San Francisco issues monkeypox state of emergency

[carmenjonze]

So you were trolling me with those greetings. I hadn't realized that.

Wow, hmm, all of a sudden you stopped imitating what I just said, like a braindead mynah bird.

Congratulations, troll.

[Glennfs]

Wow, hmm, all of a sudden you stopped imitating what I just said, like a braindead mynah bird.

Congratulations, troll.

https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/

This is you and most other liberals here.

[ProfX]

99pct of cases are currently in the gay community.

Hey, homes, have you read about the cases in Africa, where it first appeared?

Just curious. The reason I say that is there are plenty of cases in women and children in African countries.

Some of the women got it from sexual partners; some did not. The children ... well, yes, we do know children are sexually assaulted, but no, that's not how they got their cases.

A lot of people called HIV "the gay plague" because the earliest cases showed up in gay men but it was never and only affecting them.

WHO's webpage goes into this in great detail - by the way.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions ... /monkeypox

Check their answers on spread, vulnerability, how it's transmitted, etc. Yes, they do recommend gay men reduce their sexual partners. No, they have never said it is only a gay male disease. BTW, neither CDC nor WHO has said it is a bad idea to go to an event where there are large numbers of gay people, as long as you're not hugging or having sex with the ones displaying sores.

[carmenjonze]

https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/

This is you and most other liberals here.

You already posted that. Move along. viewtopic.php?p=32096#p32096

[carmenjonze]

From the White Nationalist corner:

Tucker Carlson poll to rename monkeypox lands on “schlong covid” as winner - MSN/Salon

No wonder Glennfs keeps peddling monkeypox as a gay disease.

[ProfX]

For F's sake.

https://fenwayhealth.org/wp-content/upl ... Sheet2.pdf

Is monkeypox a gay disease?

No. Monkeypox appears to be spreading now among some sexual and social networks of gay and bisexual men and other men who have sex with men (MSM). However, there is no such thing as a gay disease. Viruses and bacteria can and do infect anyone regardless of sexual orientation. It is also not a sexually transmitted infection. Instead, it is spread through close contact, as previously described. Anyone can get monkeypox, including heterosexual people, women, transgender and nonbinary people, and others.

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Smallpox, which is a close relative of the monkeypox (also chicken pox), does not affect gay men only.

As Lib noted earlier, monkeypox, smallpox, and chicken pox are all orthopoxviruses and closely related to each other. Are you going to claim smallpox and chicken pox only affect gay men?

[carmenjonze]

WHO's webpage goes into this in great detail - by the way.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions ... /monkeypox

Check their answers on spread, vulnerability, how it's transmitted, etc.

And also who self-reports, seeks treatment, and are open to treatment like vaccines.

The average disease-spreading colonizer is unlikely to fit this bill.

[Number6]

https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/

This is you and most other liberals here.

Oh, the irony of this post. You accuse other of ad-hominen fallacy when you posted, about 26 minutes ago, "Hi asshat" in response to carmen.

[carmenjonze]

Oh, the irony of this post. You accuse other of ad-hominen fallacy when you posted, about 26 minutes ago, "Hi asshat" in response to carmen.

All he has to call me are euphemisms. The actual words would get him banned, again.

[ProfX]

BTW, I should add that there have been at least 70 fatal cases in Africa, too, so the disease is not always nonfatal. (That said, yes, I believe all the fatalities were in fairly elderly, immunocompromised, or other high-risk patients.)

Also, one more thing CDC notes is, unlike COVID, this one could be more dangerous for children who get infected than adults. Particularly in children under 8.

Also, I have one more correction: smallpox and monkeypox are both orthopoxvirus. Chicken pox is not, it's varicella. This is important, as vaccination against chicken pox will not protect you against monkeypox.

[Number6]

Hey, homes, have you read about the cases in Africa, where it first appeared?

Just curious. The reason I say that is there are plenty of cases in women and children in African countries.

Some of the women got it from sexual partners; some did not. The children ... well, yes, we do know children are sexually assaulted, but no, that's not how they got their cases.

A lot of people called HIV "the gay plague" because the earliest cases showed up in gay men but it was never and only affecting them.

WHO's webpage goes into this in great detail - by the way.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions ... /monkeypox

Check their answers on spread, vulnerability, how it's transmitted, etc. Yes, they do recommend gay men reduce their sexual partners. No, they have never said it is only a gay male disease. BTW, neither CDC nor WHO has said it is a bad idea to go to an event where there are large numbers of gay people, as long as you're not hugging or having sex with the ones displaying sores.

From your link:

The risk of monkeypox is not limited to people who are sexually active or men who have sex with men. Anyone who has close contact with someone who has symptoms is at risk.

