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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:06 am We have always had inequality, vulnerable and poor in this country. Getting rid of those things is a worthy goal. However, I’m not sure that is just a government issue but also a societal/cultural issue as well. That being said, we are never going totally eliminate inequality or poverty. We can try.

Crime and the lack of respect for law and order is a governmental issue. Government officials choosing on their own which laws to enforce is not the answer. It breeds contempt for the law and once respect for law is gone it is much more difficult to get back. But we get what we vote for. So as long as the electorate tolerates officials that pick and choose what laws to enforce, we will have to live with the consequences.
We have always had vulnerable and poor and inequality in this country yes and likewise we have always had terrible transformations when the conditions of inequality and injustice become concentrated, embedded, and persist and are left unattended. That is what is happening now.

The laws are being made to protect and preserve those conditions instead of alleviating them and the worsening conditions that are the natural result are drawing contempt and fear and calls for more injustice and inequality.
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Motor City wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:02 pm We have always had vulnerable and poor and inequality in this country yes and likewise we have always had terrible transformations when the conditions of inequality and injustice become concentrated, embedded, and persist and are left unattended. That is what is happening now.

The laws are being made to protect and preserve those conditions instead of alleviating them and the worsening conditions that are the natural result are drawing contempt and fear and calls for more injustice and inequality.
I hear what you are saying but until you apply that to an actual law or proposal, it’s all rhetoric. In some circumstances, we might agree. In others we may not. Government is there to attempt to provide a level playing field and equal opportunity. There are always going to be varying outcomes. That is just life. You can’t guarantee outcomes.
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Fearing fear itself while stewing in trauma, disfunction and endless untended injustice. The problems growing spreading and multiplying in every direction.


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How the trauma of mass shootings fundamentally change American communities

This week's mass shootings in California, plus two others in just eight days, left 25 people dead and wounded 15 others. They also left many people to cope with the trauma of these attacks. Jennifer Carlson is studying the impact and aftermath of gun violence for the National Science Foundation. She joined Geoff Bennett to discuss how these shootings fundamentally change communities.
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Fear fearing fear fearing fear. That about sums it up.

This is a very scared country. A scared country is a dangerous country.

There are only a handful of problems that need fixing, but they haven't been fixed in 60 years and they show no sign of being fixed now. Too much hate, too much fear of the Other, not enough of anything else.

People have other things on their minds. There's no interest in having a UNITED States of America. There's no consensus on much of anything. It's all identity or affinity groups with their noise machines cranked to 12. We're in constant internal war.
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A look at California's deadly back-to-back mass shootings
....A farmworker, who told a television reporter Thursday that his complaints of being bullied and working long hours were ignored, shot five co-workers, killing four, at a mushroom farm Monday in Half Moon Bay, authorities said. He then drove to a nearby farm where he used to work and killed three more people......
Farm where 4 were killed had separate shooting last summer
The shooting that left four dead at a California mushroom farm on Monday was at least the second time an employee tried to kill a coworker on the property, records show.

Martin Medina, a manager at California Terra Garden, was charged with attempted murder after he threatened to kill another manager and then fired a shot into the man’s trailer. The bullet went through the trailer and into a neighboring one that was home to Yetao Bing, one of the workers killed on Monday, a prosecutor told The Associated Press. No one was injured......
of representation and democracy and justice, its looking like you cant cheat these things without inevitably wrecking and cursing society.
The state’s labor department is looking into possible labor, workplace safety and health violations at the farms where the shootings happened, a spokeswoman for the Department of Industrial Relations said Thursday. Newsom’s office said some of the farmworkers told him they made $9 an hour and lived in shipping containers. The state minimum wage is $15.50.

“The conditions farmworkers shared with the Governor ... are simply deplorable. Many workers have no choice but to tolerate the conditions provided to them by their employers,” Newsom spokesperson Daniel Villaseñor said in a statement.
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Beverly Crest fatal shooting: 3 dead 4 critical, police say no suspect information

Los Angeles Police Department Sgt., Bruce Borihanh provided updates on the Beverly Crest fatal Saturday morning shooting that left three people dead and four wounded; two critically. The suspect remains unknown and at large.

Around 2:40 a.m. police received a call of "an assault with a deadly weapon." in the 2700 block of Ellison Dr. When officers arrived at the scene, they found multiple people suffering from gunshot wounds. Three of those shot were pronounced dead at the scene.

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Prosecutor: $100 repair bill sparked Half Moon Bay shooting
A farmworker charged with killing seven people at two Half Moon Bay mushroom farms reportedly told investigators he was spurred to carry out the shootings after his supervisor demanded he pay $100 to repair a forklift damaged at work.

San Mateo County District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe confirmed to the Bay Area News Group Friday that Chunli Zhao was enraged by the equipment bill, saying that a co-worker was to blame for the collision between his forklift and the co-worker's bulldozer.

