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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:16 am Then why didn't Ralph Norman, Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott introduce a bill making Gay Marriage the law of the land?

Oh, right, they even voted "NAY" on this bill!
That’s why he votes for them and then runs over here in confusion to proclaim what a supporter of gay rights he is. :?
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carmenjonze wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:29 am That’s why he votes for them and then runs over here in confusion to proclaim what a supporter of gay rights he is. :?
All three of them are that way. Glenn, Joe and GreenGrass.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:35 am All three of them are that way. Glenn, Joe and GreenGrass.
They are. This is why I reject their supposed "support" at every turn.

It's the kind of support that assissts you onto a train to Poland or helps you board a boat down the river.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:27 am Yes it was a long slog, but according to polling it switched quickly in the 2000’s to 2010’s. I think the big thing was when celebs then regular people started coming out, and people realized it was members of their own family were gay. I mean, when Dick Cheney’s daughter comes out gay, it can happen to anyone!
Yes that in itself began in the 1950s with Harry Hay and the Mattachine and so-called homophile societies. By the late 80s with that asshole Reagan, AIDS activism, and 20 years of major Civil Rights legislation, coming out became part of a deliberate political strategy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coming_Out_Day

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And then we got Don't Ask Don't Tell from Clinton and the DLC, and DOMA in 1996. :problem:

Talk about a long slog! And there have been ups and downs, progresses and backlash. The backlash has been both secular and religious.
I think those with the courage to come out made all the difference.
Yes people forget that a man putting on a dress or a woman in pants was illegal for that reason alone, in every part of the country including the big cities like here and New York. That's why the Stonewall and Compton's Cafeteria rebellions happened in the first place. It wasn't against the clergy, it was against the cops.

That's to say nothing about actually pursuing samesex relationships. The federal government targeted you and banned you from military and civil service, there were nationwide political campaigns like Anita Bryant's, there was extremist, violent cultural backlash to disco and visibly gay groups like the Village People.

It's still very physically dangerous to come out, even in this era and even in this city. Social conservatism is a vicious ideology, and social conservatives are very violent people.

It's not stopping us, though. F. them.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:35 am All three of them are that way. Glenn, Joe and GreenGrass.
No I don't generally vote for democrats because 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism

I was wrong and apologize it isn't 54pct it is 57pct

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/dem ... alism.aspx
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am No I don't generally vote for democrats because 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism
Don't ever vote for Democrats.

What you label support is a knee on the neck.

No one needs a knee on the neck.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism
Link?
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am
By the way, this is why the last thing queer and trans people need is the confused, so-called support from Family Research Council dupes like you.

We have had clergy on our side countering you reactionary social cons since the 1960s.

I made a passing mention of the Council on Religion and the Homosexual (1963) in this post. http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 832#p31832
On December 31, 1964, the Council on Religion and the Homosexual held a costume party at California Hall...to raise money for the new organization. When the ministers informed the San Francisco Police Department of their intentions, the SFPD attempted to force the rented hall's owners to cancel the event. After a further meeting between the ministers and police, which resulted in an agreement not to interfere with the dance, guests arrived to find police snapping pictures of each of them as they entered and left, in a blatant attempt to intimidate....

Read more at Wikipedia.
This Council was designed to combat the antigay conservatism that corrupts most Christian denominations.

Council on Religion and the Homosexual Collection - Online Archive of California
In the early 1960s, as social change accelerated across the U.S., progressive clergymen increasingly took to the streets to minister to marginalized persons. The Rev. Ted McIlvenna, who worked for the Glide Urban Center, a private Methodist foundation in downtown San Francisco, witnessed the oppression and violence homosexuals faced, and to improve the situation sought a dialogue between clergy and homosexuals. With the support of the Methodist church, McIlvenna convened the Mill Valley Conference from May 31 to June 2, 1964, at which sixteen Methodist, Protestant Episcopal, United Church of Christ, and Lutheran clergymen met with thirteen leaders of the homosexual community.