Many of the cases that have been reported in this outbreak have been identified among men who have sex with men. Given that the virus is currently moving from person to person in these social networks, men who have sex with men may currently be at higher risk of being exposed if they have close contact with someone who is infectious.

Some cases of monkeypox have been identified at sexual health clinics. One reason we are currently hearing more reports of cases of monkeypox in communities of men who have sex with men may be because of positive health seeking behaviour in this population group. Monkeypox rashes can resemble some sexually transmitted diseases, including herpes and syphilis, which may partly explain why these cases are being picked up at sexual health clinics. As we learn more, we may identify more cases in the broader community.

Engaging communities of gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men to raise awareness is essential to protect those most at risk. If you are a man who has sex with men, know your risk and take steps to protect yourself and others. Anyone who has symptoms that could be monkeypox should seek advice from a health care provider immediately to get tested and access care.

[carmenjonze]

He discovered the origin of the monkeypox outbreak — and tried to warn the world - NPR

Five years ago, Dr. Dimie Ogoina saw perhaps the most important patient of his career – a patient whose infection would eventually be linked to the largest monkeypox outbreak in history.

On Sept. 22, 2017, an 11-year-old boy came to Ogoina's clinic with a strange rash on his skin and sores inside his mouth. "He had very large lesions affecting his face and all over his body," says Ogoina, an infectious disease specialist at the Niger Delta University in Nigeria.

The rash looked a bit like chickenpox. "But the boy already had chickenpox," says Ogoina. So he knew that wasn't the problem.

Given the size of the lesions and their location, Ogoina wondered if perhaps the boy had what was then an extremely rare disease: monkeypox. "The suspicion of monkeypox just came up," he says.

At the time, Nigeria didn't have the ability to test for the disease. "So we had to send our samples to Senegal and even to the U.S. to make a diagnosis," he says. "We had to wait."

The virus seemed to be spreading further and faster than expected. And it wasn't infecting kids but rather men in their 20s and 30s. "Young, active men were getting monkeypox," Ogoina says. "It was very unusual at that time."

These men also didn't fit the typical profile for monkeypox patients. They weren't hunting or handling animals but instead were middle-class men, living in busy, modern cities. Ogoina wondered: "Why isn't it affecting children? Or females? Or the elderly? Why are we seeing only young men, ages 20 to 40?" (In fact, Ogoina and his colleague eventually figured out that the young boy didn't even catch the virus from an animal but rather from a male relative in his household.)

And the rashes that affected these patients weren't in the typical places where monkeypox struck. Instead of being on their face and extremities, the blisteres occurred around their genitals. "They had very extensive genital lesions. Very, very extensive," Ogoina says.

Ogoina and his colleagues started to investigate these patients further. "We decided to do a sexual history assessment of some of the cases," he says. That assessment found that many of the patients had high-risk sexual behaviors, including multiple partners and sex with prostitutes.

So there was a huge realization: The virus had changed. For the first time, it was spreading through sexual contact. Ogoina and his colleagues even mentioned the idea in study published in 2019: "Although the role of sexual transmission of human monkeypox is not established, sexual transmission is plausible in some of these patients through close, skin-to-skin contact during sexual intercourse or by transmission via genital secretions," Ogoina and his colleagues wrote in the journal PLOS One.

More in link.

[Drak]

So the DeSantis supporting troll/bigot is now claiming monkey pox is a gay disease.

[carmenjonze]

So the DeSantis supporting troll/bigot is now claiming monkey pox is a gay disease.

In 40 years, this person has read nothing, has learned nothing, knows nothing, and probably still thinks HIV/AIDS is the gay cancer. :problem:

[carmenjonze]

The smallpox vaccine stockpile isn’t the monkeypox solution we need — yet - Vox

Public health leaders are weighing significant trade-offs to ACAM2000, including the vaccine’s side effects.

As anxiety about the virus mounts, Americans are increasingly frustrated that they don’t yet have widespread access to a vaccine called Jynneos that’s been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for preventing monkeypox transmission and disease. And some are asking why public health authorities aren’t also offering them a different vaccine it has in greater supply, one created to prevent smallpox but that also has a protective effect against monkeypox: ACAM2000.

It’s not that simple, though. Public health leaders are weighing significant trade-offs: While using the US’s stockpiles of smallpox vaccines might seem like an easy fix to this scary situation, the decision is much thornier than it appears. ACAM2000’s potentially concerning side effects, the complex way it has to be administered, and limits on who can safely receive the vaccine seriously complicate the risk-benefit calculation around using it.

Health officials aren’t likely to make ACAM2000 widely available unless something big about the monkeypox outbreak changes. Here’s why.


ACAM2000’s pro and cons

ACAM2000’s best feature right now is its availability: 100 million-odd doses of the vaccine are currently sitting on the shelves at the US Strategic National Stockpile, largely untouched.

