Mass Shootings/Gun Control Reform Thread

[Drak]

First, ANTIFA isn't a thing. Just another Nazi tactic.

It was obvious people like Greene were going to do this with this incident. But the majority of mass shootings are carried out by conservative males. So by Greene's logic, well, do the math.

[bradman]

First, ANTIFA isn't a thing. Just another Nazi tactic.

It was obvious people like Greene were going to do this with this incident. But the majority of mass shootings are carried out by conservative males. So by Greene's logic, well, do the math.

i dunno....Antifa seems to have become a generic term. Any kind of violence from the left gets labeled Antifa........

35 detained after violence at Atlanta 'Cop City' police training site
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKr9rPNID0A

[ProfX]

April 1st you say? Only a thousand followers? Consider me, well, skeptical. As for calling everything "Antifa," well, yes, "they" are gonna do it, but "we" should not allow the misuse of the term.

EDIT: seems to be a real deal and not a bit of Russian trolling. That said, the group says they do not advocate violence, Audrey Hale had no connection to them, and they are merely planning a peaceful protest in front of SCOTUS. Still, yeah, "vengeance" might not be the best word choice.
https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/ ... ant-school

As I suspected, F**ker Carlson, EmptyG, and others are now deciding to seize on Audrey's gender dysphoria and claim that trans people are inherently dangerous. "Basic Instinct" Round 2.

BTW, the most likely mass shooter is a cisgender white male, usually a RWNJ. Far less frequent are female cisgender mass shooters, and BTW it's almost never involving a trans person. Trans people are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perps ... and yes, EmptyG is feeding that danger to them.

[bradman]

Correct it where and when you can? You betcha.

It just pisses me off. "Vengeance" is not that far removed from the "retribution" tweet. It makes no fucking sense to play into your enemies wheelhouse.

It'll trend.

[JoeMemphis]

Correct it where and when you can? You betcha.

It just pisses me off. "Vengeance" is not that far removed from the "retribution" tweet. It makes no fucking sense to play into your enemies wheelhouse.

It'll trend.

Here’s an idea. Maybe folks should wait and let the investigation run its course before deciding what to blame. Seems to me a better idea than making assumptions based on scraps of information.

As far as Antifa, they may be non violent but they do have a knack for showing up in a lot of places where violence seems to occur. Maybe coincidental. Maybe not.

[Libertas]

First, ANTIFA isn't a thing. Just another Nazi tactic.

It was obvious people like Greene were going to do this with this incident. But the majority of mass shootings are carried out by conservative males. So by Greene's logic, well, do the math.

It was a thing on Dec 8, 1941 when America finally decided to be so. At that time it was patriotic, but in trump world supporting putin is patriotic.

Back then folks like my dad got on ships and went out to fight it, it being fascism. Was called WW 2, but most cons dont know what that is.

[ap215]

Lawmakers get in shouting match outside House floor over gun control

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) got in a heated shouting match about gun control as lawmakers left House votes on Wednesday evening.

The exchange came in the wake of a shooter killing three nine-year-olds and three adults at a private Christian school in Nashville, Tenn. on Monday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3924 ... n-control/

[Libertas]

Lawmakers get in shouting match outside House floor over gun control

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) got in a heated shouting match about gun control as lawmakers left House votes on Wednesday evening.

The exchange came in the wake of a shooter killing three nine-year-olds and three adults at a private Christian school in Nashville, Tenn. on Monday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3924 ... n-control/

time to punch that fucking con

[Drak]

[Libertas]

This is a traitor to America.

Eventually everyone will figure it out and take action, i will be dead by then.

[Glennfs]

This is a traitor to America.

Eventually everyone will figure it out and take action, i will be dead by then.

While I don't personally own a gun and do not allow them in my home or on my property.
I am pro choice and do not think that I have the right to force my personal views on others.
As it is their right to choose

[bradman]

Here’s an idea. Maybe folks should wait and let the investigation run its course before deciding what to blame. Seems to me a better idea than making assumptions based on scraps of information.

As far as Antifa, they may be non violent but they do have a knack for showing up in a lot of places where violence seems to occur. Maybe coincidental. Maybe not.

[bold]Ya got me there.

[green] What to blame? That kinda sounds like it would be one specific thing to blame.

[JoeMemphis]

[bold]Ya got me there.

[green] What to blame? That kinda sounds like it would be one specific thing to blame.

Dunno about the what. All we know is the who.

[bradman]

Dunno about the what. All we know is the who.

The "what" being the multifaceted problem of gun control. The "who" isn't that important to me. i want to know "why" some are driven to take such actions. Actions that cross party lines. And is growing worse.

[JoeMemphis]

The "what" being the multifaceted problem of gun control. The "who" isn't that important to me. i want to know "why" some are driven to take such actions. Actions that cross party lines. And is growing worse.

We have hashed and rehashed gun control repeatedly. Nothing changes. Nothing will change. Personally, I don’t have an issue limiting access to assault rifles. I don’t have an issue with background checks. But the “gun” is not to blame. There are hundreds of thousands of people who own and possess weapons in this country who don’t go out and murder innocent women and children. The weapon is useless and meaningless without the human being wielding it.

