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ProfX wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:23 pm I stand by this prediction. Climate is getting worse and worse and is creating more problems, and we are leaving a far worse world for our children and grandchildren to live in, something we should be embarrassed by. I'm not a doomer. The world will survive, probably even the human race, but with a worse quality of life. Something not to cheer over.

I have one more: I don't know when fossil fuels run out, but they are finite, and we will run out of them eventually. Some who are into the geology here say we're already running out of the cheap and easy stuff to obtain, so we're already on a downward curve.

Finally, I enjoy listening to Greta, but I also would listen to climate scientists, more than a neoliberal economic policy think tank who is cherry picking various articles going back to the 60s and 70s. Yeah, some people back then thought we were headed for an ice age. Paul Ehrlich said a "Population Bomb" was about to go off. They were wrong. We've learned a lot more since then, including that the oil companies might have known about all this even before the climate scientists.
Luke is educated beyond what most cons on this board could even imagine being, including economics.

Board con knows less about economics than climate change and it (I still am not sure it is an actual human, might be a russian bot) knows nothing about climate change.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:53 pm I let this stupid comment about teenagers with learning disabilities go by the first time because, considering the source, it seemed typical.

It's actually something of a slur though.

1. Asperger's is not a learning disorder. It's a mild ASD. And what if she did have one? It's simply not relevant.

2. Thunberg is not a teenager. She was when she started, but then so are most athletes, and we make heroes out of them. So what?

3. The idea that "liberals" all think the same thing is ludicrous. They're the most diverse bunch going. You can barely get them to agree on anything. This might be a better country if you could, but then they might just turn into Republicans, who seem to love forced consensus.

4. After the last four years in Southern California, I think we have a "yes" on the climate question. We're seeing a very typical case of what happens when more energy, in this case greenhouse warming, is put into a probabilistic system. Extremes become normal. The consequences are seldom pleasant.

5. Indeed there is evidence that the oil companies had done their own research, found the greenhouse effect to be real, and suppressed the results.

I hate slurs.
Agreed. And let us not forget that there is an extreme tendency in humans to ignore black swans or fat tails in distribution. These things happen and we are stunned when they do because the majority of people take not just comfort but a willful ignorance in standard deviations and bell shaped curves and so on. The problem with the question goes to the difference between complicated and complex. Complex systems are resistant to finite definition. Thus percentages are used and trends analyzed. Precisely because such systems are complex when an anomaly occurs that is not what is predicted fearful naysayers will pipe up that the entire analysis must be flawed or worse, created for some devious reason.

No, weather patterns which are climate writ locally and on the “micro” level have shifted. This is real. The predictions for winter this year in NE Ohio were that we were in for a rough winter. It flat out did not happen. The winter with the exception of one time has been relatively mild. Flowers were coming out of the ground in mid-February. The crocuses were gone before March.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:53 pm I let this stupid comment about teenagers with learning disabilities go by the first time because, considering the source, it seemed typical.

It's actually something of a slur though.

1. Asperger's is not a learning disorder. It's a mild ASD. And what if she did have one? It's simply not relevant.

2. Thunberg is not a teenager. She was when she started, but then so are most athletes, and we make heroes out of them. So what?

3. The idea that "liberals" all think the same thing is ludicrous. They're the most diverse bunch going. You can barely get them to agree on anything. This might be a better country if you could, but then they might just turn into Republicans, who seem to love forced consensus.

4. After the last four years in Southern California, I think we have a "yes" on the climate question. We're seeing a very typical case of what happens when more energy, in this case greenhouse warming, is put into a probabilistic system. Extremes become normal. The consequences are seldom pleasant.

5. Indeed there is evidence that the oil companies had done their own research, found the greenhouse effect to be real, and suppressed the results.