Following the initial meeting, the participants began plans for a new organization that would educate religious communities about gay and lesbian issues as well as enlist religious leaders to advocate for homosexual concerns. In July 1964, the participants, along with several other clergymen and homosexual activists, met and formed the Council on Religion and the Homosexual (CRH), which was incorporated in December of that year. The CRH was the first group in the U.S. to use the word "homosexual" in its name. This coalition of clergy-almost all heterosexual-and homosexual leaders proved to be mutually beneficial: homosexual leaders received the "cloak of the cloth" to sanction their activities, while clergy expanded their sphere of social justice ministry.
Your rep is a regular guest on the Family Research Council/Tony Perkins show. The FRC is one of the most virulent anti-LGBTQ groups in the country and has been since the Reagan era.

My rep is Speaker of the House.
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How come you don't even read your own links? Is it because you're only partially literate and don't know how to read?

Or is it just that you're a dishonest person who is antigay and votes accordingly for the most antigay politicians in the country.

Is it both?
It's possible that the drop in Democrats' positive views of capitalism is related to Donald Trump's presidency. Trump is an enthusiastic capitalist, and his administration's efforts to roll back regulations on business and industry, as well as the tax cut law that is advantageous to businesses and corporations, may have caused Democrats to view the entire capitalist enterprise with less positive eyes.

The talk about the Democratic Party moving more toward socialist policies in its platforms in this year's midterm elections was muted with the failure of several socialist candidates to capture their party's nomination in recent primary voting. And, although a majority -- even if not an overwhelming one -- of Democrats nationwide react positively to the word "socialism," the strong antipathy toward socialism among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents suggests a political campaign favorable to socialism would not play well in a general election.

Socialism as a concept is open to many interpretations. Gallup was describing socialism in questions asked in the 1940s in terms of government ownership of businesses -- something that Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez and most other left-leaning Democratic candidates have not advocated. Instead, socialism today seems to embody sets of programs by which the government helps regulate and in some instances run and pay for social programs focused on basic population needs in health, education, housing and employment.
As ever, commiebaiting is a ruse white conservatives use to attack civil rights movements.

Your commiebaiting in this thread is right in line with this old Cold War relic. This isn't 1972 anynore.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am No I don't generally vote for democrats because 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism

I was wrong and apologize it isn't 54pct it is 57pct

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/dem ... alism.aspx
Gallup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Second only to Rassmussen for being untrustworthy.
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gounion wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:28 am Gallup. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Second only to Rassmussen for being untrustworthy.
Lol Glennfs is incapable of a reasoned conversation about the Respect for Marriage act. So it's a LOT easier to throw shadows on the wall about communismsocialism than discuss why he and his favorite Republican bigots are actively trying to force us back into second-class citizenship.
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He’s never been able to talk issues.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am No I don't generally vote for democrats because 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism

I was wrong and apologize it isn't 54pct it is 57pct

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/dem ... alism.aspx
Deflecting from the topic of this thread because you can't support your comments. Stay on topic.
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Glennfs has abaondoned the thread.
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So we’re back to calling Dems socialists?

Liberals are pro capitalism. They’re also for social policy. That’s how healthy democracies work.

Conservatives are pro price gouging and corporate greed. Vote for that if you like that sort of thing. And the MAGA extremists who now run the party are not pro American capitalists. They want a system similar to Russia. Vote for that, if that’s your bag.

I’m pro democracy though. I’m not interested in sedition and treason. Capitalism means jack shit if Trump MAGA wins.

Sorry, back on topic.
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Drak wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:19 am So we’re back to calling Dems socialists?

Liberals are pro capitalism. They’re also for social policy. That’s how healthy democracies work.

Conservatives are pro price gouging and corporate greed. Vote for that if you like that sort of thing. And the MAGA extremists who now run the party are not pro American capitalists. They want a system similar to Russia. Vote for that, if that’s your bag.

