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In the news media they are making out like people are quitting perfectly good jobs rather than sweatshops grinding workers down and the plague and poverty killing them off.

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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:19 am Just remember that your parents and you profited from a unionized workplace with health care and pension benefits. Yet you hate unions.
I dislike what unions have become. They've gone from being labor organizations to political organizations.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:41 am I dislike what unions have become. They've gone from being labor organizations to political organizations.
Again, untrue. They've always been both. You continue the falsehood.
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Pop quiz time, students.

The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 was passed largely due to lobbying by ____ : if you answered labor unions, the answer is correct!

Yeah, this "become" stuff is nonsense. Most of the labor laws in this country, going back to the 19th century and the earliest days of the AFL, were passed due to lobbying by labor unions.

They have always been political - after all, it is politicians who are responsible for labor laws and regulations, so they have no choice. It's politicians who control the funding for OSHA and other things to keep workplaces safe. Again, presuming they are funded and run properly.

Labor unions have to negotiate with the boss. Unfortunately, politicians control whether that terrain is a fair and honest playing field.
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ProfX wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:29 am Pop quiz time, students.

The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 was passed largely due to lobbying by ____ : if you answered labor unions, the answer is correct!

Yeah, this "become" stuff is nonsense. Most of the labor laws in this country, going back to the 19th century and the earliest days of the AFL, were passed due to lobbying by labor unions.

They have always been political - after all, it is politicians who are responsible for labor laws and regulations, so they have no choice. It's politicians who control the funding for OSHA and other things to keep workplaces safe. Again, presuming they are funded and run properly.

Labor unions have to negotiate with the boss. Unfortunately, politicians control whether that terrain is a fair and honest playing field.
Medicare was also passed due to labor union lobbying. The truth is, the rich and business has many lobbying groups for them, such as the National Association of Manufacturers and the Chamber of Commerce. The working people of our country only has unions to speak for them, and that's why the right wants to destroy us.
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November private payrolls rose by 534,000 topping expectations: ADP

U.S. private employers brought back more jobs than expected in November, with companies gradually filling widespread vacancies as the economic recovery moved further along.

Private payrolls grew by 534,000 in November compared to October, ADP said in its closely watched monthly report. Consensus economists were looking for private payrolls to rise by 525,000, according to Bloomberg data. Private payrolls had grown by 570,000 in October, according to ADP's revised monthly figure.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/november ... 51829.html
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Kellogg reaches tentative deal with union after 2 months of strike

Dec 2 (Reuters) - Kellogg Co (K.N) said on Thursday it has reached an agreement with the union on a new five-year contract for its employees at a few breakfast-cereal plants in the United States, potentially bringing a near two-month long strike to an end.

The tentative agreement, reached after multiple rounds of talks with the union, includes wage increases and benefits for all employees and better terms for temporary employees.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kellog ... 021-12-02/
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Jobless claims: Another 222,000 individuals filed initial unemployment claims last week

Weekly jobless claims rose after setting a more than five-decade low last week. Still, however, new claims came in near pre-pandemic levels, highlighting ongoing improvements in the labor market.

The Labor Department released its weekly jobless claims report on Thursday. Here were the main metrics from the print, compared to consensus estimates compiled by Bloomberg:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobless- ... 27307.html
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ap215 wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:53 am Kellogg reaches tentative deal with union after 2 months of strike

Dec 2 (Reuters) - Kellogg Co (K.N) said on Thursday it has reached an agreement with the union on a new five-year contract for its employees at a few breakfast-cereal plants in the United States, potentially bringing a near two-month long strike to an end.

The tentative agreement, reached after multiple rounds of talks with the union, includes wage increases and benefits for all employees and better terms for temporary employees.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kellog ... 021-12-02/
There is potentially a problem with this. The company hired permanent replacement workers in some plants. According to the law, the permanent replacement workers stay, and some striking workers may not come back to work unless there's openings. We'll see how this plays out.
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Its just that the companies and the authorities and business people have built this machine that has made it easy to dangle people out over a high rise building ledge to terrorize them into submission. and all the whole of society is both victim to it and slave to it now.

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US adds 210,000 jobs in November ahead of discovery of Omicron variant

The US economy added 210,000 jobs in November, less than half the jobs growth that economists had expected in a report that was compiled before the discovery of the Omicron coronavirus variant that now threatens to derail the economic recovery from the pandemic.

The unemployment rate dropped to 4.2% as employers added jobs in business services, transportation, warehousing and construction. The overall gain was less than half the 500,000 plus jobs that economists had expected to be added over the month.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... 21-omicron
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No surprise those many of those jobs were available when people were getting the extra 300 proving if you pay people not to work they won't
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:25 pm No surprise those many of those jobs were available when people were getting the extra 300 proving if you pay people not to work they won't
Still help wanted signs everywhere.

But it's true - you want jobs, elect Democrats.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:25 pm No surprise those many of those jobs were available when people were getting the extra 300 proving if you pay people not to work they won't
America lost jobs under the 4 years of Trump and then he crashed the economy. And he’s the leader of your party.
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Lost bad jobs and got worse ones in their place same as it always is.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:15 pm That is a very true statement the union back when it was a labor organization instead of a political organization worked and fought hard to make positive changes in the workplace.

My grandfather was a plant superintendent working the night shift at a place like you described and 2 or 3 times a year he would have to rush people to the ER.
Glenn, this is simply a lie. Unions have ALWAYS been political organizations as well as labor organizations. We got a 40-hour work week. We got the National Labor Relations Act.

FDR made a vice president from my union the Director of the Civilian Conservation Corps. Medicare wouldn't have been passed without support from my union and the rest of the labor movement.

Without the labor movement's political action, you wouldn't have any of the rights you have today on the job.

And we wouldn't have those safety rights without OSHA, a government program that made companies put those safety guards on machines. OSHA was passed because of the political will and clout of unions.

So why do you continue the lie in face of reality?
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:27 pm Still help wanted signs everywhere.

But it's true - you want jobs, elect Democrats.
They do not want jobs. They want freebies for corporate grifters, and wage slavery for everyone else.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:15 pm That is a very true statement the union back when it was a labor organization instead of a political organization worked and fought hard to make positive changes in the workplace.
This statement is mind-bogglingly ignorant.

Don't you know that the labor movement is not "the union" and that there are tons and tons of unions that make up the labor movement? There's no way you can't be aware of that.

Depriving the people who do the actual work of rights in employment is the political act.

This is WHY unions even exist.
My grandfather was a plant superintendent working the night shift at a place like you described and 2 or 3 times a year he would have to rush people to the ER.
I'm betting my entire San Francisco Bay Area Whole Foods budget this month he supervised a plant that was a whites-only, or whites-first, or white-males-only-management work environment. I bet you even think he got to a position of plant manager solely via personal merit. Now's your chance to correct carmenjonze on something, so correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Kellogg to permanently replace striking employees as workers reject new contract

Dec 7 (Reuters) - Kellogg Co (K.N) said on Tuesday a majority of its U.S. cereal plant workers have voted against a new five-year contract, forcing it to hire permanent replacements as employees extend a strike that started more than two months ago.

Temporary replacements have already been working at the company's cereal plants in Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Tennessee where 1,400 union members went on strike on Oct. 5 as their contracts expired and talks over payment and benefits stalled.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kellog ... 021-12-07/
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The MSM is complicit

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Drak wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:59 am The MSM is complicit

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