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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:05 am You say they have to be denied the rights to play sports and where they can go to the bathroom or what locker room they choose. You believe that we can’t have drag shows that children attend, even if they’re G rated. You want to silence teachers about transgendered people.

Your answer shows that you believe that people MUST be put into the binary man-or-woman either-or box.

And if you say that gays have a mental disorder, should we respect that opinion? I mean, your assertion is medically incorrect. You can also believe the earth is flat, but I’m not going to respect that belief.
Let's review playing sports is a privilege not a right and life can't be fair all the time. If you let the transitioning athlete on then you are being unfair to the athlete who isn't transitioning.

As for drag shows I know you would never lie so let's just say you are mistaken. We (I) are talking about R or X rated drag shows or parades. Where many people march or perform while stroking a dildoe. While you might believe that is perfectly OK for kids to see most of society disagrees with you.

As for your binary box again the entire subject is farvmore complicated than to be boiled down to something that simple.

A mental disorder not unless being dyslexic is considered a mental disorder. It appears we are of the same opinion. As you believe that until a full transitioning is complete the person is the gender which they were born.

Again they can live their lives however thet choose and I support them 100pct. Until their rights interfere with someone else's life then we have to make a descion.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:24 am
As for drag shows I know you would never lie so let's just say you are mistaken. We (I) are talking about R or X rated drag shows or parades. Where many people march or perform while stroking a dildoe. While you might believe that is perfectly OK for kids to see most of society disagrees with you.

Instead, let’s let our kids play with guns, shoot teachers, and watch ultra violent Tv shows and movies!

All you do is parrot what you’re told to be outraged about.

Why don’t you conservatives mind your own business when it comes to parenting? If a parent wants to take their child to an R rated movie, that’s their business.
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Drak wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:34 am Instead, let’s let our kids play with guns, shoot teachers, and watch ultra violent Tv shows and movies!

All you do is parrot what you’re told to be outraged about.

Why don’t you conservatives mind your own business when it comes to parenting? If a parent wants to take their child to an R rated movie, that’s their business.
So it's OK to take my grandson to the strip club if they wear pasties and g strings.
As for parroting I hope you don't run out of rocks or windows
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:44 am So it's OK to take my grandson to the strip club if they wear pasties and g strings.
As for parroting I hope you don't run out of rocks or windows
Wow, just when I thought I couldn’t get any dumber. Your grandson couldn’t get into a strip club if he’s a minor, so no. And as a parent, I didn’t take my kid to R rated movies and I didn’t let him play games like Grand Theft Auto. But I know other parents who did and that’s up to them, even if I disagree.

All you do is parrot the latest RW faux outrage BS and culture wars. It’s sad and pathetic.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:24 am Let's review playing sports is a privilege not a right and life can't be fair all the time. If you let the transitioning athlete on then you are being unfair to the athlete who isn't transitioning.
Sports governing bodies have set up rules to keep it fair. But you don't give a shit, do you, they shouldn't have the RIGHT to make those rules, as your bigotry toward trans athletes should rule, and laws should be made so that transgender people can't play sports period.
As for drag shows I know you would never lie so let's just say you are mistaken. We (I) are talking about R or X rated drag shows or parades. Where many people march or perform while stroking a dildoe. While you might believe that is perfectly OK for kids to see most of society disagrees with you.
First, that drag show was late in the night at a festival, so it's likely that any children still there were asleep in their parent's arms.

And your side is protesting - often carrying guns - drag story times at public libraries, and your side is trying to ban them:

A wave of bills restricting free expression is building in state legislatures. This time, the target is drag performances.

In the first weeks of the current legislative session, legislators in eight states have introduced legislation aiming to restrict or censor drag shows. A total of 14 bills have been introduced across Arizona, Arkansas, Missouri, Nebraska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia. Other bills appear to be being drafted, including in Montana and Idaho.

This introduction of anti-drag legislation dovetails with a rise in political rhetoric about drag performances and drag queen story hours in public libraries in numerous states, and a growing number of recent protests at drag events, some of which have turned violent.