I hate slurs.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:53 pm Glenn learned his slurs from Donald Trump.
No I learned them from liberals on this board
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:06 pm No I learned them from liberals on this board
That's a lie. You use every one of Trump's slurs, such as 'Pocahontas' and of course, you picked up his attacks on Biden as having dementia.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:11 pm That's a lie. You use every one of Trump's slurs, such as 'Pocahontas' and of course, you picked up his attacks on Biden as having dementia.
I heard pocahontas before Trump ever said it and Biden is obviously in some stage of mental decline.
Amazing how people get upset about the truth. She does have a learning disability. But are fine with a person saying my mom fucked her dad, uncle, brother and cousin
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:29 pm Glenn doesn't understand that our science and technology has advanced light years in the last few decades. Glenn complains that doctors used to say Thalidomide was fine, but it wasn't. Yes, that's true. But again, medical science if far ahead of what it was then. I mean, we have the genome decoded. And computer modeling is something they didn't even have in the seventies.

It's all an excuse so that Glenn can ignore what he doesn't want to hear.
I understand that you would have your wife first inline for Thalidomide if you were alive in that era. With the exact same argument. This isn't 1920 anymore. Science has progressed way beyond those days.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:36 pm I understand that you would have your wife first inline for Thalidomide if you were alive in that era. With the exact same argument. This isn't 1920 anymore. Science has progressed way beyond those days.
No I would not.

But I trust our scientists and doctors. Far better than truck drivers who don’t know shit.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:31 pm I heard pocahontas before Trump ever said it and Biden is obviously in some stage of mental decline.
Amazing how people get upset about the truth. She does have a learning disability. But are fine with a person saying my mom fucked her dad, uncle, brother and cousin
Being on the spectrum, old term, my apologies, is NOT a learning disability.

You have zero proof that Biden is in mental decline.

Actually educate yourself for once.
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Glenn, Trump STARTED 'Pocahontas". That's just the truth. And I remember when YOU started using it - it was AFTER Trump started it.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:08 pm Glenn, Trump STARTED 'Pocahontas". That's just the truth. And I remember when YOU started using it - it was AFTER Trump started it.
He parrots that word, TDS, witch hunt, Biden Crime Family, etc., as well. All he does is repeat Trumpisms.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:45 pm No I would not.

But I trust our scientists and doctors. Far better than truck drivers who don’t know shit.

So you trust science today but if you were an adult in the 50s you wouldn't trust science
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bird wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:06 pm Being on the spectrum, old term, my apologies, is NOT a learning disability.

You have zero proof that Biden is in mental decline.

Actually educate yourself for once.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Heart.html

This article and video alone is proof enough for anyone being objective.
He is talking about relatives which were long dead before he became VP.

Watch it and educate yourself
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:33 pm So you trust science today but if you were an adult in the 50s you wouldn't trust science
Do you realize that science has came a long way since 1950?

Now let's be clear: Nothing is perfect. My mother contracted a lung disease in the early 70's called Sarcoidosis. They wanted to remove one of her lungs. She said no.She would have died if she had listened to that doctor. She got better, and then the disease recurred, and she finally died of it in the 1990's.

So I understand.

But I also know that medicine has came very far since then, and there are so many treatments to diseases and conditions today. There are problems, much of it coming from the for-profit side. I mean, the opioid merchants knew that opioids are dangerous, but they wanted to sell as many as they could.

For those with end-of-life pain, they are a wonderful thing. But they have enslaved and killed many too. The people that runs these companies should be in prison.

But if I get sick, I'm talking to my doctor. Not to a truck driver.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:45 pm Do you realize that science has came a long way since 1950?

Now let's be clear: Nothing is perfect. My mother contracted a lung disease in the early 70's called Sarcoidosis. They wanted to remove one of her lungs. She said no.She would have died if she had listened to that doctor. She got better, and then the disease recurred, and she finally died of it in the 1990's.

So I understand.

But I also know that medicine has came very far since then, and there are so many treatments to diseases and conditions today. There are problems, much of it coming from the for-profit side. I mean, the opioid merchants knew that opioids are dangerous, but they wanted to sell as many as they could.

For those with end-of-life pain, they are a wonderful thing. But they have enslaved and killed many too. The people that runs these companies should be in prison.

