Oh my GOD ... Judge: Tulsa Race Massacre victims' descendants can't sue

[Drak]

No having a real conversation when you have assholes like CJ doing what assholes do on this or any other subject
CJ has done more to ruin and destroy this board than all others combined.

No, Carmen has not ruined and destroyed this board. Carmen provides intelligent insight and lots of information to this board. You just can't handle it.

[Libertas]

No, Carmen has not ruined and destroyed this board. Carmen provides intelligent insight and lots of information to this board. You just can't handle it.

CJ is one of only a handful of reasons to even bother being here, and the comment you are responding to is how we know she is being effective.

I dont think board con wants you or me or CJ to be shot dead or imprisoned for the crime of being Democrats, but the people he votes for do and when that happens, and it will to some of us somewhere eventually, he will do nothing.

[gounion]

No double standard on your part nosiree

In fact I twice tried to have a conversation on this thread.
But our resident racist shut it down with her usual lazy response

You don't want to converse. You want to deflect, to something that has NOTHING to do with Tulsa. Apples and oranges.

[carmenjonze]

This thread was about reparations for the survivors and descendants of the massacre

You tried to make it into some confederate b.s. about your supposed friends, and $10-15 trillion dollars, and the Catawba Tribe.

You take the subject of Tulsa off-topic, every time. This time was no exception.

FOH.

[Libertas]

You tried to make it into some confederate b.s. about your supposed friends, and $10-15 trillion dollars, and the Catawba Tribe.

You take the subject of Tulsa off-topic, every time. This time was no exception.

FOH.

Had to google that one, but "fuck outta here" is appropriate.

Con should be celebrating today, the Koch/GOP and Sinema attack on America worked again today on the inflation bill. It passed but only AFTER the fascists protected billionaires, AGAIN!

[carmenjonze]

No double standard on your part nosiree

In fact I twice tried to have a conversation on this thread.

You tried twice to change the subject to something else.

This is the sociopathic level of disrespect white conservatives like you have for this topic, and the millions of people who have suffered under white-conservative rule, like the people of Tulsa still living who endured a mass-murder 100 years ago.

[carmenjonze]

But our resident racist shut it down with her usual lazy response

what a stupid, whiny statement.

Only in the inverted, socially-perverse world of white conservatism can a discussion of the actual thread topic be seen as shutting it down.

If you feel shut down because you're too illiterate to come up with an adequate response to these historic pictures and articles, there is help for you. Try self-education. There are literally thousands of online courses at places like edX and Coursera and Khan Academy that can help you out of your abysmally ignorant state. All you have to do is take them.

Since you seem deliberately confused about what actual racism is, there are plenty of examples of literal racism from the conservative whites of Tulsa 1921 in every thread that's been posted on this topic on this board.

Here are some more really good ones from the top Tulsa and other newspapers, from the Library of Congress. Tulsa Race Massacre: Newspaper Complicity and Coverage


Propaganda from the Tulsa World egging on stupid white-conservative males with a different kind of inadequacy complex


This editorial also contains the general press coverage that became the norm: the presence of armed Black men who arrived at the courthouse to prevent the lynching of Dick Rowland were to blame for setting off the white crowd and leading to the enraged destruction of Greenwood.


You conservative whites, including yourself, still regularly trot out these same exact negro crime stereotypes from 100 years ago and beyond to justify your anti-Black and anti-minority policies.


From the Chicago Whip, a Black newspaper https://blogs.loc.gov/headlinesandheroe ... o-Whip.jpg. Turns out he was innocent, imagine my shock.


And the end result of all this carnage by another conservative white lynchmob, already been posted in this thread:

[Glennfs]

You tried twice to change the subject to something else.

This is the sociopathic level of disrespect white conservatives like you have for this topic, and the millions of people who have suffered under white-conservative rule, like the people of Tulsa still living who endured a mass-murder 100 years ago.

So talking about reparations on a thread about reparations is an attempt to derail the thread.

[gounion]

So talking about reparations on a thread about reparations is an attempt to derail the thread.

You weren't talking about reparations. You were talking about two people and saying one would take land from the other (never mind that it was stolen in the first place, that's all right). Reparations are from the government.

[carmenjonze]

So talking about reparations on a thread about reparations is an attempt to derail the thread.

Attempting to derail the thread to reflect your personal confederate handwringing is attempting to derail the thread, yes.

It's almost hilarious that you consider it "racist" to show what these literal, actual racists did, and equate this event with discussions on a tiny messageboard.

This oversensitive snowflake mentality is right in line with theirs, people who would burn down a whole section of town because somebody said the word "rape."

The thread is not about your hypothetical friends, or the Catawba tribe, or any of these generalized, off-topic white-conservative anxieties about reparations. It's about a specific case in Tulsa regarding survivors of one of you guys' hundreds of race-massacres of the era.

This is what actual, literal racists of that city did.


Photograph of a white male armed with a shotgun guarding the body of an African-American male on the open bed of an Oil Well Supply Co. truck during the Tulsa Race Massacre, June 1921.
Tulsa Race Massacre hosted by The Gateway to Oklahoma History


Photograph of National Guard troops escorting unarmed African-American men after the Tulsa Race Massacre, June, 1921.
Tulsa Race Massacre hosted by The Gateway to Oklahoma History


Photograph of tent home after the Tulsa Race Massacre, June 1, 1921.
Tulsa Race Massacre hosted by The Gateway to Oklahoma History


Reports of turpentine balls dropped from airplanes
Tulsa Public Library Digital Collections

Hey, how's that derailing attempt working for you, by the way?