The focus of these anti-drag bills varies from state to state, but share some common provisions:

  • Most define a drag performer as someone performing while using dress, makeup, and mannerisms associated with a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth. Nine include lip-synching within their definitions, and most specify that the person must be performing for an audience.
  • Ten of these bills seek to expand the definition of adult or sexually oriented businesses to include any establishment that hosts drag performances, which would make it illegal for such business to be located within a certain distance of public schools or residential areas. In Texas, at least four different bills would put venues that host drag performances in the same category as adult movie theaters and strip clubs.
  • Six of these bills also explicitly ban minors from viewing or participating in drag performances: A South Carolina bill would make it a felony to allow a minor to view a drag performance, and a Nebraska bill would make it illegal to attend a performance until the age of 19. Other bills would implicitly ban minors by reclassifying drag shows as adult or sexually oriented.
  • Four bills explicitly ban drag performances at schools or public libraries. A drafted Montana bill would introduce a $5,000 fine to any school, library, or employee of a school or library who is found to be in violation of the law, and in Arizona, it would be illegal to hold a drag performance within a quarter mile of a school or public playground.


This is certainly not the first time governments have attempted to prevent people from wearing their preferred clothing when they perform in front of an audience. Laws criminalizing dressing in clothing customarily worn by the gender to which a person was not assigned at birth were common, and commonly enforced, in the 19th century. These were unconstitutional restrictions on expressive rights and used to disproportionately harm the LGBTQ+ community then, and they remain so now.

These attacks on drag shows and performers strike at the heart of our rights to gather, read, and perform together. Drag shows are an exercise of artistic and creative expression that should be free from government suppression.
As for your binary box again the entire subject is farvmore complicated than to be boiled down to something that simple.
Sounds to me like it's simple to you: Whatever sex they are seen as at birth is the only sex they should ever been seen as under the law, and when it comes to sports.
A mental disorder not unless being dyslexic is considered a mental disorder. It appears we are of the same opinion. As you believe that until a full transitioning is complete the person is the gender which they were born.
Please should us where trans is considered a mental disorder.

And we are NOT of the same opinion. I do not hold your bigoted opinions.
Again they can live their lives however thet choose and I support them 100pct. Until their rights interfere with someone else's life then we have to make a descion.
No, you don't support them, you don't support schools supporting them, or even speaking of ANY LGBTQ+ issue. You want to keep the second or even third class citizens who can't even appear before children.

Which is insane, as we grew up with men in drag, including Uncle Milty, Geraldine and many others. On family TV.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:44 am So it's OK to take my grandson to the strip club if they wear pasties and g strings.
As for parroting I hope you don't run out of rocks or windows
I would bet you're pretty easy-going about what sexuality you let your grandson see, as long as it's straight sex and not LGBTQ+ type.
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More from the previously posted article, because I think this is important:
In the United States, there is a long and rich history of drag shows in the queer community. The first known drag balls happened in Washington, D.C. in 1888. Since then, drag performance has influenced culture around the world including the documentary Paris is Burning, Madonna’s music video for her song, Vogue, the musical, La Cage Aux Folles, the recent television series, Pose, and Beyonce’s entire latest album, Renaissance–to name just a few examples. Any attempt to ban or restrict these performances is an affront to the First Amendment and to the principles of free expression that have allowed culture and the arts to flourish in the United States.

And if that were not enough, these bills would do more than just deter or ban drag performances. The bills often define drag as anyone performing in clothing or in a manner different from the gender assigned to them at birth. That definition appears to extend far beyond drag shows to include any performance by a trans person. Music acts that have trans members might not be able to find any venue for performing in these states completely, even if the band’s music and performances are not what anyone would consider to be a drag show. Trans actors might not be able to appear in a production of Our Town or perform a reading of a cookbook they authored unless the host venues complied with regulations for “adult businesses”.

Even more broadly, some of these bills could also mean, for example, that if a local theater were to cast a woman as Peter Pan — a role Sandy Duncan played on Broadway in 1979 — the theater would become regulated as a sexually-oriented business. A theater could not stage a Shakespeare play in the same manner it was staged during Shakespeare’s time, which is to say, with men playing the roles of the female characters. High schools could not perform Twelfth Night at all under many of these bills. Classic and award-winning movies like Tootsie, Some Like it Hot, or even White Christmas, which all feature male-identified people wearing typically female-identified clothing, could not be shown in schools or libraries.