The “who” and the “why” are the real question IMO. I don’t think we are ever going to understand what motivates people to commit such acts of evil against other innocent people. The weapon is nothing more than the tool. It is a useless hunk of metal unless it’s in the hand of a human.

[bradman]

We have hashed and rehashed gun control repeatedly. Nothing changes. Nothing will change. Personally, I don’t have an issue limiting access to assault rifles. I don’t have an issue with background checks. But the “gun” is not to blame. There are hundreds of thousands of people who own and possess weapons in this country who don’t go out and murder innocent women and children. The weapon is useless and meaningless without the human being wielding it.

The “who” and the “why” are the real question IMO. I don’t think we are ever going to understand what motivates people to commit such acts of evil against other innocent people. The weapon is nothing more than the tool. It is a useless hunk of metal unless it’s in the hand of a human.

The "who" is a bit to unpredictable. The "why" on the other hand, not so much.

[bold] So's that mean we give up?

[JoeMemphis]

The "who" is a bit to unpredictable. The "why" on the other hand, not so much.

[bold] So's that mean we give up?

It means things and attitudes will have to change before progress is made. I don’t see that happening right now. The country is polarized. The political party ideologues absolutely hate one another and would watch the country come apart rather than work with the other side.

It means Republicans and Democrats are no more sane than Sunni’s and Shia’s or Irish Catholics and Protestants or Hatfields and McCoys. I had two female dogs once that got along with other dogs but would fight each other to the death. That’s where we are.

As an independent, it makes no sense. It’s stupidity on steroids. Hopefully we will survive despite ourselves. But maybe not. Glad I don’t have kids.

[gounion]

It means things and attitudes will have to change before progress is made. I don’t see that happening right now. The country is polarized. The political party ideologues absolutely hate one another and would watch the country come apart rather than work with the other side.

It means Republicans and Democrats are no more sane than Sunni’s and Shia’s or Irish Catholics and Protestants or Hatfields and McCoys. I had two female dogs once that got along with other dogs but would fight each other to the death. That’s where we are.

As an independent, it makes no sense. It’s stupidity on steroids. Hopefully we will survive despite ourselves. But maybe not. Glad I don’t have kids.

You are NO independent. You’re a far-right conservative that votes for Republicans ONLY. Quit pretending otherwise.

[bradman]

It means things and attitudes will have to change before progress is made. I don’t see that happening right now. The country is polarized. The political party ideologues absolutely hate one another and would watch the country come apart rather than work with the other side.

It means Republicans and Democrats are no more sane than Sunni’s and Shia’s or Irish Catholics and Protestants or Hatfields and McCoys. I had two female dogs once that got along with other dogs but would fight each other to the death. That’s where we are.

As an independent, it makes no sense. It’s stupidity on steroids. Hopefully we will survive despite ourselves. But maybe not. Glad I don’t have kids.

[bold] i sometimes wonder if the wife and i didn't make a mistake there. It's not so much what maybe coming for us but more what they may have to go through. It's why we can't give up. We just have to figure out a way to change the current attitudes. In vain or not.

[JoeMemphis]

[bold] i sometimes wonder if the wife and i didn't make a mistake there. It's not so much what maybe coming for us but more what they may have to go through. It's why we can't give up. We just have to figure out a way to change the current attitudes. In vain or not.

It starts in my mind with acknowledging that the other side has a point of view. You can’t agree if you can’t talk and if you can’t meet in the middle somewhere. We have forgotten how to do that on important things.

Zowie said as much earlier this year and I have tried for the most part to follow that lead. However, there are still folks on this board who can’t pull that off.

[gounion]

It starts in my mind with acknowledging that the other side has a point of view. You can’t agree if you can’t talk and if you can’t meet in the middle somewhere. We have forgotten how to do that on important things.

Zowie said as much earlier this year and I have tried for the most part to follow that lead. However, there are still folks on this board who can’t pull that off.

You can’t discuss something with someone that lies. You can’t even admit your political views.

[JoeMemphis]

You can’t discuss something with someone that lies. You can’t even admit your political views.

“You can’t discuss something with someone that lies”. Reason #1 why a discussion with you on anything is a huge waste of time.

Thanks for making my point.

[bradman]

It starts in my mind with acknowledging that the other side has a point of view. You can’t agree if you can’t talk and if you can’t meet in the middle somewhere. We have forgotten how to do that on important things.

Zowie said as much earlier this year and I have tried for the most part to follow that lead. However, there are still folks on this board who can’t pull that off.

i don't so much care about the rest of the board. Especially when it come to the same old wars.

[bold] Why? Why even go there?

[JoeMemphis]

i don't so much care about the rest of the board. Especially when it come to the same old wars.

[bold] Why? Why even go there?

Because its the truth. Why not say it?

[bradman]

Because its the truth. Why not say it?

Because there's somethings better left unsaid?