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You get a victory lap and everyone gets a victory lap over the debt limit deal.

Finally something passes that is totally bi partisan with compromises where everyone gave something and everyone got something.

Aka the way things used to be prior to the internet. I don't know if we will ever get back to those long ago days of compromise and working together. But, it was refreshing to see it happen at least one more time.


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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:41 am You get a victory lap and everyone gets a victory lap over the debt limit deal.

Finally something passes that is totally bi partisan with compromises where everyone gave something and everyone got something.

Aka the way things used to be prior to the internet. I don't know if we will ever get back to those long ago days of compromise and working together. But, it was refreshing to see it happen at least one more time.


https://deadline.com/2023/06/joe-biden- ... 235399399/
It's hilarious that the right kept saying that Biden was dementia-ridden but somehow stole the pants off the right.

Here's the deal - Biden has decades of making negotiating and making deals. He's a master at it. Now, people like Mitch McConnell are very good at it too, but he was on the sidelines. McCarthy is a chump, he has no idea how to do anything. Biden played him like a bad monkey. That's what happens when you have idiots in charge. Looks like the Dems promised McCarthy that they wouldn't let the GOP idiots vote McCarthy out, but the GOP idiots have done an end-around and may take McCarthy down anyway.

The GOP has elected crazy people. And you and Joe voted for them.
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I hear the exact same thing from liberals. Biden gave away the farm.
From conservatives it's McCarthy gave away the farm.
In reality it was a good deal for all involved. Everybody gave something Everybody got something.
And yes Biden is not competent enough to serve another term.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:16 pm I hear the exact same thing from liberals. Biden gave away the farm.
From conservatives it's McCarthy gave away the farm.
In reality it was a good deal for all involved. Everybody gave something Everybody got something.
And yes Biden is not competent enough to serve another term.
It's because Biden is far better at negotiating than anyone on the right, especially Donald Trump. He can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
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gounion wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:18 pm It's because Biden is far better at negotiating than anyone on the right, especially Donald Trump. He can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.
When he was VP the democrats tossed out of the room because he was that bad at negotiating
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:22 pm When he was VP the democrats tossed out of the room because he was that bad at negotiating
Well he sure did a hell of a job this time!

McCarthy blinked - he didn't want to shut down the world economy. Of course, it took a lot of Dems to vote for the bill - McCarthy couldn't get it done alone. Too many in the GOP wanted to destroy the world economy.
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gounion wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:28 pm Well he sure did a hell of a job this time!

McCarthy blinked - he didn't want to shut down the world economy. Of course, it took a lot of Dems to vote for the bill - McCarthy couldn't get it done alone. Too many in the GOP wanted to destroy the world economy.
Actually it was a fair deal for all involved.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:20 pm Actually it was a fair deal for all involved.
Then why has the House shut down over it?
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gounion wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:50 pm Then why has the House shut down over it?
Because like left wing extremist such as Elizabeth Warren they are opposed to the deal and are opposed to any and all compromise

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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:31 am Because like left wing extremist such as Elizabeth Warren they are opposed to the deal and are opposed to any and all compromise

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/0 ... l-00099541
Always trying to normalize the right. No, you have GOP House Representatives calling for civil war over the Trump indictment. They aren't normal.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:56 am Always trying to normalize the right. No, you have GOP House Representatives calling for civil war over the Trump indictment. They aren't normal.
Another flame war attempt. Who called for a civil war?
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:57 am Another flame war attempt. Who called for a civil war?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clay-hig ... e51a949865

Read the article.
Another GOP congressman, Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), was slightly more blunt.

“We have now reached a war phase,” he tweeted Friday. “Eye for an eye.”
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gounion wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:00 am https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clay-hig ... e51a949865

Read the article.
Kari Lake ran for Governor in Arizona, and got 1.27 MILLION votes. Just barely lost, and still hasn’t conceded, instead she keeps suing and losing.

But this is her statement:
Lake: “If you want to get to Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and 75 million Americans just like me. And most of us are card carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement.”
So if just a few of Donald Trump’s lunatics picks up a gun to defend his God Trump, will any of these folks be held to account?
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gounion wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:23 pm Kari Lake ran for Governor in Arizona, and got 1.27 MILLION votes. Just barely lost, and still hasn’t conceded, instead she keeps suing and losing.

But this is her statement:



So if just a few of Donald Trump’s lunatics picks up a gun to defend his God Trump, will any of these folks be held to account?
Yes what they said was over the top and shouldn't have been said. Because it could cause weak minded individuals to take it as a call to action. As other statements made by both liberals and conservatives could be.

However that asinine rhetoric is not a call for civil war. Regardless of what left wing liberals on extreme left wing sites tells low information left wing voters to believe
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:23 pm Yes what they said was over the top and shouldn't have been said. Because it could cause weak minded individuals to take it as a call to action. As other statements made by both liberals and conservatives could be.

However that asinine rhetoric is not a call for civil war. Regardless of what left wing liberals on extreme left wing sites tells low information left wing voters to believe
So then what does “war phase” mean exactly?
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Weak-minded individuals seem to make up the core of MAGA.
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Toonces wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:11 pm Weak-minded individuals seem to make up the core of MAGA.
That is true however it is also true of the extreme left.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:30 am That is true however it is also true of the extreme left.
The extreme right and Donald Trump controls the GOP. The “extreme left” has no control of the Democratic Party.
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The extreme left is a tiny, sorry collection of old-school, self-styled, mostly white, crusaders for a 1960s idea of justice and equality that's part anarchism and part old-school syndicalism of the IWW variety. It hasn't had a new idea since 1975. There's no chance whatsoever of it becoming the mainstream of any viable political party.

Glenn is the only one around here who seems to think it's a huge dire conspiracy.
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gounion wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:22 pm The extreme right and Donald Trump controls the GOP. The “extreme left” has no control of the Democratic Party.
Bernie Sanders is a committee chairman and the progressive caucus does weild a lot of power.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:10 pm Bernie Sanders is a committee chairman and the progressive caucus does weild a lot of power.
Progressive Caucus isn't "extreme". Not like the extreme running the GOP.
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gounion wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:38 pm Progressive Caucus isn't "extreme". Not like the extreme running the GOP.
https://indivisible.org/resource/thrive-act

They introduced and sponsored the thrive act.
Thus link really doesn't do it justice. It is far more leftist than the link
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:15 pm https://indivisible.org/resource/thrive-act

They introduced and sponsored the thrive act.
Thus link really doesn't do it justice. It is far more leftist than the link
The thrive act fact sheet is a much better source.

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Glennfs wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:17 pm The thrive act fact sheet is a much better source.

https://www.greennewdealnetwork.org/the-thrive-act
Two Senators and eight Congressmen.

Pretty tiny minority.

Even if they were radicals, there are FAR more CRAZY radicals in the GOP. They RUN the party.
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gounion wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:18 pm Two Senators and eight Congressmen.

Pretty tiny minority.

Even if they were radicals, there are FAR more CRAZY radicals in the GOP. They RUN the party.
And most are co chairs of the progressive caucus
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