But if I get sick, I'm talking to my doctor. Not to a truck driver.
I understand that the exact same things you are saying today would have applied 60 years ago.
I also understand that a person like you who blindly follows whatever today's science recommends would be doing the same 60 years ago.
You do realize that all of those have you or a loved one taken [ insert name of drug here] commercials are talking about drugs from our times.
I took the first two covid vaccines. Allegedly they helped lesson the effects of when I had covid. But, see no reason for me to take any of the others.
Key word being for me. If I was 20 years older or had a medical condition that would be different.
Not including government requirements I have been to the doctor maybe 3 times in the last 4 years.
I don't even have a doctor. I simply go to.the local urgent care and ask for a lady doctor. I bet in 2022 you were at the doctor 5 times.
Again if this were 1953 you would be of the exact same opinion and sign up for every " break through " that comes down the pike.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:56 pm I understand that the exact same things you are saying today would have applied 60 years ago.
I also understand that a person like you who blindly follows whatever today's science recommends would be doing the same 60 years ago.
You do realize that all of those have you or a loved one taken [ insert name of drug here] commercials are talking about drugs from our times.
I took the first two covid vaccines. Allegedly they helped lesson the effects of when I had covid. But, see no reason for me to take any of the others.
Key word being for me. If I was 20 years older or had a medical condition that would be different.
Not including government requirements I have been to the doctor maybe 3 times in the last 4 years.
I don't even have a doctor. I simply go to.the local urgent care and ask for a lady doctor. I bet in 2022 you were at the doctor 5 times.
Again if this were 1953 you would be of the exact same opinion and sign up for every " break through " that comes down the pike.
This is where you are an idiot.

No, there is no comparison to what medicine knows today from 1960. Seeing that you think there is no difference shows just how big an idiot you are.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:40 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Heart.html

This article and video alone is proof enough for anyone being objective.
He is talking about relatives which were long dead before he became VP.

Watch it and educate yourself
Sorry, that ain’t proof despite your arrogance.

Show me a doctor’s report and not some videos.

I shouldn’t have said educate yourself. You have no fucking interest in doing so. Which is unsurprising for a low information voter.
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I wish we didnt have America haters here, people who go out of their way to lie about our president.

they should move to russia...
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Going Hungry in America

The country’s neediest are dealing with food stamp cuts and rising prices at the same time.
...The big question is what happens now. Some experts have warned that the country is approaching a “hunger cliff,” with the number of Americans going hungry likely to spike this spring. To buy food, other families may have to use money that would otherwise have gone to rent or other bills — and fall behind on those payments.

The stress on family food budgets represents a tangible example of how a recent rise in the nation’s poverty rate is affecting people’s lives......


Russia, Ukraine extend grain deal to aid world's poor
The war in Ukraine sent food prices surging to record highs last year and helped contribute to a global food crisis also tied to the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic and climate factors like drought.

The disruption in shipments of grain needed for staples of diets in places like Egypt, Lebanon and Nigeria exacerbated economic challenges and helped push millions more people into poverty or food insecurity. People in developing countries spend more of their money on basics like food.

The crisis left an estimated 345 million people facing food insecurity, according to the U.N.’s World Food Program......
Warren: Powell 'took a flamethrower' to bank regulations leading up to SVB collapse
....Warren has heavily criticized Powell in the past for the Fed’s aggressive fight against inflation by raising interest rates, warning that high interest rates could lead to higher unemployment rates.

“Raising interest rates doesn’t do anything to solve those problems. All it does, at least by the way the chair wants to do this, is put millions of people out of work.” Warren said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

With the recent collapse of SVB, Warren expressed little confidence in Powell’s capability to serve as chair of the Fed.
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Ukraine is a perfect poster boy for the anti-war movement, though they don't know that yet. Unfortunately peace marches won't do the job this time. We're going to have to participate in the closest thing to WW III that the human race can survive. It's going to take a bigger revulsion to war than a few shows in the street can create. My guess is that it's already starting, though.

Here's the history, Z version:

One asshole was convinced by a member of his oligarchy that everyone would be cool if he made Ukraine part of Russia again. He started the first really major land war in Europe since WWII convinced thinking people that land wars in Europe were no longer sport.

He started his war, telling the troops it would be over in three days.

The prices of oil, natural gas, food, etc were already on the rise due to Covid, but this one led to full runaway inflation. Back in the real world outside Russian academia and the dinner table circuit, it totally disrupted the world that the Reaganoids had built for the emerging transnational oligarchy, a model which works great in peacetime but doesn't tolerate mass catastrophes like wars and pandemics very well at all. Now we had both.

