Interesting Report on Who Died From COVID

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The Voice of San Diego is a digital, nonprofit news organization that covers San Diego County. They cover stories more in-depth than the local news media and they usually only do one news story per day. They did a study of who died from COVID by political party during the two years of the pandemic. They sued the county to get the death certificates and they matched those names to the voter records. San Diego County has more registered Democrats than republicans and the ratio is 1.5 Democrats for every republican so you'd expect there would be more Democrats dying from COVID than republicans. What they discovered was in the first year of the pandemic, Democrats died at a higher rate than republicans and in the second year it was republicans who died at significantly higher rates than Democrats.

Here are some of the findings:
In year one, the death rate per 100,000 people was 77.7 for Democrats, 58.8 for republicans, and 64.3 for independents.

In year two, the death rate per 100,000 people was 36.9 for Democrats, 51.3 for republicans, and 48 for Independents.
When comparing the change in death rates between years one and two, the differences between the parties become even more stark. Democrats’ death rate dropped four times more than Republicans after vaccines became widespread.

The death rate among Democrats dropped by roughly 53 percent between years one and two. It dropped just 13 percent for Republicans and 25 percent for independent voters.
https://voiceofsandiego.org/2023/01/30/ ... democrats/
The article makes a good point on the reason why people did/didn't wear masks and avoid gatherings is because of the social bubble they live in. People are polarized by their political beliefs and they tend to socialize with those of their own ideological perspective. I think this is a valid point in that we tend to keep company with those we agree with and because of that we tend to accept and adopt the behavior of the group. So if one group opposes masks then most people in that group will reject mask use. If one group accepts vaccination then most people in that group will get vaccinate.
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The independent numbers are interesting. It seems there numbers are very high.
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Yah well, a lot of Independents aren't really independent. They might make that claim but then only vote for Republicans. Just like we have around these parts. They're the types that say they don't conform and by god, no one will tell them what to do! But they are Right Wing Libertarians and Conservative.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:50 pm The independent numbers are interesting. It seems there numbers are very high.
In the article, the Pew Research Center said Independents tend to lean 48% to Democrats and 39% to republicans so it's not surprising the number of deaths among Independents would be closer to the death rates for the two parties.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:58 pm Yah well, a lot of Independents aren't really independent. They might make that claim but then only vote for Republicans. Just like we have around these parts. They're the types that say they don't conform and by god, no one will tell them what to do! But they are Right Wing Libertarians and Conservative.
I've said, for years, the majority of Independents lean either to the Democrats or the republicans and the number of truly Independent voters is quite small.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:58 pm Yah well, a lot of Independents aren't really independent. They might make that claim but then only vote for Republicans. Just like we have around these parts. They're the types that say they don't conform and by god, no one will tell them what to do! But they are Right Wing Libertarians and Conservative.
In the Pew article it said more independents leaned democrat than republican. Shooting down another of your beliefs
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:20 pm In the Pew article it said more independents leaned democrat than republican. Shooting down another of your beliefs
You pick what you want to see any deny all the others. In other words, bullshit.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:22 pm You pick what you want to see any deny all the others. In other words, bullshit.
Are you speaking to me or to number6
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:24 pm Are you speaking to me or to number6
You. You will believe only one thing, and deny anything that doesn't fit your beliefs.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:26 pm You. You will believe only one thing, and deny anything that doesn't fit your beliefs.
So the numbers 6 posted were correct and not bullshit. Thanks for straightening that out.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:20 pm In the Pew article it said more independents leaned democrat than republican. Shooting down another of your beliefs
Shooting down what “beliefs”?
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:29 pm Shooting down what “beliefs”?
Thar Independents are really republican voters. Pew reported most leaned democratic
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:31 pm Thar Independents are really republican voters. Pew reported most leaned democratic
Where did I say that?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:31 pm Thar Independents are really republican voters. Pew reported most leaned democratic
How do you know? Do you have factual proof of any of it?
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:33 pm How do you know? Do you have factual proof of any of it?
I am just going by what number6 posted unlike you I trust him to tell the truth
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:34 pm I am just going by what number6 posted unlike you I trust him to tell the truth
No, you have badmouthed him in the past.

And you only trust something that confirms your beliefs.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:40 pm No, you have badmouthed him in the past.

And you only trust something that confirms your beliefs.
So now you are back to claiming his post is bullshit. Please make up your mind
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:41 pm So now you are back to claiming his post is bullshit. Please make up your mind
No I'm not. I'm just pointing out that you just want things that confirm your beliefs.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:42 pm No I'm not. I'm just pointing out that you just want things that confirm your beliefs.
So you agree with me that number6 link is correct and Drak's belief wrong.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:52 pm So you agree with me that number6 link is correct and Drak's belief wrong.
What belief? What did I say was wrong?
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Was wondering about non voters as well as people considered essential workers who worked through it and people they came into contact with. Because some of the deaths were by people that had little or no resources or control over their conditions, that not working wasnt an option and going to work got them infected or exposed and then infected/exposed others they came into contact with.
To perform the analysis, we first matched records of people with the same name and birthdate. To account for errors in data entry, we then used an algorithm to seek out near matches. We manually went through each near match and, with the help of addresses listed in both documents, verified if it was an actual match.

During year one, roughly 4,200 died with Covid in San Diego County. We matched 41 percent of the year one death certificates to a voter file. In year two, roughly 2,200 people died. We matched 57 percent of the year two death certificates.

One likely reason we found fewer registered voters in year one is that immigrants — at least some of whom would not have been eligible to vote — died in such disparate percentages during the first year of the pandemic, as Voice previously reported. That disparity decreased during the second year.

In California, roughly 60 percent of people 18 and older are registered to vote, according to Census data.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:52 pm So you agree with me that number6 link is correct and Drak's belief wrong.
I remember you saying for years that you don't believe polls. Now you do suddenly?
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The nature of Covid deaths evolved right along with the virus.

When it started, there was good reason to caution older people to be especially careful. The virus mutated into variants that were much more infectious, taking weakened immune systems at least partially out of the equation. However, by then we were stuck with the folklore that only old people really had to worry about covid.

Obviously there is still a reason to protect older people, since they are more likely to have other conditions that weaken the ability to fight off a virus. However, this idea that you don't have to take simple public health precautions unless you're old is now deeply ingrained. Next time around, don't say that.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:24 pm The nature of Covid deaths evolved right along with the virus.

When it started, there was good reason to caution older people to be especially careful. The virus mutated into variants that were much more infectious, taking weakened immune systems at least partially out of the equation. However, by then we were stuck with the folklore that only old people really had to worry about covid.

Obviously there is still a reason to protect older people, since they are more likely to have other conditions that weaken the ability to fight off a virus. However, this idea that you don't have to take simple public health precautions unless you're old is now deeply ingrained. Next time around, don't say that.
Yeah, the young think they're invulnerable so they don't have to take precautions. I had the same belief when I was in my 20s and thought I was invulnerable to getting sick or injured. I will admit I didn't get sick often with only colds and the flu being the exceptions. Now that I'm in my early 70s, I'm a little more careful.

Last August, I went to Las Vegas for a bowling tournament with a team from my league. They went to a tournament last month, I didn't want to do that tournament, and after returning last week one of the team members tested positive for COVID. He's in his early 60s so his teammates have to isolate for 14 days. In August, he said he was fully vaccinated but I don't know if since then he's had the booster. COVID hasn't gone away so people will still have to take precautions. I'll be going to Reno for a bowling tournament in March and I'll be wearing my mask.
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