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I have heard it on LW talk radio. I have read it here from different people. But, it seems to me if people are believing that they are manipulating the price of oil to influence our midterms that would be be a broad based conspiracy theory.
I have my own thoughts about why they are the driving force behind OPEC and the current price. But, that we a subject for a different thread. ( hopefully)
So just what are the Saudis doing to influence the outcome of our midterms in your opinions.
My opinion is the democratic party in general and progressives in particular are looking for an excuse if they do lose in the midterms. Which at this point is far from certain.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 am My opinion ...
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:59 am
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I know all the attention is on Russia - and rightfully so as I think they are the biggest actor in the space of dark money/foreign interference ... BUT ...

List of 2020 election meddlers includes Cuba, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, US intelligence official says
https://www.cyberscoop.com/2020-electio ... rth-korea/

“Saudis are working to get Trump elected”: MBS accused of “election interference” to hurt Democrats
Saudi Arabia is slashing oil production before midterms in what some are calling a "hostile act" against Democrats
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/12/saudis ... s_partner/
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ProfX wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:25 pm I know all the attention is on Russia - and rightfully so as I think they are the biggest actor in the space of dark money/foreign interference ... BUT ...

List of 2020 election meddlers includes Cuba, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, US intelligence official says
https://www.cyberscoop.com/2020-electio ... rth-korea/

“Saudis are working to get Trump elected”: MBS accused of “election interference” to hurt Democrats
Saudi Arabia is slashing oil production before midterms in what some are calling a "hostile act" against Democrats
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/12/saudis ... s_partner/
And board cons welcome our enemies rigging elections. Raising the price of oil purposely to hurt Democrats is RIGGING the election.

Is every economic stat record breaking GOOD? Yes, but due to worldwide inflation, the lying messaging seems to be working. How dumb can people be. sigh

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ProfX wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:25 pm I know all the attention is on Russia - and rightfully so as I think they are the biggest actor in the space of dark money/foreign interference ... BUT ...

List of 2020 election meddlers includes Cuba, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, US intelligence official says
https://www.cyberscoop.com/2020-electio ... rth-korea/

“Saudis are working to get Trump elected”: MBS accused of “election interference” to hurt Democrats
Saudi Arabia is slashing oil production before midterms in what some are calling a "hostile act" against Democrats
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/12/saudis ... s_partner/
!?

Cuba still has wind-up internet. How did they meddle?

Don't get me wrong, I do not doubt for a minute the .cu government tried it. But...how?
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You know what, as soon as I posted that, I remember. The govt fat cats probably have 5G and fiber.

Everyone else has to buy pay-to-play cards. :evil:

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Yeah, they are the classic example of a "Tropico" Banana Republic that punches above their weight.

If you remember, some of the first incidents of so-called "woodpecker" (i.e. ultrasonic brain blasting) attacks were on Americans near the location of the Cuban Embassy. It was probably Russian tech but the Cubans deployed it.
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Mostly crickets on this topic....I wonder why....hmmmm
Could it be because there is no evidence that it is actually happening.
I suppose OPEC manipulated the price of oil to get Reagan elected.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:33 am Mostly crickets on this topic....I wonder why....hmmmm
Could it be because there is no evidence that it is actually happening.
I suppose OPEC manipulated the price of oil to get Reagan elected.
I have heard it on LW talk radio. I have read it here from different people.
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ProfX wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:25 pm I know all the attention is on Russia - and rightfully so as I think they are the biggest actor in the space of dark money/foreign interference ... BUT ...

List of 2020 election meddlers includes Cuba, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, US intelligence official says
https://www.cyberscoop.com/2020-electio ... rth-korea/

“Saudis are working to get Trump elected”: MBS accused of “election interference” to hurt Democrats
Saudi Arabia is slashing oil production before midterms in what some are calling a "hostile act" against Democrats
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/12/saudis ... s_partner/
But board con with the IQ of a 9 yr old says not so.
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It isn't as if KSA is going to come right out and say that they'd manipulate oil prices to favor Republicans, so if you're expecting video evidence it's going to be difficult to provide it.

Now, is it something that the Saudis would do? Absolutely, undeniably. They've been playing the USA for the longest time but America tags right along so that there is cheap oil flowing, that the oil companies are turning a profit. Strangely, Saudi oil accounts for only 3% of what the US imports.

Saudi Arabia is a terrorist nation and has been for decades. Still, the US government looks the other way and sells them weapons so that, again, there is cheap oil because KSA has a stranglehold on OPEC. Republicans are decidedly more pro-Saudi Arabia than Democrats, and Democrats are still pro-Saudi Arabia.