I’m pro democracy though. I’m not interested in sedition and treason. Capitalism means jack shit if Trump MAGA wins.

Sorry, back on topic.
Con is either an idiot or a troll, liar. There are no socialists in the party. If he still believes this, I almost feel sorry for him.

What else does he believe? All Gay people molest? All Black people are criminals?
I sigh in your general direction.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:21 am All Gay people molest?
That's what they believe.
All Black people are criminals?
That's what they believe.

They also believe they as the aggressors are somehow the perpetual victims. They use this to rationalize all of their mass murder, mass discrimination, and Paul Pelosi getting his brains bashed in.
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carmenjonze wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:29 am That's what they believe.



That's what they believe.

They also believe they as the aggressors are somehow the perpetual victims. They use this to rationalize all of their mass murder, mass discrimination, and Paul Pelosi getting his brains bashed in.
Nancy just stepped aside, which is OK for her and the party, NOT because i dont love how great she is, but OK young blood etc.

But part of her reason is that the GOP wants to kill her, and she knows her security is now up to the scum that board cons vote for.

Whoever replaces her has a big role to fill, she was far more effective than anyone realizes.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:34 am Nancy just stepped aside, which is OK for her and the party, NOT because i dont love how great she is, but OK young blood etc.

But part of her reason is that the GOP wants to kill her, and she knows her security is now up to the scum that board cons vote for.

Whoever replaces her has a big role to fill, she was far more effective than anyone realizes.
Nancy is a devout Catholic -- not sure about Paul. But she's always getting snagged by conservative Catholics and being targeted by this whackodoodle who heads up this diocese for her prochoice and pro-LGBTQ policies.

LGBTQ Catholic Organization Blasts Archbishop for Denying Nancy Pelosi Communion - Metro Weekly

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Same crap happens to Biden and a ton of other prochoice, pro-LGBTQ Catholics.

Eucharist denial to Catholic politicians over abortion - wiki
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carmenjonze wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:15 am Glennfs has abaondoned the thread.
BEEP! BEEP!
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Number6 wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:17 pmBEEP! BEEP!
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am No I don't generally vote for democrats because 54pct of the party prefers socialism over capitalism

I was wrong and apologize it isn't 54pct it is 57pct

https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/dem ... alism.aspx
What is socialism?

Until you can define it shut the fuck up. Hell, I bet Gallup can’t define it.

I have yet to see one fucking pierce of legislation from any Democratic politician or Bernie Sanders who you fucking love to trot out that proposes to nationalize ANY FUCKING INDUSTRY.

Do the world in general and the country in particular a favor, don’t vote any more. You don’t understand a damn thing.

Btw, when you retire? Don’t take social security or Medicare or you’ll be a socialist
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bird wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:28 pm What is socialism?

Until you can define it shut the fuck up. Hell, I bet Gallup can’t define it.

I have yet to see one fucking pierce of legislation from any Democratic politician or Bernie Sanders who you fucking love to trot out that proposes to nationalize ANY FUCKING INDUSTRY.

Do the world in general and the country in particular a favor, don’t vote any more. You don’t understand a damn thing.

Btw, when you retire? Don’t take social security or Medicare or you’ll be a socialist
He has no clue what actual socialism is. He's just doing his typical commie baiting, as per usual.
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Hell, even "socialist" countries like Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands have capitalistic economies! So are Communist Countries like China and Russia. The only country I can think of with a "Socialist" economy is North Korea, and while they are Trump's lover-from-afar, I can't stand them.

But Glenn can't deal with the issues at hand, so he reverts as always to name-calling.
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The only reason Glennfs pulled his stupid commiebaiting act is because he doesn’t know jack f. about LGBTQ-anything, except what the Heritage Foundation tells him to think.

That includes “gay marriage” and anything else related.

Never accept so-called support from supremacists who don’t even take the time to educate themselves on what they claim to support, and label you extremist for advocating your own issues on your own terms.

F. this WS.
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