Storming The Capital 2: A Counter Storm is Coming

[gounion]

All of GreenGrass’s histrionics aside, my point is that the people that overthrew the French government in the revolution was a MOB. It was an insurrection. There was little or no chain of command, no ranks, no one on the inside.

Much more so than what happened at the capitol. The people there were led by organizations big and small. The President was involved, as were people like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon. It was no riot that just got out of control, it was led by people that had planned the tactics and had the layout of the Capitol. We came close to losing our Democracy that day. And anyone who pretends it was anything but an insurrection are complicit.

[ZoWie]

The storming of the Bastille, which was done by a disarmed element in the act of arming itself, activated a populace that had reached the critical point for the kind of spontaneous widely inclusive rising that distinguishes a revolution from a riot. The process it set into motion eventually created the Republic of France as it exists today, but not until after something like a century of power grabs, wars, brief restorations of the monarchy, and other unpleasantness.

The storming of the Capitol was not a revolution, except in the minds of its perpetrators. It was a planned act of insurrection by self styled revolutionaries who lived in an Internet capsule within which everyone agreed with them. Their isolation made them confuse the rhetoric of their chosen leader with the real political situation in the country. They were led to action by followers of this leader, with well-documented encouragement from the leader himself.

Analysis of the 1/6 event is complicated by the currently agreed upon fact that no explicit and clearly worded command was given to go kick butt and kill the leadership of the legislative branch. There doesn't have to be. It's plain for anyone who's the least bit detached from the situation to establish intent, using evidence provided by the conduct of the leaders, and their inflammatory rhetoric that was heavy on dog whistles clearly understood by their target groups. It was a "You know what to do, let's go" type of order.

The result was a conscious attempt by a self-aware faction to reverse the results of a free and fair election by stopping a constitutionally mandated procedure. There is evidence of planning, however vague and generally out of touch it may have been, and this evidence establishes awareness of intent from the very top on down.

All this provides plenty of justification for use of the word "coup," whether or not journalists feel comfortable with it. In 50 years, with more detachment from the immediate debate, it will likely be called a failed last-chance coup.

[carmenjonze]

The storming of the Bastille, which was done by a disarmed element in the act of arming itself, activated a populace that had reached the critical point for the kind of spontaneous widely inclusive rising that distinguishes a revolution from a riot. The process it set into motion eventually created the Republic of France as it exists today, but not until after something like a century of power grabs, wars, brief restorations of the monarchy, and other unpleasantness.

The storming of the Capitol was not a revolution, except in the minds of its perpetrators. It was a planned act of insurrection by self styled revolutionaries who lived in an Internet capsule within which everyone agreed with them. Their isolation made them confuse the rhetoric of their chosen leader with the real political situation in the country. They were led to action by followers of this leader, with well-documented encouragement from the leader himself.

Analysis of the 1/6 event is complicated by the currently agreed upon fact that no explicit and clearly worded command was given to go kick butt and kill the leadership of the legislative branch. There doesn't have to be. It's plain for anyone who's the least bit detached from the situation to establish intent, using evidence provided by the conduct of the leaders, and their inflammatory rhetoric that was heavy on dog whistles clearly understood by their target groups. It was a "You know what to do, let's go" type of order.

The result was a conscious attempt by a self-aware faction to reverse the results of a free and fair election by stopping a constitutionally mandated procedure. There is evidence of planning, however vague and generally out of touch it may have been, and this evidence establishes awareness of intent from the very top on down.

All this provides plenty of justification for use of the word "coup," whether or not journalists feel comfortable with it. In 50 years, with more detachment from the immediate debate, it will likely be called a failed last-chance coup.

Junta also works.

[marindem01]

Traitor Supporter Who Electroshocked Washington D.C. Cop On 01-06 Tries To Get His Confession Tossed.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daniel-r ... 9c18bcd368.

Daniel Rodriguez, a pro-Trump extremist who electroshocked Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone on Jan. 6, was in federal court in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday trying to get his videotaped confession to the FBI tossed on the grounds that special agents engaged in “coercive questioning” and that Rodriguez wasn’t properly advised of his rights.

But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson indicated on Tuesday that she’ll likely allow most of Rodriguez’s admission to be used if he goes to trial, finding that only a brief portion of the interview that took place before Rodriguez was advised of his Miranda rights had to be suppressed. She’ll issue a final ruling down the road, after watching the entirety of the more than three-hour interview herself.

Rodriguez, also known as Danny Rodriguez and D.J. Rodriguez, was arrested by the FBI in March, a month after HuffPost named him as the Capitol rioter who electroshocked Fanone when he was seized by the violent mob seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

After the FBI arrested Rodriguez in March, agents told him that he needed to talk to them to combat the story being told by “antifa, BLM, and the Huffington Post.”

[carmenjonze]

Traitor Supporter Who Electroshocked Washington D.C. Cop On 01-06 Tries To Get His Confession Tossed.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daniel-r ... 9c18bcd368.