[carmenjonze]

You weren't talking about reparations. You were talking about two people and saying one would take land from the other (never mind that it was stolen in the first place, that's all right). Reparations are from the government.

The very existence of "colored sections" of cities and towns all over the country, like North Tulsa and the Greenwood District, were also from the government.

That's all "states rights" is, to these conservative whites. The "rights" to subjugate nonwhites and everyone else in their path, using the power of government.

Those parts of town functioned as sitting ducks for these murderous vigilantes.

[Glennfs]

The very existence of "colored sections" of cities and towns all over the country, like North Tulsa and the Greenwood District, were also from the government.

That's all "states rights" is, to these conservative whites. The "rights" to subjugate nonwhites and everyone else in their path, using the power of government.

Those parts of town functioned as sitting ducks for these murderous vigilantes.

Yes and that was a terrible part of our country's history. Which is why a discussion about what if anything can be done 100 years after the fact would have been very interesting.

[gounion]

Yes and that was a terrible part of our country's history. Which is why a discussion about what if anything can be done 100 years after the fact would have been very interesting.

But you won't discuss it. You deflect with whataboutism. Because you don't want ANYTHING to be done, right?

[Glennfs]

But you won't discuss it. You deflect with whataboutism. Because you don't want ANYTHING to be done, right?

Bullshit I did nothing of the sort. It is you people on tug he left which cannot have an honest discussion about reparations on any level.

[carmenjonze]

Yes and that was a terrible part of our country's history. Which is why a discussion about what if anything can be done 100 years after the fact would have been very interesting.

The subject is about reparations for Tulsa Race Massacre survivors and their descendants, discussions of which have been happening literally for decades.

You didn't even read the OP. We're not letting you derail this thread, Glennfs.

[carmenjonze]

Bullshit I did nothing of the sort. It is you people on tug he left which cannot have an honest discussion about reparations on any level.

The topic is reparations specifically for the Tulsa Race Massacre survivors + descendants.

Your inability to discuss this topic is due to your cultures' own dishonesty about the amoral way you guys treat others, and how you get the law and law enforcement to back you up.

[gounion]

Bullshit I did nothing of the sort. It is you people on tug he left which cannot have an honest discussion about reparations on any level.

Yes you did. You haven't discussed Tulsa YET. You tried to deflect with another scenario that has nothing to do with reparations from the government that caused the bloodshed and theft.

So why do you still run away from Tulsa?

[Glennfs]

Yes you did. You haven't discussed Tulsa YET. You tried to deflect with another scenario that has nothing to do with reparations from the government that caused the bloodshed and theft.

So why do you still run away from Tulsa?

I just spent 15 minutes writing a response then accidentally deleted it. I hope to try again probably later.
I am getting my oil changed in the freightliner then have trucking work to take care of.

[gounion]

I just spent 15 minutes writing a response then accidentally deleted it. I hope to try again probably later.
I am getting my oil changed in the freightliner then have trucking work to take care of.

We'll wait and see if you actually want to address Tulsa without trying to change the debate to something else.

[Glennfs]

The topic is reparations specifically for the Tulsa Race Massacre survivors + descendants.

Your inability to discuss this topic is due to your cultures' own dishonesty about the amoral way you guys treat others, and how you get the law and law enforcement to back you up.

Ok let's talk about Tulsa. There has to be close to 50 000 descendants. So do they all receive the same amount. Or does the family who owned the hotel receive more than the family who was porter in the hotel.

Do they receive the value of the property when stolen or current value or the value then plus compound interest.

How about had there been an oil well on one of the parcels. Do they receive the millions if not billions of revenue it produced. Again would that windfall get distributed among all or just family members who owned that particular parcel.

Then who pays? Nobody alive today had anything to do with what happened. Most of their ancestors ditto.

So there is the question of why should people today pay for crimes they had nothing to do with.
How about the government? Would it be city, county, state or federal.
More later they just finished my truck

[carmenjonze]

Ok let's talk about Tulsa.

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JFC...

[Glennfs]

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I just wrote a long message about Tulsa twice.
On let's play your way. Tulsa was horrible should have never happened and those involved were despicable people.

Not much of a discussion but, evidently that is the only discussion you want to have.

[carmenjonze]

I just wrote a long message about Tulsa twice.
On let's play your way. Tulsa was horrible should have never happened and those involved were despicable people.

Not much of a discussion but, evidently that is the only discussion you want to have.

You haven't even read the OP.

[carmenjonze]

Hey Glennfs, the reason I don't bother trying to have a rational converstaion about Tulsa 1921 with you is because you don't read, so you can't learn.

You haven't read any of the studies about Tulsa reparations dating back to as far as 2001. You haven't read the Human Rights Watch case for reparations for Tulsa from 2020.

You haven't even read the link in the OP. I can tell, because the stupid questions you're asking are already addressed in the story.

Consequently, you learn nothing, so you understand nothing.

And now I'm supposed to waste my time in some discussion with a person FREAKNG TF OUT about either general reparations or Tulsa reparations, as you always do when Tulsa is brought up. Lol all you have go on are your confederate kneejerk emotions. The white supremacism of it all...

[carmenjonze]

More later they just finished my truck

You will abandon this thread like you abaondon every other thread when challenged.