Many of these bills would also effectively ban trans authors from being featured in events at public schools, or public libraries. And, the bills could additionally impact women who wear pants or men who wear kilts. Read literally, under many of these bills, a man who wanted to read a story about kilts to children at his local library would not be able to do so while wearing one — without risking penalty either for himself or for the library. That may sound absurd; but this isn’t absurd for the many people who are being labeled dangerous or sexual or would be barred from having contact with minors, just because of their identity and the clothes they choose to wear to express it.

The dangers these bills pose to free expression could not be more clear. We hope legislators in these states will refrain from enacting these discriminatory and absurd bills into law.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:04 am More from the previously posted article, because I think this is important:



My cousin and I took his then-ten-year-old son with us to see the movie Tootsie. Should we have been jailed?
Yes the movie tootsie is exactly the same as a drag queen stroking a dildoe in a parade.
Just as Milton Berle was exactly the same.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:50 am Sports governing bodies have set up rules to keep it fair. But you don't give a shit, do you, they shouldn't have the RIGHT to make those rules, as your bigotry toward trans athletes should rule, and laws should be made so that transgender people can't play sports period.

First, that drag show was late in the night at a festival, so it's likely that any children still there were asleep in their parent's arms.

And your side is protesting - often carrying guns - drag story times at public libraries, and your side is trying to ban them:

A wave of bills restricting free expression is building in state legislatures. This time, the target is drag performances.

In the first weeks of the current legislative session, legislators in eight states have introduced legislation aiming to restrict or censor drag shows. A total of 14 bills have been introduced across Arizona, Arkansas, Missouri, Nebraska, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia. Other bills appear to be being drafted, including in Montana and Idaho.

This introduction of anti-drag legislation dovetails with a rise in political rhetoric about drag performances and drag queen story hours in public libraries in numerous states, and a growing number of recent protests at drag events, some of which have turned violent.

The focus of these anti-drag bills varies from state to state, but share some common provisions:

  • Most define a drag performer as someone performing while using dress, makeup, and mannerisms associated with a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth. Nine include lip-synching within their definitions, and most specify that the person must be performing for an audience.
  • Ten of these bills seek to expand the definition of adult or sexually oriented businesses to include any establishment that hosts drag performances, which would make it illegal for such business to be located within a certain distance of public schools or residential areas. In Texas, at least four different bills would put venues that host drag performances in the same category as adult movie theaters and strip clubs.
  • Six of these bills also explicitly ban minors from viewing or participating in drag performances: A South Carolina bill would make it a felony to allow a minor to view a drag performance, and a Nebraska bill would make it illegal to attend a performance until the age of 19. Other bills would implicitly ban minors by reclassifying drag shows as adult or sexually oriented.
  • Four bills explicitly ban drag performances at schools or public libraries. A drafted Montana bill would introduce a $5,000 fine to any school, library, or employee of a school or library who is found to be in violation of the law, and in Arizona, it would be illegal to hold a drag performance within a quarter mile of a school or public playground.


This is certainly not the first time governments have attempted to prevent people from wearing their preferred clothing when they perform in front of an audience. Laws criminalizing dressing in clothing customarily worn by the gender to which a person was not assigned at birth were common, and commonly enforced, in the 19th century. These were unconstitutional restrictions on expressive rights and used to disproportionately harm the LGBTQ+ community then, and they remain so now.

These attacks on drag shows and performers strike at the heart of our rights to gather, read, and perform together. Drag shows are an exercise of artistic and creative expression that should be free from government suppression.


Sounds to me like it's simple to you: Whatever sex they are seen as at birth is the only sex they should ever been seen as under the law, and when it comes to sports.

Please should us where trans is considered a mental disorder.

And we are NOT of the same opinion. I do not hold your bigoted opinions.

No, you don't support them, you don't support schools supporting them, or even speaking of ANY LGBTQ+ issue. You want to keep the second or even third class citizens who can't even appear before children.