Daniel Rodriguez, a pro-Trump extremist who electroshocked Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone on Jan. 6, was in federal court in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday trying to get his videotaped confession to the FBI tossed on the grounds that special agents engaged in “coercive questioning” and that Rodriguez wasn’t properly advised of his rights.

But U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson indicated on Tuesday that she’ll likely allow most of Rodriguez’s admission to be used if he goes to trial, finding that only a brief portion of the interview that took place before Rodriguez was advised of his Miranda rights had to be suppressed. She’ll issue a final ruling down the road, after watching the entirety of the more than three-hour interview herself.

Rodriguez, also known as Danny Rodriguez and D.J. Rodriguez, was arrested by the FBI in March, a month after HuffPost named him as the Capitol rioter who electroshocked Fanone when he was seized by the violent mob seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

After the FBI arrested Rodriguez in March, agents told him that he needed to talk to them to combat the story being told by “antifa, BLM, and the Huffington Post.”

I remember this creep because he's from the region I'm from.

I hope they throw the book at this dumb fascist.

[marindem01]

January 6th. Committee Set To Vote On Contempt Charges Against Former DOJ Official Jeffrey Clark.

https://apnews.com/article/steve-bannon ... 6527653553.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection will vote Wednesday to hold a former Justice Department official in contempt, demanding criminal charges against a defiant witness for a second time as lawmakers seek answers about the violent attack.

The committee on Monday scheduled a vote to pursue contempt charges against Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department lawyer who aligned with President Donald Trump as he tried to overturn his election defeat. If approved by the panel, the recommendation of criminal contempt charges would then go to the full House for a vote and then to the Justice Department.

Clark appeared for a deposition Nov. 5 but told lawmakers that he would not answer questions based partly on Trump’s legal efforts to block the committee’s investigation.

[Libertas]

Good news. Get these traitorous killers while we still have the power to.

[Motor City]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeNLHfDGzVk

[Drak]

This is called an attempted coup.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... riot-biden


Trump called aides hours before Capitol riot to discuss how to stop Biden victory

Hours before the deadly attack on the US Capitol this year, Donald Trump made several calls from the White House to top lieutenants at the Willard hotel in Washington and talked about ways to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s election win from taking place on 6 January.

The former president first told the lieutenants his vice-president, Mike Pence, was reluctant to go along with the plan to commandeer his largely ceremonial role at the joint session of Congress in a way that would allow Trump to retain the presidency for a second term.

But as Trump relayed to them the situation with Pence, he pressed his lieutenants about how to stop Biden’s certification from taking place on 6 January, and delay the certification process to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress.

The former president’s remarks came as part of strategy discussions he had from the White House with the lieutenants at the Willard – a team led by Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn and Trump strategist Steve Bannon – about delaying the certification.

Multiple sources, speaking to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity, described Trump’s involvement in the effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election.

Trump’s remarks reveal a direct line from the White House and the command center at the Willard. The conversations also show Trump’s thoughts appear to be in line with the motivations of the pro-Trump mob that carried out the Capitol attack and halted Biden’s certification, until it was later ratified by Congress.

When you lose a free and fair election, it’s over. There’s no legit strategy to remain in office. Strategizing and attempting to do so is called a coup.

[ZoWie]

I would call 1/6 an attempted coup. In fact, I did, and still do.

An unsuccessful coup aimed at overthrowing legitimate process is still a coup d'etat. It's just a failed coup d'etat as opposed to a successful one. Intent is what matters. The term is commonly used for a lot less than the Willard war room conspiracy that culminated on 1/6. It's fair and justifiable to call it that.

[marindem01]

The Dearborn Office of Congresswoman Debbie Dingle (D-Michigan) Was Broken Into and Vandalized.

https://www.rawstory.com/congresswoman- ... f-threats/

Dingell said in a statement that the door, windows and memorabilia were broken of her late husband, former U.S. Rep. John Dingell (D-Dearborn).

John Dingell died in February 2019. He was the longest-serving member of Congress until he stepped down in 2015. At a Battle Creek rally in December 2019, former President Donald Trump suggested Dingell — who had been a vocal Trump critic — was in hell.

[marindem01]

The Traitor's Former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows Is Cooperating With The 01-06 House Committee.

https://apnews.com/article/steve-bannon ... 7197bf6b62

WASHINGTON (AP) — Mark Meadows, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, is cooperating with a House panel investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection and providing some documents, putting off for now the panel’s threat to hold him in contempt, the committee’s chairman said Tuesday.

But the panel “will continue to assess his degree of compliance,” Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson said in a statement.

The agreement comes after two months of negotiations between Meadows and the committee and after the Justice Department indicted longtime Trump ally Steve Bannon for defying a subpoena.

Thompson said Meadows has produced records and will soon appear for an initial deposition.

[Libertas]

Here is why America is irreparably broken:


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politic ... xas-house/

North Texas man charged with assaulting cops during Capitol insurrection is running for Texas House
Mark Middleton and his wife Jalise, of Forestburg, were captured on video and in photographs participating in the riot, the FBI says in a federal criminal complaint.

Cons support this, all of them.