Would the Sauds prefer Republicans in power. Yes. Would they manipulate the price of oil if it helped them 110%. Believing that they wouldn't meddle in another government's politics is simply delusional.

Of the nations in that region, they are the most dangerous, moreso than Iran, moreso than Syria. Helped by America's ball cradling.
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Toonces wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:25 pm It isn't as if KSA is going to come right out and say that they'd manipulate oil prices to favor Republicans, so if you're expecting video evidence it's going to be difficult to provide it.

Now, is it something that the Saudis would do? Absolutely, undeniably. They've been playing the USA for the longest time but America tags right along so that there is cheap oil flowing, that the oil companies are turning a profit. Strangely, Saudi oil accounts for only 3% of what the US imports.

Saudi Arabia is a terrorist nation and has been for decades. Still, the US government looks the other way and sells them weapons so that, again, there is cheap oil because KSA has a stranglehold on OPEC. Republicans are decidedly more pro-Saudi Arabia than Democrats, and Democrats are still pro-Saudi Arabia.

Would the Sauds prefer Republicans in power. Yes. Would they manipulate the price of oil if it helped them 110%. Believing that they wouldn't meddle in another government's politics is simply delusional.

Of the nations in that region, they are the most dangerous, moreso than Iran, moreso than Syria. Helped by America's ball cradling.
And board cons deny this. They say no way, couldnt happen. This is one of the reasons why they are the enemy of America.

Ask the cons why they support the party that voted AGAINST preventing gas price gouging!
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Toonces wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:25 pm It isn't as if KSA is going to come right out and say that they'd manipulate oil prices to favor Republicans, so if you're expecting video evidence it's going to be difficult to provide it.

Now, is it something that the Saudis would do? Absolutely, undeniably. They've been playing the USA for the longest time but America tags right along so that there is cheap oil flowing, that the oil companies are turning a profit. Strangely, Saudi oil accounts for only 3% of what the US imports.

Saudi Arabia is a terrorist nation and has been for decades. Still, the US government looks the other way and sells them weapons so that, again, there is cheap oil because KSA has a stranglehold on OPEC. Republicans are decidedly more pro-Saudi Arabia than Democrats, and Democrats are still pro-Saudi Arabia.

Would the Sauds prefer Republicans in power. Yes. Would they manipulate the price of oil if it helped them 110%. Believing that they wouldn't meddle in another government's politics is simply delusional.

Of the nations in that region, they are the most dangerous, moreso than Iran, moreso than Syria. Helped by America's ball cradling.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... et-its-oil
Russia is also the third-largest oil producer in the world, responsible for roughly 10% of the global output. And the U.S. is the largest consumer of oil. So is the U.S. as dependent on Russia for oil as Europe is for gas? Data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration tracks where the U.S. imports from the most.

Of the 7.86 million barrels per day the U.S. imported in 2020, the majority came from its North American neighbors: Canada, with 4.13 million barrels (52.5%), and Mexico, with 750,000 (9.6%). But imports coming from outside North America are significant. Russia, with 540,000 barrels a day (6.6%), was the top non-continental contributor. Roughly 11% of the imports came collectively from OPEC countries, including 520,000 from Saudi Arabia.
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Seems to me the Biden administration needs to reverse the Obama administration's policy on allowing US Oil and gas exports
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:57 pm Seems to me the Biden administration needs to reverse the Obama administration's policy on allowing US Oil and gas exports
The horses have left the barn and the barn has been dismantled for fuel.

It'll never happen. It was a huge windfall for the oil companies. They now get to sell at market prices. A taste of that sweet, sweet profit. Though it was inevitable that it would happen. Surely as elected officials get money from oil companies, they'll never support capping exports.

Even if there were a cap on exports, the reduction in the prices of gas wouldn't be significant. The oil companies already artificially keep their production in check because, as we know, supply dictates prices. There are no production shortfalls, gas is readily available. Why would they increase production which would lower prices? More drilling? Why? More refining? Spend money to lower prices? Why would they do that?

Of course, the government could force them to make it more affordable but that's what socialists would do! Nationalize petroleum? Like Venezuela did?

I mean, it's gotten so bad that even YOU are suggesting that the government step in and add more regulation and less capitalism in the oil industry.