That was a year ago, and it's getting worse.

Ukraine is a direct result of Ray Gun et al and their policy of restoring oligarchy as a means of "raising all boats." It just is, trust me. Actually it was based on false assumptions which had been discarded starting in the early 19th century, but it had been so long that we all forgot the basics of what makes cultures go.

Otherwise no one in their right mind would have done what we've seen since 1985.
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Hundreds of LAUSD schools shut down as workers at nation's 2nd-largest district strike
...SEIU Local 99, which represents roughly 30,000 school support staff, demanded LAUSD provide them with a 30% raise and $2 per hour equity wage increase. The United Teachers of Los Angeles, which represents about 35,000 teachers, said its educators would not cross picket lines and joined the strike in solidarity.

"We will stand united, 65,000 members strong, until LAUSD and Superintendent Alberto Carvalho give respect to the education workers that keep our schools running and our children safe," said UTLA President Cecily Myart-Cruz at Tuesday's news conference. "These are the coworkers that are the lowest paid workers in our schools, and we cannot stand idly by as we consistently see them disrespected and mistreated by the district. So let's be clear, the onus is on the district.".....

Garbage: In Paris streets, heaps of it become protest symbol
“I’m fortunate to live here, but I’m 200% behind these guys,” Salazar said. “They're smelling it all day long,” he said, though “it” wasn't the word he used. "They should get early retirement.”

He is among the majority of French who, polls show, oppose President Emmanuel Macron’s decision to raise the retirement age by two years, from 62 to 64 for most and from 57 to 59 for garbage collectors......

...More is ahead: Unions are planning nationwide marches and strikes for Thursday to pressure the government to withdraw the retirement measure.

“Garbage is a good way to protest. It has a big impact,” said Tony Gibierge, 36, who is opening a restaurant in several months on a street in southern Paris — a street currently heaped with garbage....
One group has become incredibly frail and destitute while the other has become like a militarized army with endless resources, fighting over austerity and levels of impoverishment to be inflicted.
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Fed hikes interest rate 0.25 point
Amid the aftershocks of bank runs that felled SVB and another bank, the Fed faced a wrenching decision over whether to continue to back up its inflation-fighting rhetoric or take a more cautious path and pause after 4½ points of rate increases the past year. Those rate bumps at eight straight meetings marked the most rapid such flurry since the early 1980s and contributed to the crisis, raising the risk that another increase could deepen banks’ troubles.
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This is how stupid Republicans are. They want to ban all these books in schools, and pass laws to ban anything "obscene". They just don't think, do they?
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... -contains/
Frustrated by the books being removed from school libraries, a Utah parent says there’s one that hasn’t been challenged yet, but that they believe should be, for being “one of the most sex-ridden books around.”

So they’ve submitted a request for their school district in Davis County to now review the Bible for any inappropriate content.

“Incest, onanism, bestiality, prostitution, genital mutilation, fellatio, dildos, rape, and even infanticide,” the parent wrote in their request, listing topics they found concerning in the religious text. “You’ll no doubt find that the Bible, under Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227, has ‘no serious values for minors’ because it’s pornographic by our new definition.”
It's going to be funny to watch, because these parents are completely right.
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gounion wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:05 pm This is how stupid Republicans are. They want to ban all these books in schools, and pass laws to ban anything "obscene". They just don't think, do they?
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2 ... -contains/



It's going to be funny to watch, because these parents are completely right.
Absolutely, bible must go.

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LAUSD Reaches Deal With Support Staff On Salary Increases, Other Benefits, After Three-Day Strike Ends

The union that represents school support staff in the Los Angeles Unified has reached a tentative agreement with the school district to increase salaries by 30% and provide health care to more members.

The deal comes after a three-day strike by bus drivers, cafeteria workers, classroom assistants and other Service Employees International Local 99 members that shut down district schools. The teachers' union, United Teachers Los Angeles, stayed out classrooms in solidarity with the SEIU staff.

https://laist.com/news/education/lausd- ... day-strike
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