KNTV-TV, the NBC affiliate in the San Francisco Bay Area, was first to report the development.....
Elderly people living in shipping containers, doing farmwork in their 60s and 70s while being underpaid, treated unfairly and subjected to deadly violence.
....Zhao told KNTV-TV in a courthouse interview Thursday that he committed the shootings. He said he was bullied and worked long hours on the farms and his complaints were ignored, the station reported.

On Monday, Zhao vented to his supervisor about the bill, but the supervisor insisted he needed to pay. Zhao then allegedly shot the supervisor and the co-worker, the news outlets reported......
Inequality of the magnitude America is experiencing causes people to become deeply delusional about what each other deserves and doesnt deserve.
...The coroner’s office has named six of the victims: Zhishen Liu, 73, of San Francisco; Marciano Martinez Jimenez, 50, of Moss Beach, California; Aixiang Zhang, 74, of San Francisco; Qizhong Cheng, 66, of Half Moon Bay; Jingzhi Lu, 64, of Half Moon Bay; and Yetao Bing, 43, whose hometown was unknown......
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Florida mass shooting leaves 10 injured

LAKELAND, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida police are investigating a shooting that left 10 people injured Monday afternoon.

Investigators said the shooting happened around 3:43 p.m. in the city of Lakeland, which lies about 35 miles east of Tampa.

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It appears from a number of news reports that the Monterey Park shooter may have had a mental issue. Some of the accounts from police agencies that he'd contacted make it sound like he was highly mistrustful, perhaps verging on clinical paranoia. He'd also had marital problems. He won't be talking to the cops, nor will he be formally diagnosed, seeing as he shot himself.

The shooter in Half Moon Bay actually worked at one of the farms, and he was mad at his boss for docking him $100 for supposedly causing damage to a fork lift. He's not dead, and he's talking. Tells the cops that the bosses bullied him. Nooz clips of the farm labor camps make it look like the Chinese laborers need their own version of UFWOC.

The shooting in Beverly Hills/Hollywood hills WAS a at a short term rental, though neighbors didn't hear any loud music or heavy traffic in the street. Perhaps not a gang bang. Dunno. Short term rentals are a perennial problem in the rich neighborhoods, to the point where these places are not as idyllic as people think they are. Weekends can get pretty intense.

LA doesn't scare me as much as it did last week, though it's still a bit hard on the nerves with its worthless city government and out of control gang and homeless problems.
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Activists demand justice after double amputee shot to death by police in L.A. County

Activists outraged over the shooting death of a 36-year-old double amputee demanded justice and accountability Monday, CBS Los Angeles reports.

The Coalition for Community Control Over the Police and the family of Anthony Lowe Jr. held a news conference to bring awareness to Lowe's death.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-lo ... s-justice/
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Nebraska man who shot inside Target got rifle 4 days earlier
The man who was fatally shot by police after entering a Target store in Omaha, Nebraska, armed with an AR-15-style rifle had obtained the weapon just four days earlier at a Cabela’s sporting goods store, police said Wednesday. No one else was hurt.

Court records show that the man, identified by police as Joseph Jones, 32, of suburban Omaha, had no prior felony convictions in Douglas County, where Omaha is located. He also had no prior, documented contact with the city's police, records show.

He entered the store around noon Tuesday, where police said he fired several rounds, sending shoppers and workers scrambling for exits and cowering in bathroom stalls. Along with the rifle, he had 13 loaded rifle magazines of ammunition.

Jones’ uncle, Larry Derksen Jr., said his nephew had schizophrenia and that his mental illness left him isolated.

“My nephew went into Target. I believe he had no intention of hurting anybody. He fired off a bunch of rounds,” Derksen told KETV-TV. “He had an AR-15 before law enforcement got there. If he had any intention of killing anybody, he would have. He would have had time to do so......
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NJ Councilwoman Eunice Dwumfour found dead with multiple gunshot wounds in her car: Police

SAYREVILLE, New Jersey (WABC) -- Councilwoman Eunice Dwumfour from Sayreville, NJ was shot and killed on Wednesday night.

At around 7:22 p.m., Dwumfour inside her car outside her home, with multiple gunshot wounds, officials said.

https://abc7ny.com/eunice-dwumfour-nj-c ... /12761258/
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‘High chance’ of Hollywood mass shooting prevented.
A “high chance” of a mass shooting in Hollywood was thwarted Tuesday by police seizing a cache of guns and ammunition in a high-rise apartment where several rifles were pointed toward a nearby park, the Los Angeles Police Department said.

Braxton Johnson was taken into custody Tuesday after he allegedly made violent threats involving weapons to security staff at the apartment building and people outside, the agency said the following day.

A search of Johnson’s apartment turned up two assault rifles and high-capacity ammunition magazines, all of which are illegal in California, as well as three handguns, a sniper rifle, a shotgun and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

Investigators have not said whether they uncovered any additional evidence of a plot to target the park, or Johnson’s motive in pointing the rifles toward the area. Details about the threats he allegedly made Tuesday have also not been released.
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Intruder breaches base of Air Force One, shot fired

WASHINGTON (AP) — Another intruder has breached the home of Air Force One, one of the nation’s most sensitive military bases, and this time a resident opened fire on the trespasser, Joint Base Andrews said in a statement late Monday.