What cheaper gas? Use less. It's that simple. And, realistically, the only answer. I mean, COVID taught us that, didn't it? We reached a point where they were paying people to take oil. It would have been an awesome investment if I had somewhere to store it. Electric cars, hydrogen cars, and those things can lower oil prices, to a certain point. Mostly, alternatively powered car means that countries like KSA have less influence on policy. That's how you get true energy independence.

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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:57 pm Seems to me the Biden administration needs to reverse the Obama administration's policy on allowing US Oil and gas exports
So the GOP House will introduce that? Yes or no?
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The problem is there is a difference between the kind of oil the U.S. exports, and what kind of oil it imports to use and refine into gasoline.

In reality, we tend to export the stuff that is harder to refine, figuring, let other countries do it. What we're importing is the stuff that is easier to refine, we don't make enough, or we would be totally self sufficient.

There's more to this story than the price of oil. There's the Saudis financing political parties, candidates, and even radical Islamist organizations, with dark money. That's another kind of interference, and they do it.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:16 am So the GOP House will introduce that? Yes or no?
I do not know but, I do know the liberals will never allow the democratic party to introduce it.
The left is loving high oil prices as they hope it will make the new green deal not so expensive
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ProfX wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 am The problem is there is a difference between the kind of oil the U.S. exports, and what kind of oil it imports to use and refine into gasoline.

In reality, we tend to export the stuff that is harder to refine, figuring, let other countries do it. What we're importing is the stuff that is easier to refine, we don't make enough, or we would be totally self sufficient.

There's more to this story than the price of oil. There's the Saudis financing political parties, candidates, and even radical Islamist organizations, with dark money. That's another kind of interference, and they do it.
https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-iss ... export-oil

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It's true I expressed the problem in the opposite way :D , but the bottom line is our refining capacity isn't a perfect fit for what we can obtain domestically....

America Produces Enough Oil to Meet Its Needs, So Why Do We Import Crude?
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/america ... port-crude

Reducing or ending oil exports isn't the problem and wouldn't make us more self sufficient, is the bottom line. Moving on...

Not the Saudis, but they are kinda right next door.

US intelligence report shows UAE efforts to meddle in American political system: Washington Post
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... gton-post/

A classified U.S. intelligence report states that the United Arab Emirates (UAE), a close ally of the United States in the Middle East, has engaged in an extensive effort to influence U.S. political decisions.

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The report found that the UAE worked throughout multiple administrations to take advantage of vulnerabilities in the U.S. government, including a reliance on campaign contributions, its predisposition to lobbying firms and lax enforcement of disclosure laws that are designed to prevent foreign interference in U.S. affairs.

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The UAE has spent more than $150 million on lobbying since 2016 and hundreds of millions more on donations to U.S. universities and think tanks, many of which create papers that support the UAE’s interests.

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Another example of the UAE’s influence campaign includes hiring three former U.S. intelligence and military officials to help the UAE conduct surveillance on dissidents, politicians, journalists and American companies. All three officials admitted to providing sophisticated hacking technology to the UAE in court last year, the Post reported.

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Archived so some users won't run into NYT paywall.

From NYT:
Documents Detail Foreign Government Spending at Trump Hotel
Six nations spent lavishly at the hotel during periods when they were seeking to influence the Trump administration, according to a breakdown released by the House Oversight Committee.
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WASHINGTON — Officials from six nations spent more than $750,000 at former President Donald J. Trump’s hotel in Washington when they were seeking to influence his administration, renting rooms for more than $10,000 per night, according to documents that his former accounting firm turned over to Congress.

The governments of Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China spent more money than previously known at the Trump International Hotel at crucial times in 2017 and 2018 for those countries’ relations with the United States, according to the documents, which were obtained by the House Oversight Committee and released on Monday.

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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:09 pm I do not know but, I do know the liberals will never allow the democratic party to introduce it.
The left is loving high oil prices as they hope it will make the new green deal not so expensive
What bullshit. It's the right that loves the high prices because that means corporate profits are up, and the right doesn't really give a shit about you or me, Glenn. They only complain about prices during elections, and then it's just to blame the Dems.

The GOP has no solutions to offer for inflation. Neither do you.
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gounion wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:36 am What bullshit. It's the right that loves the high prices because that means corporate profits are up, and the right doesn't really give a shit about you or me, Glenn. They only complain about prices during elections, and then it's just to blame the Dems.

The GOP has no solutions to offer for inflation. Neither do you.
Joe Biden's war on oil is the main contributing factor to our energy crisis.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 am ... war on oil ...
More mindless, braindead parroting of propagandistic slogans.

Aren't conservatives capable of coming up with your own ideas?
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