Which is insane, as we grew up with men in drag, including Uncle Milty, Geraldine and many others. On family TV.
Your post is beyond ridiculous and because I recognize the fact that people born male have a genetic advantage over those born female is hardly being anti trans.
But as always you folks on the left demand that everyone agree with you 100pct. Where even a slight difference is considered a complete difference.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:13 am So according to what you just wrote a person has to accept every social program or reject all social programs.
It is possible to support social programs and not be a socialist.
However in the case of many people here they have never opposed any social programs proposed.
Also many here support Bernie Sanders and AOC whi are socialist according to the democratic socialist website.
Finally let's not forget nobody here was upset or opposed to placing an admitted socialist to chair the senate budget committee.
I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut what AOC or Bernie proposed. YOU tell me what legislation they proposed to nationalize ANY means of production. Then tell me how far it went in getting through congress.

“It is possible to support social programs and not be a socialist.” Congratulations! You just described, imo, the Nordic model which was listed in the link you cleave to like it was the Holy Grail.

Your rigid stupidity regarding the socialism while failing to note ANY actual socialist legislation is unsurprising.

I don’t give a fuck about an “ADMITTED SOCIALIST” chairing the senate budget committee because, you simpleton, it is irrelevant. Nothing is going to come out of that committee that would be actual socialism.

But that’s ok, you keep bleating “Socialism” in your mindless manner all you want. You are shrieking nonsense into the void but then everybody needs a hobby.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:19 pm Your post is beyond ridiculous and because I recognize the fact that people born male have a genetic advantage over those born female is hardly being anti trans.
But as always you folks on the left demand that everyone agree with you 100pct. Where even a slight difference is considered a complete difference.
Part of the woke culture.
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bird wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:34 pm I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut what AOC or Bernie proposed. YOU tell me what legislation they proposed to nationalize ANY means of production. Then tell me how far it went in getting through congress.

“It is possible to support social programs and not be a socialist.” Congratulations! You just described, imo, the Nordic model which was listed in the link you cleave to like it was the Holy Grail.

Your rigid stupidity regarding the socialism while failing to note ANY actual socialist legislation is unsurprising.

I don’t give a fuck about an “ADMITTED SOCIALIST” chairing the senate budget committee because, you simpleton, it is irrelevant. Nothing is going to come out of that committee that would be actual socialism.

But that’s ok, you keep bleating “Socialism” in your mindless manner all you want. You are shrieking nonsense into the void but then everybody needs a hobby.
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Fact is people who support democratic socialism are in fact supporting socialism.

In the Democratic Socialist website the first few words are proclaiming themselves to be the largest Socialist political organization in the USA.
They go on to brag about Bernie and AOC.
Now and I am paraphrasing they go on to say that corporations should be ran democratically by the people.
So you tell me how is that any different than the government owning the means of production.
We have people here who support almost every aspect of socialism but they say they are opposed to the government owning the means.
The stated policy of the democratic socialist party is saying government ownership just using different phrasing.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:19 pm Your post is beyond ridiculous and because I recognize the fact that people born male have a genetic advantage over those born female is hardly being anti trans.
But as always you folks on the left demand that everyone agree with you 100pct. Where even a slight difference is considered a complete difference.
Part of the woke culture.
Ah yes, and since you AREN’T “woke” (just a bullshit buzzword) you agree with the right that white people are genetically intellectually superior, which is why we need to do away with Affirmative Action in order to make sure that the inferior race is kept out of the best schools, right?

Wow, haven’t heard this much talk about “genetic superiority” since David Duke!
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:19 pm

Part of the woke culture.
Buzz word culture war parroting again. Just can't think for yourself. At all.
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Gender identity is not the same as sexual biology. A transgender person is not necessarily biologically transitioned.

In highly competitive and professional sports, I think the sporting association should make decisions on who can play on which teams. If they are OK with trans athletes, so am I. I also accept if they rule only the fully biologically transitioned may play. It's their decision, not the government's. Otherwise, especially if it's varsity or recreational sports, I don't get the problem.

Prison rape is a problem which should be stopped by the guards (too bad sometimes they look the other way, or worse, participate).

