he should be. Not surprised that you are opposed to due process.
They aren’t capable of understanding legal principles and requirements. Kangaroo court is their go to.
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:41 pm They aren’t capable of understanding legal principles and requirements. Kangaroo court is their go to.
No, we’re quite capable. There’s an entire bit in the Constitution about sedition and treason and not being able to hold office.

There’s enough evidence right in front of your face that shows Trump attempted to overthrow the government. And that he was assisted by sitting members of congress. Of course, you don’t give a shit because you’re a sedition supporting Trumper who keeps creating new accounts pretending he’s a Dem and thinking he’s clever.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:39 pm So you only want due process for Joe and Hunter. Figures.
What due process for Joe Biden?

Hunter Biden is a private citizen who doesn’t work in government. Idiot.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:39 pm So you only want due process for Joe and Hunter. Figures.
Trump's had plenty of due process. Ask the Supreme Court. The case went all the way up.

And so you want Trump free to run again in 2024, even though he tried to overturn the last election. It's what you guys do, I guess.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:54 pm Trump's had plenty of due process. Ask the Supreme Court. The case went all the way up.

And so you want Trump free to run again in 2024, even though he tried to overturn the last election. It's what you guys do, I guess.
As I said, trump is done. If he were to get the nomination then we get a Democratic Party president.

Absent a conviction for sedition or insurrection he should be free to run. I believe in constitutional protections. Unlike you.
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:13 pm As I said, trump is done. If he were to get the nomination then we get a Democratic Party president.

Absent a conviction for sedition or insurrection he should be free to run. I believe in constitutional protections. Unlike you.
No, Trump is not done. He’s the leader of the GOP and the front runner for the GOP 2024. And no, he shouldn’t. Your party will protect Trump at all costs, as they did when he was rightfully impeached. And congress can rule on whether he’s on the ballot or not. But it’s made up of the same seditionists who refused to hold proper Senate trials. Keep crying.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

Drak wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:19 pm And congress can rule on whether he’s on the ballot or not.
No they can’t.
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:26 pm No they can’t.
Fourteenth Amendment Citizenship, Equal Protection, and Other Rights of Citizens
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:13 pm As I said, trump is done. If he were to get the nomination then we get a Democratic Party president.

Absent a conviction for sedition or insurrection he should be free to run. I believe in constitutional protections. Unlike you.
He should have been impeached, then, as soon as he stepped down, he should have been indicted and arrested.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

Drak wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:29 pm Fourteenth Amendment Citizenship, Equal Protection, and Other Rights of Citizens
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Well, you’ll need a conviction to even get close. And even then nowhere is the office of the President mentioned. There is a great deal discussion concerning the meaning of “officer of the United States” and a lot of it excludes the elected executives. So, no congress doesn’t
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:31 pm He should have been impeached, then, as soon as he stepped down, he should have been indicted and arrested.
He was impeached. Twice. And we’ll see if there is an indictment in the future.
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:38 pm And even then nowhere is the office of the President mentioned.
Read it again. You have NO clue what you're talking about.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:38 pm Well, you’ll need a conviction to even get close. And even then nowhere is the office of the President mentioned. There is a great deal discussion concerning the meaning of “officer of the United States” and a lot of it excludes the elected executives. So, no congress doesn’t
It says: "or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State" which, of course, you say doesn't mean what it says, at least when it comes to Donald Trump, who you say is exempt from anything, right?
User avatar
Drak
Posts: 4493
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:02 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Drak »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:40 pm He was impeached. Twice. And we’ll see if there is an indictment in the future.
And your party refused to hold the proper trials in the Senate. Despite the overwhelming evidence. When you have a host of seditionists aiding and abetting your treason and crimes, accountability becomes quite difficult. But keep defending it.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"

- Rage Against the Machine
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:42 pm It says: "or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State" which, of course, you say doesn't mean what it says, at least when it comes to Donald Trump, who you say is exempt from anything, right?
That amendment doesn’t apply to the office of the president or Vice President
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:44 pm That amendment doesn’t apply to the office of the president or Vice President
Oh? Really? I'm sorry, but it says it applies to everyone.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:47 pm Oh? Really? I'm sorry, but it says it applies to everyone.
No it doesn’t.

It applies to “ who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. ”

Don’t see the President or the Vice President in the mix.
gounion
Posts: 17248
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by gounion »

Bludogdem wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:17 pm No it doesn’t.

It applies to “ who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. ”

Don’t see the President or the Vice President in the mix.
The President and VP are officers of the United States.
User avatar
Libertas
Posts: 6468
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Libertas »

Rightwinger defending trump again?

Did you hear what the vile punk son of the biggest child on earth, trump, said about Zelensky? Called him a welfare queen.

Coming from the biggest coward alive, who has accomplished nothing ever. Trump Sr and Jr.
I sigh in your general direction.
Bludogdem
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:16 pm

Re: Should Trump be removed from the primary ballots?

Post by Bludogdem »

gounion wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:18 pm The President and VP are officers of the United States.
Nope. Elected executives. Members of congress are not officers either. Officers under the United States is a different animal - Military, federal marshal, Supreme Court justice, federal court Justice, etc. The fact that congress and officers under the United States are distinguished from one another in the same sentence tells you congress are not officers.

Elected Official and officer are not the same.
Post Reply