During the incident, which occurred at about 11:30 a.m. Monday, “a man gained unauthorized access to a JBA housing area,” Joint Base Andrews said in a statement posted to Twitter. “A resident discharged a firearm, security forces arrived on scene to apprehend the intruder and law enforcement is investigating the incident.”

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Joint Base Andrews is also a primary communication site. It's a very sensitive facility for more reasons than just the VIP aircraft for DC.

The "Hollywood Mass Shooting" is iffy. They guy had an arsenal, including 1000+ rounds, and there was some talk of fully automatic rifles being pointed at the park (on tripods? didn't say, but rifles don't point themselves). Nothing about intent. Of course, such possession in itself should be a major law violation, seeing as it has no practical purpose beyond mass murder. However, some will have you believe that it's every American's Constitutional right.

And you wonder why LA feels like living in Ukraine.
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Joint Base Andrews is also a primary communication site. It's a very sensitive facility for more reasons than just the VIP aircraft for DC.

The "Hollywood Mass Shooting" is iffy. The guy had an arsenal, including 1000+ rounds, and there was some talk of fully automatic rifles being pointed at the park (on tripods? didn't say, but rifles don't point themselves). Nothing about intent. Of course, such possession in itself should be a major law violation, seeing as it has no practical purpose beyond mass murder. However, some will have you believe that it's every American's Constitutional right.

And you wonder why LA feels like living in Ukraine.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:29 am Joint Base Andrews is also a primary communication site. It's a very sensitive facility for more reasons than just the VIP aircraft for DC.
What most people don't understand about base security is a base occupies a large amount of land hand most of it isn't under constant patrol or surveillance. Sensitive areas such, as flightlines and communications facilities have special security operations to protect them. Other areas, such as base administration, housing, support, etc., have normal security precautions similar to what civilian police do in local towns/cities.
The "Hollywood Mass Shooting" is iffy. They guy had an arsenal, including 1000+ rounds, and there was some talk of fully automatic rifles being pointed at the park (on tripods? didn't say, but rifles don't point themselves). Nothing about intent. Of course, such possession in itself should be a major law violation, seeing as it has no practical purpose beyond mass murder. However, some will have you believe that it's every American's Constitutional right.

And you wonder why LA feels like living in Ukraine.
While those in favor of allowing unlimited amount guns, assault rifles, ammunition this story does have enough credence say the chance of a mass shoot was real.
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Police: False shooting threats at several Michigan schools were 'coordinated campaign'
.....Keith Miller, a special needs teacher at the high school, saw police rush into the school and heard the lockdown alarms sound. He ran into his classroom, A-101, and officers stormed in with weapons drawn, ready to engage a shooter.....
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It's all destabilization. Those on the Republican side who want everything to come unstuck to make the Democrats look bad are on the warpath. They think any instability helps them, and given the track record for this sort of thing dating to the Middle Ages if not ancient times, they could be right. Eventually the brown stuff hits the rotary air mover, and they jump on the chaos to take over.
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22-year-old man shot near Times Square in New York City has died

TIMES SQUARE, Manhattan (WABC) -- A man who was shot on 44th Street and 8th Avenue in Times Square has died, according to police.

The incident happened around 5:30 p.m. on Thursday, prompting a massive police scene near one of the busiest parts of New York City.

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Rapper AKA shot dead in drive-by shooting on Durban’s Florida Road

Durban - Police sources in Durban have confirmed rapper Kiernan ‘AKA’ Forbes was shot dead in a drive-by shooting on Florida Road on Friday night.

Another person believed to be AKA’s bodyguard, was also wounded, while another unidentified person, who is understood to be a close friend of AKA, has been shot dead.

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3 dead, 5 injured in Michigan State shooting: What we know

Michigan State University was swarmed with police, ambulances and fear Monday night as an active shooter situation unfolded, with officials reporting three people dead and five others injured.

The school sent an alert at 8:31 p.m. telling students to run, hide and fight with a report of shots fired on the school's East Lansing campus. Police were still hunting for the person behind the shooting as of an 11 p.m. news conference.

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Media reporting this morning the suspect in the Michigan State shooting has killed himself with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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3 dead, 5 critical. Shooter was not a student. Shooter is not alive.

I refuse to give my usual rant on this subject.
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DOJ giving states $231M for gun violence prevention programs

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is sending out more than $200 million to help states and the District of Columbia administer “red-flag laws” and other crisis-intervention programs as part of the landmark bipartisan gun legislation passed by Congress over the summer, officials said Tuesday.

Red-flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders, are intended to temporarily remove guns from people with potentially violent behavior and prevent them from hurting themselves or others. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia have red-flag laws.

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