But it comes with a long list of contingencies, among them its unwieldy administration. Although vaccinators give most routine immunizations using a simple in-and-out injection technique, ACAM2000 is inoculated into the skin with a two-pronged needle through a series of tiny jabs at the skin — enough to draw a droplet of blood. “You have to train people how to do it,” said Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist at Emory University in Atlanta. “It is not a simple procedure.”

Also, immunizers can’t just assume ACAM2000 has worked in a person who’s received it: They need to check for proof — and that proof comes in the form of a single, kind of gnarly pustule that shows up at the inoculation site about a week after getting immunized. In a small percentage of people, the vaccine doesn’t “take” on the first try, and they require another shot.

There are also major limitations on who can safely receive ACAM2000. The vaccine contains live, weakened vaccinia virus — a relative of smallpox and monkeypox that’s not harmful to healthy people but can cause serious illness in people who are severely immunocompromised (including people with advanced or untreated HIV), pregnant people, people with eczema, and infants. That means people in these categories should not receive ACAM2000.

Furthermore, because people who get ACAM2000 shed live vaccinia virus from their inoculation-site pustule until it crusts over (usually about two weeks after vaccination), they have to keep the site carefully covered to avoid infecting someone in one of these risk groups. That means vaccinators should ask recipients about their high-risk close contacts, including pregnant people and those living with eczema or in immunocompromised states, said Amesh Adalja, a health security and emerging infectious diseases expert at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Delivering ACAM2000 vaccines is not impossible, Adalja added: “The military does it all the time,” he said. “It’s just cumbersome, and it requires medical attention. It can’t just be done in an assembly-line manner.”

[carmenjonze]

We have a shortage in this country, but the whole contintent has none.

Africa, Continent with Monkeypox Deaths, Has No Vaccine - VOA

The World Health Organization (WHO) recently declared monkeypox a “public health emergency of international concern.”

The health organization said, “there are now more than 16 thousand reported cases from 75 countries and territories and five deaths.” The five documented deaths are in Africa, the one continent without a single shot of vaccine against monkeypox. The numbers center on cases of the outbreak since May.

Ahmed Ogwell is the acting head of the Africa Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or Africa CDC. Since the start of 2022, he said, more than 2,100 cases of the disease have been reported in Africa, resulting in 75 deaths.

Ogwell noted that the African continent of 1.3 billion people is again being left behind in access to vaccines as it was during the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. He said, “let us get vaccines onto the continent.”

Monkeypox has been reported in parts of Africa for many years. But the virus did not spread widely outside the continent. Last May, health organizations began reporting cases of monkeypox in the U.S., Europe and many other countries. That started a rush to get vaccines for the disease

[Libertas]

This thread replicates the real world...

1. Serious disease becomes an issue

2. Serious medical professionals study it, get a vax, tell people what not to do and what to do

3. Non serious, rightwing bigot assholes ignore the science and immediately call it a Gay disease since they personally dont have it, yet

4. This kind of ignorant misinformation exponentially repeats itself until even more people get the disease who otherwise would not have

[carmenjonze]

This thread replicates the real world...

3. Non serious, rightwing bigot assholes ignore the science and immediately call it a Gay disease since they personally dont have it, yet

I do not wish this on them, and hope none of them get it.

But when they do, after running around scapegoating gays for it, they’re gonna have some explaining to do…

[ProfX]

And when kids start getting it, and they will,

Monkeypox is Spreading Fast. Now Kids Are Getting It, Too
The virus could become hard to contain in schools, childcare settings.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... keypox-too

We'll hear about how liberals don't care about the children, too.

Sigh.

[carmenjonze]

And when kids start getting it, and they will,

Monkeypox is Spreading Fast. Now Kids Are Getting It, Too
The virus could become hard to contain in schools, childcare settings.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... keypox-too

We'll hear about how liberals don't care about the children, too.

Sigh.

And how the homos have groomed the children into monkeypox.

[Glennfs]

This thread replicates the real world...

1. Serious disease becomes an issue

2. Serious medical professionals study it, get a vax, tell people what not to do and what to do

3. Non serious, rightwing bigot assholes ignore the science and immediately call it a Gay disease since they personally dont have it, yet

4. This kind of ignorant misinformation exponentially repeats itself until even more people get the disease who otherwise would not have

Nobody here is calling it a gay disease. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. Both here and on San Francisco.
San Francisco declared an emergency then is going to hold a super event.
People here are ignoring science because this time it doesn't fit their political template.

[ProfX]

Did South Dakota ban the Sturgis motorcycle-palooza when COVID was at its height, and many folks in public health were recommending it?

Remember, the city of San Francisco isn't hosting anything. They aren't "putting on" anything. This is a privately hosted, privately sponsored event you are asking the city to ban. Doesn't that go against "liberty"?