Oh, and watch this


https://youtu.be/jhtaCIxr_-w

[sam lefthand]

Here is why America is irreparably broken:

There isn't anything irreparably broken about that. The guy hasn't been convicted, and since the Republican party accepted his application to run in the primary apparently the fact that he had been charged, but has not been convicted leaves him free to run. Lots of places are like that, most places I would think.

Win or lose a Texas house seat is hardly grist for major concern. And I doubt he'd win the primary anyway cause the guy is a nutter.



There is a ray of hope in that the The Dallas Morning News published that account. It was clear in that article that they do not support this whack job geezer at all. A liberal editorial lean was apparent in the text.

The Dallas Morning News historically has been conservative in it's editorial tilt, up until Trump that is.

Trump pushed them away, since Trump they've shifted over to our side. They endorsed Clinton, and two years later they enforced Beto O'Rourke.

Based on this article that editorial trend continues to this day.



So Libertas sometimes in amoung bad new some other thing shows improvement.

[gounion]

There isn't anything irreparably broken about that. The guy hasn't been convicted, and since the Republican party accepted his application to run in the primary apparently the fact that he had been charged, but has not been convicted leaves him free to run. Lots of places are like that, most places I would think.

Win or lose a Texas house seat is hardly grist for major concern. And I doubt he'd win the primary anyway cause the guy is a nutter.



There is a ray of hope in that the The Dallas Morning News published that account. It was clear in that article that they do not support this whack job geezer at all. A liberal editorial lean was apparent in the text.

The Dallas Morning News historically has been conservative in it's editorial tilt, up until Trump that is.

Trump pushed them away, since Trump they've shifted over to our side. They endorsed Clinton, and two years later they enforced Beto O'Rourke.

Based on this article that editorial trend continues to this day.



So Libertas sometimes in amoung bad new some other thing shows improvement.

You want the list of GOP "nutters" that are already in office?

[carmenjonze]

Trump pushed them away, since Trump they've shifted over to our side.

Nobody but you and the dying breed of MLK moderates needs more dirty conservatives stinking up the joint.

[carmenjonze]

Here is why America is irreparably broken:


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politic ... xas-house/




Cons support this, all of them.

Including the ones around here like Sam Lefthand, who is delusional enough to rationalize this conservative criminal running for office.

Let a Black liberal pastor run for office, though, and watch the gloves come off. :problem:

[sam lefthand]

You want the list of GOP "nutters" that are already in office?

Naw, despite your enthusiasm since the term "nutters" is subjective any list you might compile would not ever be complete, nor would it be normalized against the non "nutter" population, so that laborious itemization of elected "nutters" wouldn't further our quest to expand human knowledge one iota.



For all the good it would do you might as well whistle past a graveyard with your fingers held in your mouth creating loud supersonic shrieks.

[gounion]

Naw, despite your enthusiasm since the term "nutters" is subjective any list you might compile would not ever be complete, nor would it be normalized against the non "nutter" population, so that laborious itemization of elected "nutters" wouldn't further our quest to expand human knowledge one iota.



For all the good it would do you might as well whistle past a graveyard with your fingers held in your mouth creating loud supersonic shrieks.

You're the one to use the word. Now you don't want to?

[gounion]

For all the good it would do you might as well whistle past a graveyard with your fingers held in your mouth creating loud supersonic shrieks.

You google "supersonic whistle" and all you get is this:



You might be an expert on dog whistles. At least, the political kind.

[sam lefthand]

You're the one to use the word. Now you don't want to?

I didn't say I didn't want to use the word, I said the term is subjective. The taste of whiskey is subjective, however in saying that doesn't mean I don't want a taste of whiskey now and then.



But I still don't want a list of nutter elected politicians. It would take a lot of your time to compile, and insofar as for me making use of it, it would just sit there. It would waste your time.

We don't want to do that now do we.

[gounion]

I didn't say I didn't want to use the word, I said the term is subjective. The taste of whiskey is subjective, however in saying that doesn't mean I don't want a taste of whiskey now and then.



But I still don't want a list of nutter elected politicians. It would take a lot of your time to compile, and insofar as for me making use of it, it would just sit there. It would waste your time.

We don't want to do that now do we.

And ignorance of the reality of crazy people in office is what helps the right the most.

The point is, there are GOP politicians ALREADY IN OFFICE that are just as crazy as this guy. Lib's point stands.

[sam lefthand]

And ignorance of the reality of crazy people in office is what helps the right the most.

The point is, there are GOP politicians ALREADY IN OFFICE that are just as crazy as this guy. Lib's point stands.

Lib said "America is irreparably broken."



Maybe you should put yourself and perhaps Lib onto a not elected to office "nutter" list.

Is the sky falling too?

[gounion]

Lib said "America is irreparably broken."



Maybe you should put yourself and perhaps Lib onto a not elected to office "nutter" list.

Is the sky falling too?

This nation is still in extreme danger of losing our democracy.

This isn't over. It's getting worse, not better.

[carmenjonze]

And ignorance of the reality of crazy people in office is what helps the right the most.

Ignorance, denialism, and militant apathy...his M.O.