That is all I have to say on both issues.

At least we're not arguing over which bathroom they should use. :roll:
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:53 pm Ah yes, and since you AREN’T “woke” (just a bullshit buzzword) you agree with the right that white people are genetically intellectually superior, which is why we need to do away with Affirmative Action in order to make sure that the inferior race is kept out of the best schools, right?

Wow, haven’t heard this much talk about “genetic superiority” since David Duke!

Good use of the liberal flow chart
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ProfX wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:01 pm Gender identity is not the same as sexual biology. A transgender person is not necessarily biologically transitioned.

In highly competitive and professional sports, I think the sporting association should make decisions on who can play on which teams. If they are OK with trans athletes, so am I. I also accept if they rule only the fully biologically transitioned may play. It's their decision, not the government's. Otherwise, especially if it's varsity or recreational sports, I don't get the problem.

Prison rape is a problem which should be stopped by the guards (too bad sometimes they look the other way, or worse, participate).

That is all I have to say on both issues.

At least we're not arguing over which bathroom they should use. :roll:


Prison rape rarely happens. Prison life is nothing like it is portraited in media.
As for sports the NCAA have invoked new rules which will make it very difficult for trans athletes in the future.
Which is basically how they banned trans athletes without actually banning them.

Let me redefine that to say violent Prison rape.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:11 pm Good use of the liberal flow chart
When losing an argument it is always good to invoke racism
You're the one talking "genetic superiority", not me. We always know how great those "genetic superiority" arguments have held up over the decades, but you keep coming back to them, don't you?
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:14 pm Prison rape rarely happens. Prison life is nothing like it is portraited in media.
As for sports the NCAA have invoked new rules which will make it very difficult for trans athletes in the future.
Which is basically how they banned trans athletes without actually banning them.
So this thread was bullshit from the start, wasn't it? What's funny is you thought you were being clever. Which never works out well for you. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:19 pm So this thread was bullshit from the start, wasn't it? What's funny is you thought you were being clever. Which never works out well for you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

No wrong again. It does show that while people like you claim to believe that a person who is transitioning is no longer a man but now a woman is simply not true.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:23 pm No wrong again. It does show that while people like you claim to believe that a person who is transitioning is no longer a man but now a woman is simply not true.
Again, you're using the binary man/woman and either/or and that's not reality.

It's funny how you deny you do that, when it's EXACTLY what you're doing.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:25 pm Again, you're using the binary man/woman and either/or and that's not reality.

It's funny how you deny you do that, when it's EXACTLY what you're doing.
So is the person in the op a man or a woman
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:26 pm So is the person in the op a man or a woman
They are trans. Again, all you have in binary, to you they are one or the other, mostly based upon gender assigned at birth.

And then, hilariously, after denying it, you jump right back into it. Your ignorance of the subject is amazing. You kept talking about old women being freaked out by a transgender person using the women's bathroom. Which, in itself is crazy, because women's bathrooms have stalls, so you don't see anything.

But tell me would grandma freak if this person walked into the women's bathroom?

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You see, your problem is you think of a transgender is a big hulking guy with a beard in a dress. That's not reality.
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gounion wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:32 pm They are trans. Again, all you have in binary, to you they are one or the other, mostly based upon gender assigned at birth.

And then, hilariously, after denying it, you jump right back into it. Your ignorance of the subject is amazing. You kept talking about old women being freaked out by a transgender person using the women's bathroom. Which, in itself is crazy, because women's bathrooms have stalls, so you don't see anything.

But tell me would grandma freak if this person walked into the women's bathroom?

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You see, your problem is you think of a transgender is a big hulking guy with a beard in a dress. That's not reality.
So you search for a person who looks like that instead of the woman in Biden's cabinet.
Than you for playing grasping at straws
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:34 pm So you search for a person who looks like that instead of the woman in Biden's cabinet.
Than you for playing grasping at straws
No, that's a real trans person. They often DO look like that.

And the gal my Grandpa married after my mom's mother died had quite the mustache.

Again, though, you make my point about you think it's either/or. Tell me, Glenn, which bathroom should this person go to?

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