If the city tells everybody there to avoid close physical contact, and not have sex with anonymous strangers especially with sores and rashes on their skin, I think that fulfills their mission of public health, and is absolutely what "science" says.

Here's WHO's recommendations:
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/26 ... action-too

Genuinely work together with at-risk groups and communities and their leaders – including organizers of community events such as summertime Pride festivities – to develop and disseminate crucial messages aimed at curtailing transmission and encouraging uptake of health services.

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Not "don't hold events".

It looks like a lot of cases in Europe came from raves and were spread by "MSM". But people of all genders and orientations attend raves. Is it time to start banning those also? Or maybe make sure attendees, once again, know how to minimize their risks?

I think the latter approach is both sound medical and social science.

[carmenjonze]

Nobody here is calling it a gay disease.

You fully buy into stigmatizing monkeypox as a gay disease, and came into this thread doing so.

You're still doing so.

You're soaking in it.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. Both here and on San Francisco.
San Francisco declared an emergency then is going to hold a super event.

I know you hayseeds have been told that the entire city is the pride parade every single day, but Dore Alley is not a city event.

People here are ignoring science because this time it doesn't fit their political template.

It's funny to hear a white conservative complaining about how San Francisco handles communicable disease. You would have loved it here in the 1800s-1900s because some of the most vicious white-conservative scapegoating of immigrants in this country using the pretext of disease were forged right here in this city.

Like then, you imposing your anti-LGBTQ scapegoating agenda onto communicable diseases, today, has nothing to do with "science," and never did.

You guys scapegoated Chinese immigrants for smallpox and malaria; behavior your own party brought back in the current pandemic with cutesy names like Kung Flu.

You guys scapegoated Filipinos for leprosy.

Not only that, you guys crafted this hatred into public policy, like the Exclusion Acts and Alien Land Laws.

You guys did it with AIDS in the 1980s, calling it gay cancer, and also trotting out anti-African/anti-Black savage stereotypes. Sit tight: they're already in operation with monkeypox right now starting with the name. We're all monkeys, to you guys.

All of this has the effect of manufacturing severe and pointless health and healthcare disparities just so you guys can feel better about yourselves. :problem:

Re: some vague "political template," this is the second time you've made this kind of remark.

Please elaborate on what "political template" you're referring to, including what you know about Dore Alley, and how you know it.

[carmenjonze]

More on how white conservatives exploited immigrants while at the same time scapegoating them for disease and immorality.

Conservatives like Glennfs are using this same template on sexual minorities to this very hour.

Early Chinese Americans were blamed for diseases and denied health care. So they built their own hospital - CNN

Chinese immigrants began making their way to American shores in the mid-1800s, among thousands of people hoping to improve their economic fortunes during the California Gold Rush.

Eventually, they would come to be exploited for cheap labor, working in industries such as farming, restaurants, laundry and most notably, railroad construction. And when an economic panic swept the US in the 1870s, White citizens scapegoated Chinese immigrants for taking away jobs.

Anti-Chinese sentiment continued to rise throughout the late 1800s, laying the groundwork for discriminatory policies such as the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and resulting in White mobs violently driving out Chinese communities across the West.

Kaur leaves this out, but conservative whites also got their asses kicked in their effort to retain slavery. Post-1865, hey were all too willing to exploit and abuse Asian laborers as an alternative way of makin munny.

At the same time, the US was battling disease outbreaks including the Bubonic Plague and small pox, said Laureen Hom, an assistant professor of political science at California State Polytechnic University who wrote a case study on Chinese Hospital when she was a public health researcher in 2013.

Chinese immigrants in San Francisco were forced to live in poorer, overcrowded neighborhoods under unsanitary conditions, where such diseases were more prevalent, Hom said. On top of that, the prevailing scientific theory at the time held that diseases were caused by breathing "bad air."

The result: Chinese communities were blamed as sources of the disease.

"They were neglected by mainstream institutions and that fed into how they were blamed for these diseases," Hom said.


Chinese people faced barriers to health care

Instead of working to improve the poor conditions of Chinatown, officials in San Francisco subject the neighborhood and its residents to countless inspections and responded with punitive measures against Chinese immigrants, Hom said.

Public health laws allowed police to harass Chinese immigrants for living in crowded conditions and shut down Chinese businesses because they were deemed as sources of illnesses, according to Hom.

Restrictive quarantines prevented Chinese people from leaving Chinatown while White people could pass through without issue, wrote Grace Chen, in an October 2020 article published in the Yale Undergraduate Research Journal.

More in link.

[ProfX]

Yeah, and in a more contemporary example, the other group scapegoated for "bringing" HIV to the U.S. besides gay men in the 80s were Haitians, and that had a lot to do with anti-Haitian immigrant/refugee attitudes. Paul Farmer has written a lot of books about this.

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520248 ... accusation